# Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D: LMD - Season 4 thread (Open Spoilers for aired episodes) **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [January 12, 2017, 2:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-lmd-season-4-thread-open-spoilers-for-aired-episodes/776930 "2017-01-12T02:31:46Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![muldoonthief](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/muldoonthief/32/3188_2.png) [@muldoonthief](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/muldoonthief)\ **Post date:** [January 19, 2017, 1:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-lmd-season-4-thread-open-spoilers-for-aired-episodes/776930/21 "2017-01-19T13:22:36Z")
> [@AlsoNamedBort](#): > > I’m confused as to which Aida actually read the Darkhold. Head-Aida or Murder-Aida? Head-Aida. At the end of the previous episode, when Radcliffe was talking to Aida 2.0, she said something like “My predecessor had the Darkhold in her hands.” > [@levdrakon](#): > > Back when we saw AIDA 1.0 working on some sort of holographic brain, was that the May bot? Otherwise I can’t figure out how they got all of May’s memories. Surely Radcliff isn’t that good? He’s also created drugs that can create simulations for the captive May? Is he that good, or is it the Darkhold? I assume they got her memories from when she had been touched by one of the ghosts in the first half of the season, and Radcliffe and Fitz they were building a model of her mind to figure out how to cure her. Remember, when they decided to “reboot” her? I’ve got to say, I like this half of the season a lot better than the Ghost Rider stuff. ---
**Author:** ![Sir\_T-Cups](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ed655f/32.png) [@Sir\_T-Cups](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sir_T-Cups)\ **Post date:** [January 19, 2017, 2:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-lmd-season-4-thread-open-spoilers-for-aired-episodes/776930/22 "2017-01-19T14:49:08Z")
Just caught up on it last night. The first episode was one of the funnier ones in a good few seasons. I enjoyed how Mac and YoYo kept referencing movies since that was what I was doing during the mid-season break. I also can’t help but feel that having Radcliffe revealed as the big bad, as opposed to AIDA, is just a swerve until they reveal that AIDA actually IS sentient and wants to live and blah blah android trope. The only way I can see that not being godawful would be if she eventually joins SHIELD and you can use her as an R2D2 instant hacker/fish-out-of-water person. Kinda like Data from Star Trek. She can instantly look at security cameras to identify where a hostage is, but during the heist she asks a funny question about human nature. Actually, she’d be more like EDI from Mass Effect. I’m OK with the MACE reveal too, although I don’t understand why everyone’s so pissed. So he’s literally Captain America, only his medicine wasn’t one-time (or German). Who cares? Iron Man has a suit, Mace has drugs. Lastly please, please, please, PLEASE GOD NO COULSON MAY ROMANCE!! It has zero point, makes zero sense, and is going to be worse than the Daisy/Sparky romance. We love Fitz and Simmons, we love Mac and YoYo…just leave it at that!! ---
**Author:** ![Telemark](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/telemark/32/372_2.png) [@Telemark](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Telemark)\ **Post date:** [January 19, 2017, 4:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-lmd-season-4-thread-open-spoilers-for-aired-episodes/776930/23 "2017-01-19T16:58:02Z")
> [@Sir\_T-Cups](#): > > Lastly please, please, please, PLEASE GOD NO COULSON MAY ROMANCE!! It has zero point, makes zero sense, and is going to be worse than the Daisy/Sparky romance. We love Fitz and Simmons, we love Mac and YoYo…just leave it at that!! Preach it, Brother T-Cups! ---
**Author:** ![levdrakon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/49beb7/32.png) [@levdrakon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/levdrakon)\ **Post date:** [January 19, 2017, 9:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-lmd-season-4-thread-open-spoilers-for-aired-episodes/776930/24 "2017-01-19T21:46:27Z")
> [@muldoonthief](#): > > Head-Aida. At the end of the previous episode, when Radcliffe was talking to Aida 2.0, she said something like “My predecessor had the Darkhold in her hands.” > > I assume they got her memories from when she had been touched by one of the ghosts in the first half of the season, and Radcliffe and Fitz they were building a model of her mind to figure out how to cure her. Remember, when they decided to “reboot” her? > > I’ve got to say, I like this half of the season a lot better than the Ghost Rider stuff. Okay I guess. So what was the holographic brain for? ---
**Author:** ![RikWriter](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/49beb7/32.png) [@RikWriter](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RikWriter)\ **Post date:** [January 20, 2017, 6:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-lmd-season-4-thread-open-spoilers-for-aired-episodes/776930/25 "2017-01-20T18:05:33Z")
> [@levdrakon](#): > > Okay I guess. So what was the holographic brain for? The LMD for May. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [January 20, 2017, 7:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-lmd-season-4-thread-open-spoilers-for-aired-episodes/776930/26 "2017-01-20T19:09:25Z")
> [@Telemark](#): > > Or each time he’s killed and regenerated he comes back with a different power. It’s like a slot machine, who knows what you come up with. > ! Croyd/the Sleeper from Wild Cards book series does exactly this. Why is Coulson all of a sudden such a clueless dumbass? ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [January 20, 2017, 7:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-lmd-season-4-thread-open-spoilers-for-aired-episodes/776930/27 "2017-01-20T19:12:13Z")
> [@Half\_Man\_Half\_Wit](#): > > That was some masterful audience trolling by the writers. Set everything up as the lamest cliche ever, the creation turning against its creator, enjoy the ensuing internet groans (which I liberally participated in), then lampshade the hell out of it in the episode, only to pull out the rug under our feet—it’s the creator, not the creation, that’s turned evil. I haven’t enjoyed an episode of the series this much in quite some time. No, Aida did turn evil. And I wasnt surprised at all that Radcliffe would keep making them. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [January 20, 2017, 7:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-lmd-season-4-thread-open-spoilers-for-aired-episodes/776930/28 "2017-01-20T19:14:52Z")
> [@Telemark](#): > > The biggie - Mace isn’t an Inhuman; he’s enhanced by injections of a variant of the formula used by Daisy’s dad to give him strength without going all homicidal. But he needs steady injections to keep it up, otherwise he’s a just a schlub. This explains the secret that Simmons figured out he was keeping, and he never set out to be a hero. Talbot made him into one because he was ordered to make the Director of SHIELD an enhanced individual. So he lied (under orders) and comes off as a well meaning puppet who loved being adored but he seems to have his heart in the right place and his motivation was to do good things. I also feel like the actor is doing a great job playing Mace as a bit of a Boy Scout in over his head. But since Coulson and crew have lied their ass off to Mace many, many times, the fact that they seemed angry at him for keeping a secret seemed more than a tad hypocritical. ---
**Author:** ![Sir\_T-Cups](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ed655f/32.png) [@Sir\_T-Cups](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sir_T-Cups)\ **Post date:** [January 20, 2017, 7:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-lmd-season-4-thread-open-spoilers-for-aired-episodes/776930/29 "2017-01-20T19:14:53Z")
So what happened to Senator what’s-her-face’s brother? I got a little overzealous on the DVR remote, and remember seeing his body in the water, but did it do anything special after that? By the sounds of ya’ll talking it did, but I must have missed it. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [January 20, 2017, 7:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-lmd-season-4-thread-open-spoilers-for-aired-episodes/776930/30 "2017-01-20T19:15:55Z")
> [@Richard\_John\_Marcej](#): > > I agree. If they wrote her out of the show tomorrow I’d be very happy 🙂 From your lips to the showrunners ears!😃 ---
**Author:** ![AlsoNamedBort](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alsonamedbort/32/3213_2.png) [@AlsoNamedBort](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AlsoNamedBort)\ **Post date:** [January 20, 2017, 7:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-lmd-season-4-thread-open-spoilers-for-aired-episodes/776930/31 "2017-01-20T19:17:16Z")
> [@Sir\_T-Cups](#): > > So what happened to Senator what’s-her-face’s brother? > > I got a little overzealous on the DVR remote, and remember seeing his body in the water, but did it do anything special after that? By the sounds of ya’ll talking it did, but I must have missed it. He floated down to the bottom of the lake and then re-cocooned. ---
**Author:** ![muldoonthief](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/muldoonthief/32/3188_2.png) [@muldoonthief](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/muldoonthief)\ **Post date:** [January 20, 2017, 7:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-lmd-season-4-thread-open-spoilers-for-aired-episodes/776930/32 "2017-01-20T19:23:26Z")
> [@AlsoNamedBort](#): > > He floated down to the bottom of the lake and then re-cocooned. For alternate definitions of “floated”. ---
**Author:** ![Telemark](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/telemark/32/372_2.png) [@Telemark](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Telemark)\ **Post date:** [January 20, 2017, 8:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-lmd-season-4-thread-open-spoilers-for-aired-episodes/776930/33 "2017-01-20T20:33:14Z")
> [@muldoonthief](#): > > For alternate definitions of “floated”. It was actually a bit comical, the weight was pulling his body down but then the weight hit the ocean floor (making the rope go slack) and the body kept descending at the same speed. Although I guess you could say the weight was to keep the body on the bottom since I understand bodies tend to bloat and float. ---
**Author:** ![smiling\_bandit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e9a140/32.png) [@smiling\_bandit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/smiling_bandit)\ **Post date:** [January 20, 2017, 11:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-lmd-season-4-thread-open-spoilers-for-aired-episodes/776930/34 "2017-01-20T23:04:37Z")
> [@DrDeth](#): > > No, Aida did turn evil. And I wasnt surprised at all that Radcliffe would keep making them. It’s interesting that they aren’t downplaying how horrible the Darkhold is. Anyone who reads it seems to become obsessive, paranoid, and warped over time. It’s even more surprising because Radcliffe initially rejected it entirely and tried to avoid it. ---
**Author:** ![Telemark](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/telemark/32/372_2.png) [@Telemark](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Telemark)\ **Post date:** [January 21, 2017, 2:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-lmd-season-4-thread-open-spoilers-for-aired-episodes/776930/35 "2017-01-21T02:24:24Z")
> [@DrDeth](#): > > No, Aida did turn evil. I’d say that this is still unclear. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2017, 9:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-lmd-season-4-thread-open-spoilers-for-aired-episodes/776930/36 "2017-01-24T21:31:38Z")
So… _what_ was the plan, exactly? To kill Jeffrey Mace? To get the briefcase? ---
**Author:** ![Oakminster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/77aa72/32.png) [@Oakminster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Oakminster)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2017, 11:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-lmd-season-4-thread-open-spoilers-for-aired-episodes/776930/37 "2017-01-24T23:11:34Z")
> [@Bryan\_Ekers](#): > > So… _what_ was the plan, exactly? To kill Jeffrey Mace? To get the briefcase? I’m guessing they wanted the briefcase. Assuming they knew what it contained, they could make more super soldiers if they could analyze the formula ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2017, 12:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-lmd-season-4-thread-open-spoilers-for-aired-episodes/776930/38 "2017-01-25T00:04:32Z")
> [@Oakminster](#): > > I’m guessing they wanted the briefcase. Assuming they knew what it contained, they could make more super soldiers if they could analyze the formula It doesn’t really work, though. The bad guys _had_ the briefcase the minute the recovered the PR guy’s body and chopped off his hand. Why didn’t they get the heck outta there? The episode just strikes me as an excessively convoluted way to “out” Mace, and that vaguely annoys me since I kinda like Mace and in this episode he went from convincingly-competent director to semi-helpless bumbler. Does the serum increase his confidence/competence so that when he’s on it, he comes off as more commanding? Frankly, I was kind of hoping he’d get a rematch with Ghost Rider at some point and kick his ass. ---
**Author:** ![Telemark](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/telemark/32/372_2.png) [@Telemark](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Telemark)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2017, 3:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-lmd-season-4-thread-open-spoilers-for-aired-episodes/776930/39 "2017-01-25T15:26:33Z")
See, this is what I don’t like about LMDs; they turn storylines into Swiss cheese. If Maybot and Coulson start a relationship is it real since Maybot is essentially a rebooted May with all her thoughts and memories? How did Radcliffe learn how to program human emotions to make Maybot not want to tell the team what she’s learned or not to harm Radcliffe? Arghh, these convoluted storylines turn people off of comic books, it will do so here as well. Having said that, not an awful episode but not one of their best. I love Yo-Yo and Mack together, but the silly drama of baby Hope and the ex was pretty heavy handed. The team getting caught by Senator Nadir was just plain silly, and I don’t think we know yet who tipped her off, do we? Fitz said it couldn’t have been Aida 1.0’s activated head since she didn’t have access to that information. Is there still a mole? The fake out with May fighting and escaping from Aida 2.0 dream was well done. The resolution of May’s resistance by having her finally rescue the Inhuman girl in Bahrain is too trite and cutesy for me. I didn’t buy that it would be the driving force behind May’s attitude. The Radcliffe LMD was a nice little twist, but it’s exactly what I hate about LMDs. You’d think a simple metal detector (don’t all bases have them) would solve the problem. I thought the scene with Daisy and Mace went well; I like his character more and more. But not having answers for the senator’s questions isn’t very believable. How could they not prepare for that line of questions? I liked the mid-episode fake out of having us second guess who was additional LMD even if I didn’t like the resolution. Every scene had the audience looking for clues. I assume that Radcliffe was the only other LMD and now he’s gone. Senator Nadir and her whole storyline isn’t working for me. I hope that improves or at least progresses when we learn who “The Superior” is. We had “The Clairvoyant” back in season 1, do we really need this now? Not many fun lines in this episode although Coulson said something funny about broccoli at some point. ---
**Author:** ![Dante\_G](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/977dab/32.png) [@Dante\_G](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dante_G)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2017, 3:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-lmd-season-4-thread-open-spoilers-for-aired-episodes/776930/40 "2017-01-25T15:37:30Z")
Not too bad of an episode. I will say that the preview for next week has me excited. Glad to see the Lanyard Lynch Mob coming back. Missed him(them). [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-lmd-season-4-thread-open-spoilers-for-aired-episodes/776930.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-lmd-season-4-thread-open-spoilers-for-aired-episodes/776930.md?page=3)