# Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D: LMD - Season 4 thread (Open Spoilers for aired episodes) **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [January 12, 2017, 2:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-lmd-season-4-thread-open-spoilers-for-aired-episodes/776930 "2017-01-12T02:31:46Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 7
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2017, 12:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-lmd-season-4-thread-open-spoilers-for-aired-episodes/776930/121 "2017-03-10T00:15:59Z")
> [@MrAtoz](#): > > Of course, I’ve always been a little fuzzy on the exact manufacturing process of the LMDs. Well, when a Mommy LMD and a Daddy LMD love each other _very much_… ---
**Author:** ![gonzoron](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/a6a055/32.png) [@gonzoron](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gonzoron)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2017, 1:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-lmd-season-4-thread-open-spoilers-for-aired-episodes/776930/122 "2017-03-10T01:16:59Z")
> [@levdrakon](#): > > Yeah. Building one would be a feat, and I can see building a couple more with the help of the Darkhold, but a platoon of Daisies? Well, once you’ve got the mold made… ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2017, 2:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-lmd-season-4-thread-open-spoilers-for-aired-episodes/776930/123 "2017-03-10T02:01:53Z")
Conveniently, she makes very predictable choices in underwear. The sports bra especially is useful when one wants to push up Daisies. ---
**Author:** ![Richard\_John\_Marcej](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/5f9b8f/32.png) [@Richard\_John\_Marcej](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Richard_John_Marcej)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2017, 2:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-lmd-season-4-thread-open-spoilers-for-aired-episodes/776930/124 "2017-03-10T02:08:30Z")
> [@MrAtoz](#): > > So that they could show us a whole roomful of Chloe Bennett in her underwear? Otherwise I got nothing. An equally good question is how did they build so many Daisy LMDs so quickly, and how did they get them in there without anyone noticing? Of course, I’ve always been a little fuzzy on the exact manufacturing process of the LMDs. > > On the other hand, it did lead to someone on [Previously.tv](http://Previously.tv) referring to that scene as “a field of Daisies,” which is a pretty good joke, so maybe it was worth it. 🙂 Put them all together, in a line, and we have a Daisy Chain ---
**Author:** ![tracer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tracer/32/20578_2.png) [@tracer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tracer)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2017, 8:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-lmd-season-4-thread-open-spoilers-for-aired-episodes/776930/125 "2017-03-10T20:36:17Z")
Here’s what I don’t understand: They’ve established that they can make almost-perfect duplicates of a person’s brain, and put them inside a robotic body. Yet in “the Framework”, they CAN’T make a copy of a person’s brain, and the brain has to be “plugged in” to the virtual reality instead – in such a way that it kills them if they unplug too fast. Why put living people in the Matrix – excuse me, the _Framework_ – at all? Why not just **COPY** their brain pattern into it? ---
**Author:** ![tracer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tracer/32/20578_2.png) [@tracer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tracer)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2017, 8:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-lmd-season-4-thread-open-spoilers-for-aired-episodes/776930/126 "2017-03-10T20:37:30Z")
> [@Richard\_John\_Marcej](#): > > Put them all together, in a line, and we have a Daisy Chain Put 'em in a circle and give 'em an ink ribbon, and you’d have a Daisy Wheel printer. ---
**Author:** ![Telemark](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/telemark/32/372_2.png) [@Telemark](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Telemark)\ **Post date:** [March 22, 2017, 7:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-lmd-season-4-thread-open-spoilers-for-aired-episodes/776930/127 "2017-03-22T19:50:05Z")
> **['Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D.': Brett Dalton Returns in New Photos](https://ew.com/tv/2017/03/21/agents-shield-brett-dalton-return-photos/)** > > Check out a first look at the actor's return. Two weeks to the next episode. Looks like Ward is a Hydra agent in the Framework, and I like Fitz’ new style. ---
**Author:** ![muldoonthief](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/muldoonthief/32/3188_2.png) [@muldoonthief](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/muldoonthief)\ **Post date:** [April 5, 2017, 1:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-lmd-season-4-thread-open-spoilers-for-aired-episodes/776930/128 "2017-04-05T13:06:54Z")
Anyone else see last night’s episode. I liked it a lot. It was interesting that Daisy got sucked into the simulation being real almost immediately, while Jemma was just marveling at how good a simulation it was until she had to run for her life. Great reverse heel-turn for Ward, and hilarious that Jemma was still pissed at him for betraying Hydra(!). I liked the callback to Tahiti & Phil’s “All work and no play” notebook. Was the Inhuman they were interrogating Senator Nadeer’s brother? Some fanwanking: the two big divergence points are that Phil never joined SHIELD, and May saved the girl in Bahrain. So no Phil possibly equals no Iron Man & no Thor and therefore no Avengers, while May’s change meant that Hydra was able to take over SHIELD earlier even than Winter Soldier. Does that sound right? Did we ever get a date for the Bahrain mission - if it preceded Iron Man, then Stark may have gotten taken out by Hydra before he even went to Afghanistan. ---
**Author:** ![MrAtoz](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@MrAtoz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrAtoz)\ **Post date:** [April 5, 2017, 1:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-lmd-season-4-thread-open-spoilers-for-aired-episodes/776930/129 "2017-04-05T13:22:34Z")
> [@muldoonthief](#): > > Some fanwanking: the two big divergence points are that Phil never joined SHIELD, and May saved the girl in Bahrain. So no Phil possibly equals no Iron Man & no Thor and therefore no Avengers, while May’s change meant that Hydra was able to take over SHIELD earlier even than Winter Soldier. Does that sound right? Did we ever get a date for the Bahrain mission - if it preceded Iron Man, then Stark may have gotten taken out by Hydra before he even went to Afghanistan. Does it work like that? I mean, this isn’t an alternate universe or anything–it’s a false reality that Radcliffe and Aida created. I would think that they could arrange it however they wanted it to be, without having to worry about “What changed to make it that way?” Which led to my question, why is Daisy called Skye in the Framework? Neither Aida nor Radcliffe ever knew Daisy when she went by “Skye,” so why should they give the Framework version of her that name? Did Elizabeth Henstridge have a cold while they were filming? Her voice sounded hoarse throughout the episode. I thought this was a pretty good start to the new arc (whose title, I guess, is “Agents of Hydra” :)). I loved the little touches like Ward still being a traitor, only this time that makes him a good guy, and Coulson’s having been implanted with false memories once before being the way the Jemma and Daisy get him to remember. ---
**Author:** ![muldoonthief](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/muldoonthief/32/3188_2.png) [@muldoonthief](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/muldoonthief)\ **Post date:** [April 5, 2017, 1:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-lmd-season-4-thread-open-spoilers-for-aired-episodes/776930/130 "2017-04-05T13:38:29Z")
From the last few episodes before the break - Aida hoovered up Phil’s, May’s, Mac’s, Fitz’s and Mace’s memories and found their greatest regrets - this is also how she could have learned Skye’s name. She then rebuilt the Framework changing all their regrets around but leaving everything else alone, and letting things fall where they may. So every other change we see should be as a result of the modified regrets - basically a butterfly effect situation. I wonder if Fitz’s regret was that he was never able to satisfy his (apparently evil) father - so he had to be become evil to satisfy him. Alternately, the Darkhold is leading her to make the Framework as evil as possible. I think Jemma’s hoarse voice was because she had been dead. That’s why she had the pale/zombie makeup too. ---
**Author:** ![Telemark](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/telemark/32/372_2.png) [@Telemark](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Telemark)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2017, 12:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-lmd-season-4-thread-open-spoilers-for-aired-episodes/776930/131 "2017-04-07T00:03:33Z")
Good episode, I really liked it. Marvel’s Agents of Hydra was a nice touch. I figured Ward was the mole almost immediately, right before he punched Nadeer’s brother. It made perfect sense, I can’t wait until Daisy finds him more attractive now that he’s working on the side of “good”. At first I thought Radcliffe was “the Doctor” but it makes much better sense to have it be Fitz. I’m not thrilled that Aida is in the Matrix, um, I mean Framework, taking an active role. It would be better without her interfering, but from earlier it was clear that she kept having to tweek things. Coulson’s memory was nicely handled, although I wish it was spread over a few more episodes. We haven’t seen Mack at all, I suppose he’s living a quiet suburban life. May is the most interesting character, should be fun to watch them crack her shell. ---
**Author:** ![Dendarii\_Dame](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/bbce88/32.png) [@Dendarii\_Dame](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dendarii_Dame)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2017, 12:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-lmd-season-4-thread-open-spoilers-for-aired-episodes/776930/132 "2017-04-07T00:14:12Z")
The Hydra logo reminds me of an octopus. The “cut off one head, two will grow” thing is from a Greek myth–one of the labors of Heracles–and the heads were on top of tentacles, trying to bite /breathe poison. ---
**Author:** ![D\_Odds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/d_odds/32/2882_2.png) [@D\_Odds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/D_Odds)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2017, 12:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-lmd-season-4-thread-open-spoilers-for-aired-episodes/776930/133 "2017-04-07T00:43:10Z")
Daisy/Skye and Jemma were horrible at being spies during this episode. Captain Kirk did a better job of blending in _Mirror, Mirror_. Especially Daisy, who should be trained better. Just keep telling oneself “It’s just a simulation” and do what needs to be done! Instead, she was screwing up from start. Too many damn characters on too many damn shows have to behave far too stupidly just for false drama. We don’t need a writer’s strike. We either need all the writer’s taken out back and shot, or if they are getting it right, whoever is overriding their scripts need to wished to the cornfield. ---
**Author:** ![BeepKillBeep](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/9e8a1a/32.png) [@BeepKillBeep](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BeepKillBeep)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2017, 1:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-lmd-season-4-thread-open-spoilers-for-aired-episodes/776930/134 "2017-04-07T01:05:54Z")
> [@D\_Odds](#): > > Daisy/Skye and Jemma were horrible at being spies during this episode. Captain Kirk did a better job of blending in _Mirror, Mirror_. Especially Daisy, who should be trained better. Just keep telling oneself “It’s just a simulation” and do what needs to be done! Instead, she was screwing up from start. I really liked the episode because ultimately I was entertained but I was thinking the same thing. I could have tolerated an initial error while maybe she was getting adjusted to it. But she kept making error after error after error. It was really silly. ---
**Author:** ![Terminus\_Est](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/terminus_est/32/3087_2.png) [@Terminus\_Est](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Terminus_Est)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2017, 4:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-lmd-season-4-thread-open-spoilers-for-aired-episodes/776930/135 "2017-04-07T04:07:46Z")
> [@D\_Odds](#): > > Daisy/Skye and Jemma were horrible at being spies during this episode. Captain Kirk did a better job of blending in _Mirror, Mirror_. Especially Daisy, who should be trained better. Just keep telling oneself “It’s just a simulation” and do what needs to be done! Instead, she was screwing up from start. Jemma actually infiltrated Hydra and was in deep cover for several months. If anyone could do the job of blending in, it would be her rather than Daisy. Which is probably why the writers had Daisy be the one in Hydra and Jemma be dead. ---
**Author:** ![D\_Odds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/d_odds/32/2882_2.png) [@D\_Odds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/D_Odds)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2017, 4:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-lmd-season-4-thread-open-spoilers-for-aired-episodes/776930/136 "2017-04-07T16:19:00Z")
> [@Terminus\_Est](#): > > Jemma actually infiltrated Hydra and was in deep cover for several months. If anyone could do the job of blending in, it would be her rather than Daisy. Which is probably why the writers had Daisy be the one in Hydra and Jemma be dead. Yet Jemma too couldn’t be arsed to try to blend. They should both be able to adapt to the situation. I shouldn’t have to :smack: every time one of them is on the screen. It hurts my forehead. ---
**Author:** ![Andy\_L](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/c67d28/32.png) [@Andy\_L](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Andy_L)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2017, 5:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-lmd-season-4-thread-open-spoilers-for-aired-episodes/776930/137 "2017-04-07T17:35:24Z")
> [@D\_Odds](#): > > Daisy/Skye and Jemma were horrible at being spies during this episode. Captain Kirk did a better job of blending in _Mirror, Mirror_. Especially Daisy, who should be trained better. Just keep telling oneself “It’s just a simulation” and do what needs to be done! Instead, she was screwing up from start. Agreed. I was delighted when Daisy started yelling at Ward for not moving in with her - at last she was playing the situation correctly. > [@D\_Odds](#): > > Yet Jemma too couldn’t be arsed to try to blend. They should both be able to adapt to the situation. I shouldn’t have to :smack: every time one of them is on the screen. It hurts my forehead. At least Jemma used the fact that she was “dead” to distract the Hydra agents. To be fair to both, when Jemma and Daisy have previously been undercover, they had had some sort of briefing on what the situation was that they would be going into; in this case, they had no idea they were going into a world where Hydra ruled. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2017, 5:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-lmd-season-4-thread-open-spoilers-for-aired-episodes/776930/138 "2017-04-07T17:46:16Z")
But they know this “world” is all an illusion. Their reaction to every weird little thing should be “yeah, sure, whatever.” There’s literally no point to being shocked by any of it. ---
**Author:** ![Andy\_L](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/c67d28/32.png) [@Andy\_L](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Andy_L)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2017, 5:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-lmd-season-4-thread-open-spoilers-for-aired-episodes/776930/139 "2017-04-07T17:47:42Z")
> [@Bryan\_Ekers](#): > > But they know this “world” is all an illusion. Their reaction to every weird little thing should be “yeah, sure, whatever.” There’s literally no point to being shocked by any of it. Agreed. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2017, 5:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-lmd-season-4-thread-open-spoilers-for-aired-episodes/776930/140 "2017-04-07T17:53:59Z")
Well, I should modify that a little. I can picture being _momentarily_ shocked by the sight of Ward, but after that brief instinctive reaction, better to just shrug it off. I was a bit amused by Jemma’s implied eye-rolling; “so you’re a double agent here, too, are you? Surprise, surprise.” Also, I might adopt the angry open-palm gesture for real life situations. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-lmd-season-4-thread-open-spoilers-for-aired-episodes/776930.md?page=6) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-lmd-season-4-thread-open-spoilers-for-aired-episodes/776930.md?page=8)