# Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D S01E04: Eye Spy **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [October 16, 2013, 2:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s01e04-eye-spy/671367 "2013-10-16T02:08:27Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2013, 3:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s01e04-eye-spy/671367/61 "2013-10-17T15:51:17Z")
Also, the eye didn’t just have a kill switch, they could also use it as a remote torture device. ---
**Author:** ![Quimby](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/22d042/32.png) [@Quimby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Quimby)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2013, 4:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s01e04-eye-spy/671367/62 "2013-10-17T16:52:52Z")
I thought this was the weakest episode to date. Not terrible just boring. Especially after a very intriguing opening scene. ---
**Author:** ![GargoyleWB](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gargoylewb/32/199_2.png) [@GargoyleWB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GargoyleWB)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2013, 6:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s01e04-eye-spy/671367/63 "2013-10-17T18:30:02Z")
I enjoyed this episode the most, as far as plot and dialogue was concerned. However, I think the casting/character choices of the show are a fatal flaw for me. I realized that ex-Agent Amador was the first time that I felt pulled by both character and acting, and wished that she’d been originally cast as one of the primaries. Directly replacing Ward with her would be a tenfold improvement in the show. Coulson’s gravitas is turning into a one-note acting schtick to me and his scenes are already feeling repetitious. ---
**Author:** ![TBG](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/c89c15/32.png) [@TBG](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TBG)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2013, 12:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s01e04-eye-spy/671367/64 "2013-10-18T00:24:55Z")
Its so cute that the team lead buy a guy who rubs elbows with a god thinks there’s no such thing as telepathy or precognition. ---
**Author:** ![Albert\_Rose](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/9de053/32.png) [@Albert\_Rose](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Albert_Rose)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2013, 12:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s01e04-eye-spy/671367/65 "2013-10-18T00:58:19Z")
That was my immediate thought, **TBG** , when that came up. So they don’t believe in mental powers? How about Asgardian God Aliens? 90-year old Super Soldiers frozen in ice? Scientists surviving nuclear explosions & gamma irradiation, then turning into big green rage monsters? Aliens from another dimension? Wait until these guys get a load of Thanos. Or Osborn coming back from the dead with a bad haircut. ---
**Author:** ![Kamino\_Neko](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kamino_neko/32/34_2.png) [@Kamino\_Neko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kamino_Neko)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2013, 1:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s01e04-eye-spy/671367/66 "2013-10-18T01:26:40Z")
From another Whedon series. ‘But psychic? That sounds like something out of science fiction!’ ‘We live on a space ship, dear.’ ‘… SO?’ Wash is totally correct here, and so is May. Jesus does not imply aliens, and aliens do not imply Jesus, and superheroes do not imply psychic abilities. Living in a superhero universe does not mean rational people should turn off their rational minds. You believe in psychic abilities when there is good evidence for them, and not one second before. When you’ve pursued the idea, and come up with bupkis repeatedly, you don’t even entertain the thought any more until good evidence comes up. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/the_other_waldo_pepper/32/12370_2.png) [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Other_Waldo_Pepper)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2013, 1:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s01e04-eye-spy/671367/67 "2013-10-18T01:39:27Z")
> [@Kamino\_Neko](#): > > superheroes do not imply psychic abilities. Living in a superhero universe does not mean rational people should turn off their rational minds. You believe in psychic abilities when there is good evidence for them, and not one second before. When you’ve pursued the idea, and come up with bupkis repeatedly, you don’t even entertain the thought any more until good evidence comes up. Still, movie-Loki displayed mind-control abilities that apparently involved telepathy, and Doctor Selvig would’ve presumably relayed that to SHIELD. ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2013, 1:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s01e04-eye-spy/671367/68 "2013-10-18T01:43:39Z")
> [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](#): > > Still, movie-Loki displayed mind-control abilities that apparently involved telepathy, and Doctor Selvig would’ve presumably relayed that to SHIELD. Actually, his mind control powers don’t appear to involve telepathy - they require physical contact to work. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/the_other_waldo_pepper/32/12370_2.png) [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Other_Waldo_Pepper)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2013, 1:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s01e04-eye-spy/671367/69 "2013-10-18T01:47:49Z")
> [@Miller](#): > > Actually, his mind control powers don’t appear to involve telepathy - they require physical contact to work. Are you factoring in the THOR post-credits scene? ---
**Author:** ![Oakminster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/77aa72/32.png) [@Oakminster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Oakminster)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2013, 1:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s01e04-eye-spy/671367/70 "2013-10-18T01:48:21Z")
> [@Kamino\_Neko](#): > > Living in a superhero universe does not mean rational people should turn off their rational minds. You believe in psychic abilities when there is good evidence for them, and not one second before. When you’ve pursued the idea, and come up with bupkis repeatedly, you don’t even entertain the thought any more until good evidence comes up. Charles Xavier, Jean Grey, et al beg to differ. Though I suppose it is debatable whether they actually exist in this particular part of the multiverse… ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2013, 2:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s01e04-eye-spy/671367/71 "2013-10-18T02:03:20Z")
> [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](#): > > Are you factoring in the THOR post-credits scene? Was that the one where Fury shows Selvig the tesseract, and in the mirror, you see Loki’s reflection? I’d forgotten about that one. But that’s not Loki’s mind control trick. He doesn’t take control of Selvig until the beginning of _The Avengers_. Whatever he’s doing there does appear to be some sort of telepathy… but SHIELD doesn’t know it happened. The first clue they have that Loki is interested in the tesseract is when he forces it through from the other side and destroys SHIELD’s HQ. ---
**Author:** ![Kamino\_Neko](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kamino_neko/32/34_2.png) [@Kamino\_Neko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kamino_Neko)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2013, 2:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s01e04-eye-spy/671367/72 "2013-10-18T02:04:25Z")
Since their rights are owned by a different company who doesn’t seem to be eager to let go of them, it’s pretty unlikely that they do. ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2013, 2:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s01e04-eye-spy/671367/73 "2013-10-18T02:05:02Z")
> [@Oakminster](#): > > Charles Xavier, Jean Grey, et al beg to differ. > > Though I suppose it is debatable whether they actually exist in this particular part of the multiverse… Fox’s lawyers are pretty clear on the subject. The X-Men don’t exist in the Marvel cinematic universe. Neither do the Fantastic Four, or Spider-Man. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/the_other_waldo_pepper/32/12370_2.png) [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Other_Waldo_Pepper)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2013, 2:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s01e04-eye-spy/671367/74 "2013-10-18T02:06:36Z")
> [@Miller](#): > > Was that the one where Fury shows Selvig the tesseract, and in the mirror, you see Loki’s reflection? > > I’d forgotten about that one. But that’s not Loki’s mind control trick. He doesn’t take control of Selvig until the beginning of _The Avengers_. It’s not just Loki’s reflection, though. Fury says _“Power, Doctor. If we figure out how to tap it, maybe unlimited power.”_ At which point: > [@](#): > > [Loki is seen in a reflection, smiling] > > Loki: [whispers to Selvig] Well, I guess that’s worth a look. > > Erik Selvig: Well, I guess that’s worth a look. ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2013, 2:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s01e04-eye-spy/671367/75 "2013-10-18T02:18:29Z")
> [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](#): > > It’s not just Loki’s reflection, though. Fury says _“Power, Doctor. If we figure out how to tap it, maybe unlimited power.”_ At which point: Okay, but it’s still not the same thing he was doing in _The Avengers_, which is the only form of mind control that SHIELD is directly aware of Loki using. ---
**Author:** ![Zsofia](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/7bcc69/32.png) [@Zsofia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zsofia)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2013, 2:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s01e04-eye-spy/671367/76 "2013-10-18T02:42:58Z")
The unprofessionalism is just really starting to drive me insane. They weren’t all old hands at this space mercenary thing in Firefly and you didn’t see people calling to ask how exactly you’re supposed to pee in a bottle and if there are snacks. Buffy was about high schoolers. This seems like a bad pastiche of Whedon-ish stuff and it’s just kind of annoying to see people behaving so inappropriately. ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2013, 3:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s01e04-eye-spy/671367/77 "2013-10-18T03:11:23Z")
I gotta confess, my first thought in every stake-out scene is always, “What if they have to pee?” ---
**Author:** ![Zsofia](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/7bcc69/32.png) [@Zsofia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zsofia)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2013, 3:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s01e04-eye-spy/671367/78 "2013-10-18T03:12:00Z")
YOU PEE IN A BOTTLE. There were a ton of bushes right there. Or, hell, was there a reason they couldn’t drive into town? WHO CARES? ---
**Author:** ![Lok](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/e8c25b/32.png) [@Lok](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lok)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2013, 3:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s01e04-eye-spy/671367/79 "2013-10-18T03:21:32Z")
> [@Miller](#): > > She’s a spy, talking about a spy, with another spy. She saw something with her x-ray vision that (she’s assuming) is super-classified, and apparently Mai isn’t cleared for it, so she shut up right away. > [@Albert\_Rose](#): > > That’s a good point, **Miller**. If Coulson _is_ different on the inside because he’s a Life Model Decoy, then only certain people have clearance to know that, and Amador knows that. Here’s my question - is Skye’s x-ray vision able to see through him as well? If so, has she looked? What did she see? etc. > [@Miller](#): > > Good question. I’m assuming she hasn’t had the opportunity to use them on Coulsen, since I’d think they’d show that scene. The tech in Amador’s eye was significantly advanced over what SHIELD had, though, so it might not be able to pick up what Amador saw. If I remember correctly, LMDs have tech to fool X-rays, so I would guess they can handle the back-scatter tech in this episode. And the eye was more advanced than SHIELD tech in the miniaturization and power set up, not in their understanding of the tech. Look how quickly they fixed up the glasses and hi-jacked the signal while removing the eye. > [@Fenris](#): > > But in the Marvel (and DC) universe, that’s true. > > Professor X: Specialty-genetics. Able to build super-sophisticated machines (Cerebro/Danger Room) > > Reed Richards: Specialty: Rocket Science/Physics, able to do (literally) any other field > > Spider-Man: Chemistry (possibly organic chemistry), able to do optics, electronics, high-level physics, etc. > > Hank Pym: Specialty: Bugs (entymologist?), able to do particle physics, bio-chem, engineering, AI/Computers, etc. > > And the other, more practical problem is that most episodes don’t need a bio nerd AND an electronics nerd. > > As an aside, the more I think about this, the more I’m annoyed that they didn’t just make Amador Misty Knight. Similar background (cop/SHIELD agent), cyborg parts, similar personality. Why not just _do_ it? > > Also, I’m going to be pissed if they forget they now have super X-Ray Specs the next time they need to unlock a combo safe, or see what someone’s doing on the other side of a door, etc. Introducing them was a mistake: they’re too useful and too powerful. Well, Reed Richards is Mr. Fantastic. That name is not because of his stretching power (Well, Sue probably uses it for that.) it is because of his brain. He is the smartest man on Marvel earth, which is really saying something. As for the glasses, didn’t they have to have a laptop there to process the signal? That would make them kind of awkward to carry around on a mission. ---
**Author:** ![epbrown01](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7ba0ec/32.png) [@epbrown01](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/epbrown01)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2013, 4:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s01e04-eye-spy/671367/80 "2013-10-18T04:36:41Z")
> [@Fenris](#): > > Reed Richards: Specialty: Rocket Science/Physics, able to do (literally) any other field One of my favorite “Aw, c’mon!” moments is when Reed Richards needs a brilliant surgeon, so he goes to some asylum and talks Doctor Octopus thru years of psycho-therapy in a couple of hours, getting him released so he can do the procedure. (In the comics, Ock started as a famous neurosurgeon who also happened to design powerful hydraulic appendages - you know, as a hobby.) [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s01e04-eye-spy/671367.md?page=3) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s01e04-eye-spy/671367.md?page=5)