# Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D S01E07: The Hub (open spoilers) **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [November 13, 2013, 4:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s01e07-the-hub-open-spoilers/673787 "2013-11-13T04:03:31Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![pricciar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/f4b2a3/32.png) [@pricciar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pricciar)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2013, 8:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s01e07-the-hub-open-spoilers/673787/61 "2013-11-16T20:52:30Z")
Last week it was fire hyrdants, this week it was Chipotle. One of these weeks I will get all of my facts straight! Thanks for pointing that out. One thing I forgot to mention was the fact that the opening of the show used the new Marvel logo that the Thor movie introduced. If SHIELD had used it already, I didn’t notice it. I don’t especially like it. The old one was powerful in it’s simplicity. I’m kind of wary about next week’s episode. I’ve seen the new Thor, so it won’t bother me, but I hope they haven’t written an episode that assumes you have already seen the movie. A stand alone episode that references the movie would be fine. An episode where major plot points don’t make sense because they are referencing the film would be annoying, as would an episode that feels like an hour long commercial for the movie. Hopefully, they deliver! I was thinking. Of all the major movie characters who haven’t appeared already the one that makes the most sense to be featured in a cameo is Captain America. His day job is at SHIELD, so his presence at a hub like facility would not be especially jarring. I guess the best option would for Coulson to be elsewhere when any meeting occurs to avoid any awkward Coulson death question or answers. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2013, 10:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s01e07-the-hub-open-spoilers/673787/62 "2013-11-16T22:07:03Z")
> [@pricciar](#): > > I’m kind of wary about next week’s episode. I’ve seen the new Thor, so it won’t bother me, but I hope they haven’t written an episode that assumes you have already seen the movie. A stand alone episode that references the movie would be fine. An episode where major plot points don’t make sense because they are referencing the film would be annoying, as would an episode that feels like an hour long commercial for the movie. Hopefully, they deliver! My guess is the Thor connection will actually be pretty minor. I can’t imagine the writing staff of the movie and the TV series ever sat down and worked on a real crossover story. The TV writers probably just wrote a regular story for the series and then somebody added a line or two to reference some event from the movie. ---
**Author:** ![foolsguinea](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/foolsguinea/32/14751_2.png) [@foolsguinea](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/foolsguinea)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2013, 10:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s01e07-the-hub-open-spoilers/673787/63 "2013-11-16T22:16:59Z")
So SHIELD is against Ossetian independence both political and technological? “Stay in the prison of nations, you uppity Caucasians!” What a message! ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2013, 10:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s01e07-the-hub-open-spoilers/673787/64 "2013-11-16T22:54:39Z")
> [@foolsguinea](#): > > So SHIELD is against Ossetian independence both political and technological? “Stay in the prison of nations, you uppity Caucasians!” What a message! I had the sense that Shield’s objection was more against the means than the end. They’d have no problem with the Ossetians fighting for their independence but they object to any group that’s using destabilizing technology. ---
**Author:** ![simster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/simster/32/1047_2.png) [@simster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/simster)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2013, 12:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s01e07-the-hub-open-spoilers/673787/65 "2013-11-17T00:53:25Z")
> [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > I had the sense that Shield’s objection was more against the means than the end. They’d have no problem with the Ossetians fighting for their independence but they object to any group that’s using destabilizing technology. If it had stopped with the dismantling of the weapon, sure - but wasn’t that shield forces going into the region once the beacon was lit? ---
**Author:** ![TBG](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/c89c15/32.png) [@TBG](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TBG)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2013, 12:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s01e07-the-hub-open-spoilers/673787/66 "2013-11-17T00:57:08Z")
> [@deltasigma](#): > > I’m pulling this out of my ass but how much time travel goes on in the Avengers story lines? About as much as in any superhero comic. So plenty. ---
**Author:** ![AK84](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/85e7bf/32.png) [@AK84](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AK84)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2013, 4:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s01e07-the-hub-open-spoilers/673787/67 "2013-11-17T04:25:28Z")
> [@foolsguinea](#): > > So SHIELD is against Ossetian independence both political and technological? “Stay in the prison of nations, you uppity Caucasians!” What a message! I would say in this continuity, SHIELD would be like a UN meets NATO. With a clear extra terrestrial threat, the nations of the world are using SHIELD to…well protect the earth. So certain compromises have to be made. If getting Ossetian independence means pissing off Russia, well SHIELD is against it, because Russia is the world’s premier space faring nation and rather necessary. And **Pricciar** , can we please not have Thor spoilers at all. Even seemingly minor details (like your example) can spoil. ---
**Author:** ![pricciar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/f4b2a3/32.png) [@pricciar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pricciar)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2013, 6:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s01e07-the-hub-open-spoilers/673787/68 "2013-11-17T06:24:27Z")
**AK84** , oops, sorry! (You mean the logo thing, right? Doesn’t seem like a big deal, but you’re right, something I should be more aware of!) ---
**Author:** ![AK84](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/85e7bf/32.png) [@AK84](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AK84)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2013, 6:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s01e07-the-hub-open-spoilers/673787/69 "2013-11-17T06:35:04Z")
Yes I did and no problem. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![bienville](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/4bbf92/32.png) [@bienville](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bienville)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2013, 1:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s01e07-the-hub-open-spoilers/673787/70 "2013-11-17T13:25:31Z")
> [@pricciar](#): > > I’m kind of wary about next week’s episode. I’ve seen the new Thor, so it won’t bother me, but I hope they haven’t written an episode that assumes you have already seen the movie. A stand alone episode that references the movie would be fine. An episode where major plot points don’t make sense because they are referencing the film would be annoying, as would an episode that feels like an hour long commercial for the movie. > [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > My guess is the Thor connection will actually be pretty minor. I can’t imagine the writing staff of the movie and the TV series ever sat down and worked on a real crossover story. The TV writers probably just wrote a regular story for the series and then somebody added a line or two to reference some event from the movie. **Re: Movie/T.V. Show Continuity** Since, **AK84** raised concerns about movie spoilers, I’ll spoiler tag this- referencing both _Iron Man 3_ and _Thor 2_. [SPOILER]O.K., this detail just struck me as I rewatched _Iron Man 3_. _Iron Man 3_ was released in the summer, but _it takes place_ during December. Which December? _Thor 2_ tells us that the movies take place _roughly_ in real time with our own calendar: the first Thor movie was two years ago, Jane says she hasn’t seen Thor in two years. _Iron Man 3_ was released before the debut of _Agents of SHIELD_, but in what December does it take place? Does it take place in the December immediately following the attack on New York (i.e. the movie was released 6 months “late”) or does it take place the following December (i.e. the movie was released 6 months “early”?) We find Extremis in both _Iron Man 3_ and _Agents of SHIELD_. Coulson says that it’s “new”. Does he know about it because SHIELD knows all about Stark’s battle with AIM? Or, in the T.V. show, are we seeing Extremis _before_ Killian approaches Pepper about backing the project? Killian’s Extremis serum seemed more advanced than what we’ve seen on the T.V. show. Is that because the T.V. show is showing us AIM building up to an improved version of the serum? Or was Killian’s Extremis more advanced but his research was lost after defeat at the hands of Stark . . . and the Extremis we’ve seen on the T.V. show is the work of a less talented organization trying to piece it back together after Killian’s project was shut down? 😕 [/SPOILER] ---
**Author:** ![RikWriter](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/49beb7/32.png) [@RikWriter](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RikWriter)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2013, 1:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s01e07-the-hub-open-spoilers/673787/71 "2013-11-17T13:59:43Z")
> [@bienville](#): > > **Re: Movie/T.V. Show Continuity** > > Since, **AK84** raised concerns about movie spoilers, I’ll spoiler tag this- referencing both _Iron Man 3_ and _Thor 2_. > > [SPOILER]O.K., this detail just struck me as I rewatched _Iron Man 3_. > _Iron Man 3_ was released in the summer, but _it takes place_ during December. Which December? > > _Thor 2_ tells us that the movies take place _roughly_ in real time with our own calendar: the first Thor movie was two years ago, Jane says she hasn’t seen Thor in two years. > > _Iron Man 3_ was released before the debut of _Agents of SHIELD_, but in what December does it take place? Does it take place in the December immediately following the attack on New York (i.e. the movie was released 6 months “late”) or does it take place the following December (i.e. the movie was released 6 months “early”?) > > We find Extremis in both _Iron Man 3_ and _Agents of SHIELD_. Coulson says that it’s “new”. Does he know about it because SHIELD knows all about Stark’s battle with AIM? Or, in the T.V. show, are we seeing Extremis _before_ Killian approaches Pepper about backing the project? > > Killian’s Extremis serum seemed more advanced than what we’ve seen on the T.V. show. Is that because the T.V. show is showing us AIM building up to an improved version of the serum? Or was Killian’s Extremis more advanced but his research was lost after defeat at the hands of Stark . . . and the Extremis we’ve seen on the T.V. show is the work of a less talented organization trying to piece it back together after Killian’s project was shut down? > > 😕 > [/SPOILER] I think you put more thought into it than the writers of the show have. ---
**Author:** ![Lasciel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/e79b87/32.png) [@Lasciel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lasciel)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2013, 4:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s01e07-the-hub-open-spoilers/673787/72 "2013-11-17T16:16:21Z")
> [@RikWriter](#): > > I think you put more thought into it than the writers of the show have. He’s not the only one, and I’m not so sure. If they’re going to all this trouble to have the universe hang together in general, it seems sloppy to let the details flap in the breeze. ---
**Author:** ![Quimby](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/22d042/32.png) [@Quimby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Quimby)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2013, 4:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s01e07-the-hub-open-spoilers/673787/73 "2013-11-17T16:45:19Z")
It is a good point though that I, personally, did not consider. I wonder if they will make a tie in episode for that as well. Also, having Thor 2 take place before IM3 could also explain…[Spoilers for IM3 and Thor 2] Why Iron Man did not show up in London to help. Having that story take place first would put Tony Stark at the height of his PTSD which could explain why he didn’t do anything. ---
**Author:** ![Bozuit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/edb3f5/32.png) [@Bozuit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bozuit)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2013, 6:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s01e07-the-hub-open-spoilers/673787/74 "2013-11-17T18:07:28Z")
> [@muldoonthief](#): > > Pesto aioli. I think chipotle on prosciutto and mozzarella would be a bad combination. I don’t get this pesto aioli thing. I know this will probably come across as really conservative, and I’m not sure I can quite justify it. But pesto is a sauce. Aioli is a sauce. There is no need to have “pesto aioli”. If I want relish and mayonnaise in a sandwich, I don’t use relish mayonnaise, I use relish and mayonnaise. I’m not even convinced pesto aioli is a “real” thing (even if a Google search tells me a few people have made something they call “pesto aioli”). Does anyone else get what I mean, or am I talking crap? ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2013, 7:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s01e07-the-hub-open-spoilers/673787/75 "2013-11-17T19:23:21Z")
> [@Bozuit](#): > > Does anyone else get what I mean, or am I talking crap? The latter, I think :). Sriracha mayonnaise is a thing as well: you just mix the two sauces together before spreading them. I don’t see why it’d be a problem. ---
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2013, 7:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s01e07-the-hub-open-spoilers/673787/76 "2013-11-17T19:31:51Z")
I bet **Bozuit** doesn’t like Reese’s Peanut Butter Cups, either! 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Bozuit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/edb3f5/32.png) [@Bozuit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bozuit)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2013, 7:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s01e07-the-hub-open-spoilers/673787/77 "2013-11-17T19:32:57Z")
> [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](#): > > The latter, I think :). Sriracha mayonnaise is a thing as well: you just mix the two sauces together before spreading them. I don’t see why it’d be a problem. Heh, I think you’re probably right. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/the_other_waldo_pepper/32/12370_2.png) [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Other_Waldo_Pepper)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2013, 7:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s01e07-the-hub-open-spoilers/673787/78 "2013-11-17T19:34:42Z")
> [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](#): > > Sriracha mayonnaise is a thing as well: you just mix the two sauces together before spreading them. I don’t see why it’d be a problem. I guess honey mustard also counts. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2013, 7:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s01e07-the-hub-open-spoilers/673787/79 "2013-11-17T19:37:11Z")
> [@Quimby](#): > > It is a good point though that I, personally, did not consider. I wonder if they will make a tie in episode for that as well. Also, having Thor 2 take place before IM3 could also explain…[Spoilers for IM3 and Thor 2] > > Why Iron Man did not show up in London to help. Having that story take place first would put Tony Stark at the height of his PTSD which could explain why he didn’t do anything. More spoilers for Iron Man 3:I’d say the opposite. It makes more sense if we assume Iron Man 3 took place before Thor 2. The ending of Iron Man 3 had Stark quitting as Iron Man and demolishing all his suits. Obviously he wasn’t going to be much help as an unarmored civilian. ---
**Author:** ![Zsofia](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/7bcc69/32.png) [@Zsofia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zsofia)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2013, 7:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s01e07-the-hub-open-spoilers/673787/80 "2013-11-17T19:45:09Z")
Arrrgh, this show is just so aggressively freaking dumb. I don’t know why we keep watching it - we might quit after the Thor tie-in. Nobody’s motivations make any sense and nobody acts like a motherfucking adult up in this joint. Ugh. So frustrating. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s01e07-the-hub-open-spoilers/673787.md?page=3) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s01e07-the-hub-open-spoilers/673787.md?page=5)