# Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D S01E08: The Well (open spoilers) **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [November 20, 2013, 3:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s01e08-the-well-open-spoilers/674316 "2013-11-20T03:43:41Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Moonlitherial](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/4bbf92/32.png) [@Moonlitherial](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Moonlitherial)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2013, 7:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s01e08-the-well-open-spoilers/674316/41 "2013-11-20T19:31:02Z")
> [@gonzoron](#): > > I caught it before it happened. > > Coulson: Did I fall asleep? > Me: \ For a little while. > Masseuse: For a little while. > Me: \ Mine was the same as yours til the end. My reaction was more like - How did I know that what was that from OMG rage why can’t I figure it out. I think I must have looked at the staff for a bit too long 😉 Also I wish I had Coulson’s nightmares. Oh no I’m on a beach in Tahiti and fell asleep during a massage. How terrifying! Fine fine, I know why it is for him but I’d kill for nightmares like that. I think the fact that the team was on cleanup duty helps show where they fit into the hierarchy. Hearing there was a tie in did make me see Thor a week sooner than planned but I enjoyed it so I’ll deal with the fact that it wasn’t really required. ---
**Author:** ![randwill](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/a3d4f5/32.png) [@randwill](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/randwill)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2013, 7:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s01e08-the-well-open-spoilers/674316/42 "2013-11-20T19:42:34Z")
I didn’t really make any connection to “Thor 2” having not heard that it was supposed to tie in until I read it here. I guess I assumed that they were cleaning up after the events of the Avengers movie. ---
**Author:** ![pricciar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/f4b2a3/32.png) [@pricciar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pricciar)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2013, 7:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s01e08-the-well-open-spoilers/674316/43 "2013-11-20T19:50:59Z")
> [@Telemark](#): > > Nice recap, but I’m pretty sure that was a bottle of whiskey or bourbon, not wine. May wouldn’t be drinking wine. 🙂 Yeah, you’re right! Wine really doesn’t fit her character, does it? I just rewatched, and it is for sure not wine. I spotted a red 18 on the green bottle, so I guess it is 18 year old Irish Whiskey. Hey, they were in Ireland that must be it! ---
**Author:** ![Dendarii\_Dame](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/bbce88/32.png) [@Dendarii\_Dame](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dendarii_Dame)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2013, 8:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s01e08-the-well-open-spoilers/674316/44 "2013-11-20T20:34:55Z")
I was disappointed that the staff didn’t turn out to be the Wrecker’s crowbar. I was sure that was going to happen. I mean, with all the damage in London, it would make sense to have some kind of wrecking crew taking down a building, right? They could find a magic stick that was like a crowbar, right? And they’ve already established Graviton in a previous episode, right? Also, when Simmons (or was it Skye?) asked May if flying an alien spacecraft was on her bucket list, I just got the feeling that May has done that already. If so, that shoe should drop by the end of the season. ---
**Author:** ![Lightray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lightray/32/391_2.png) [@Lightray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lightray)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2013, 9:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s01e08-the-well-open-spoilers/674316/45 "2013-11-20T21:43:38Z")
I also suspect that Coulson’s telling the Asgard nebbish about Portland’s great philharmonic was a callback to his movie conversation with Pepper Pots about the musician he was seeing. ---
**Author:** ![Ethilrist](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ethilrist/32/4604_2.png) [@Ethilrist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ethilrist)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2013, 10:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s01e08-the-well-open-spoilers/674316/46 "2013-11-20T22:10:40Z")
Happy birthday to Ming-na Wen! She turns 50 today. ---
**Author:** ![TBG](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/c89c15/32.png) [@TBG](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TBG)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2013, 11:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s01e08-the-well-open-spoilers/674316/47 "2013-11-20T23:06:13Z")
I know it’s a pointless thing to complain about, but I don’t like how the movieverse takes the stance that Asgardians are space aliens. From space. On another planet. Nah, that’s Stargate. In the MU proper, they’re more from another dimension, not someplace you could go if you had a spaceship. \ ---
**Author:** ![Cat\_Whisperer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cat_whisperer/32/4839_2.png) [@Cat\_Whisperer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cat_Whisperer)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2013, 12:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s01e08-the-well-open-spoilers/674316/48 "2013-11-21T00:19:37Z")
> [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > \ > The second one was Randolph, who as we saw is a womanizing immortal. Which made it incongruous when he was reaching for his car’s door handle and we see his wedding ring. My silly, very little thing from that scene was him fiddling with a car key to get into his car - who uses a car key any more? Everyone unlocks their cars with a fob - \. As per my previous post in this thread, I think the young boy was going under just as the other boy (who I believe to be Ward) was throwing the rope. We saw the rope coming down, then the point-of-view changed to that of someone under the water. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2013, 12:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s01e08-the-well-open-spoilers/674316/49 "2013-11-21T00:26:49Z")
> [@TBG](#): > > I know it’s a pointless thing to complain about, but I don’t like how the movieverse takes the stance that Asgardians are space aliens. From space. On another planet. Nah, that’s Stargate. In the MU proper, they’re more from another dimension, not someplace you could go if you had a spaceship. \ I feel that’s been implied in the movie universe. There’s the thing about the Nine Realms which can “intersect” at certain times and which you travel between by portals. This doesn’t seem like a description of planets that are separated just by distance. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2013, 12:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s01e08-the-well-open-spoilers/674316/50 "2013-11-21T00:29:57Z")
> [@Ethilrist](#): > > Happy birthday to Ming-na Wen! She turns 50 today. I was checking her filmography and I saw something interesting. Her first professional acting credit was on _Mr Rodger’s Neighborhood_ when she was 18 years old. ---
**Author:** ![tracer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tracer/32/20578_2.png) [@tracer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tracer)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2013, 12:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s01e08-the-well-open-spoilers/674316/51 "2013-11-21T00:30:09Z")
> [@Oakminster](#): > > Another vote for best episode in the series to date. May is the real badass of the crew. Kinda surprised she’s apparently going to boink Ward, though. Now now, all we know is that he went into her hotel room, and that she’d been drinking. (From a rather large bottle.) Maybe they just talked about their sordid pasts. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/the_other_waldo_pepper/32/12370_2.png) [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Other_Waldo_Pepper)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2013, 12:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s01e08-the-well-open-spoilers/674316/52 "2013-11-21T00:49:13Z")
> [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > I was checking her filmography and I saw something interesting. Her first professional acting credit was on _Mr Rodger’s Neighborhood_ when she was 18 years old. If I read it right, she was actually in her twenties; I mention this not for a pedantic nitpick, but to emphasize that she doesn’t even look her age in the abstract! ---
**Author:** ![simster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/simster/32/1047_2.png) [@simster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/simster)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2013, 3:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s01e08-the-well-open-spoilers/674316/53 "2013-11-21T03:04:58Z")
> [@tracer](#): > > Now now, all we know is that he went into her hotel room, and that she’d been drinking. (From a rather large bottle.) > > Maybe they just talked about their sordid pasts. More about how to gain control over the rage, etc - and lots of naked Tai-Chi ! ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2013, 3:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s01e08-the-well-open-spoilers/674316/54 "2013-11-21T03:25:52Z")
They didn’t “Dollhouse” agent Coulson, did they? In his dream at the end, he said, “Did I fall asleep?” to the massage lady in Tahiti. “For a little while,” she replied. Did they dump his mind into a cloned body or something? I know that wouldn’t explain the scar, but what was up with that dream sequence? My wife and I laughed pretty hard when she replied “for a little while”. ---
**Author:** ![bienville](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/4bbf92/32.png) [@bienville](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bienville)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2013, 7:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s01e08-the-well-open-spoilers/674316/55 "2013-11-21T07:44:12Z")
> [@Oakminster](#): > > Kinda surprised she’s apparently going to boink Ward, though. Not at all surprised. You don’t think she’s _in love_ with him do you? A woman’s got needs. Her career takes her from one end of the earth to the next on any given day. There’s no predictability, no stability. Her choice of partners is limited by necessity. He’s physically fit and able and he’s available to answer her call whenever she chooses to call. It’s more like, “Yeah, you’ll do.” ---
**Author:** ![YoungKusher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/3e96dc/32.png) [@YoungKusher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/YoungKusher)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2013, 8:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s01e08-the-well-open-spoilers/674316/56 "2013-11-21T08:21:31Z")
> [@bienville](#): > > Not at all surprised. You don’t think she’s _in love_ with him do you? > A woman’s got needs. Her career takes her from one end of the earth to the next on any given day. There’s no predictability, no stability. Her choice of partners is limited by necessity. He’s physically fit and able and he’s available to answer her call whenever she chooses to call. > > It’s more like, “Yeah, you’ll do.” I think the surprise came bc people thought ward would hook-up with sky. Also, I’d like to settle the whole BEASTIALITY thing. Agamemnon, a character from the MU, is half human and half asguardian. A prerequisite of something being a different species from another is that they cannot produce offspring together. So, are asguardians and humans actually the same species or subspecies? Tigers and house cats are… Lol so it’s def not beastiality. On a side note this erks me to no end in The Tomorrow People… They’re constantly referring to themselves as a different species and trying to distinguish themselves from humans, when they’re not really so different… ---
**Author:** ![epbrown01](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7ba0ec/32.png) [@epbrown01](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/epbrown01)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2013, 8:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s01e08-the-well-open-spoilers/674316/57 "2013-11-21T08:38:50Z")
> [@YoungKusher](#): > > On a side note this erks me to no end in The Tomorrow People… They’re constantly referring to themselves as a different species and trying to distinguish themselves from humans, when they’re not really so different… The kicker there is they’re almost all kids who _just_ got their powers and they all talk about humans like they’ve never known one personally. I want so someone to yell “Hey, dumbass, you thought you _were_ a human a few weeks ago!” As far as they’ve shown, there’s no pureblood Tomorrow Person - hell, Steve is the only one they’ve shown that’s 2nd-generation and he’s got one human parent. Their biggest gripe about humanity is one government organization and half the staff is the same as them. Same issue the other direction with MU “muties” - the majority have two human parents, they span all nationalities, creeds, races, and they treat them like another race. More like the tv version of _True Blood_, mutant discrimination should be an allegory for gay, rather than the awkward attempts to make it like black racial discrimination (Mystique refusing to use her “slave name” :rolleyes:). ---
**Author:** ![Grumman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/43a26b/32.png) [@Grumman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Grumman)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2013, 9:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s01e08-the-well-open-spoilers/674316/58 "2013-11-21T09:36:51Z")
> [@epbrown01](#): > > More like the tv version of _True Blood_, mutant discrimination should be an allegory for gay, rather than the awkward attempts to make it like black racial discrimination (Mystique refusing to use her “slave name” :rolleyes:). With Magneto, it should be about race. His parents were murdered because they were Jews, not because they were gay, and he knows the mutant gene breeds true. With Mystique, it could be a bit of each. Her mentor’s ideology would obviously be a significant influence, but her power naturally lends itself to the idea of coming out of the closet. ---
**Author:** ![bienville](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/4bbf92/32.png) [@bienville](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bienville)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2013, 11:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s01e08-the-well-open-spoilers/674316/59 "2013-11-21T11:05:03Z")
> [@YoungKusher](#): > > I think the surprise came bc people thought ward would hook-up with sky. Oh, I think Ward also recognizes the possibility he would hook up with Skye- which is even _more_ reason to hook up with May. With Skye, it wouldn’t happen without emotional entanglement- she wants “to be there” for him, evidenced in the immediately preceeding scene. Ward knows that a romantic entanglement with Skye would compromise his ability to do his job. Also, he recognizes the possibility (probability?) that he’ll end up hurting her- in direct conflict with his responsibility to _protect_ her. Not only is there no romantic entanglement with May, but to engage in an emotionally detached sexual relationship makes it easier to remain detached in all other relationships as well. I can even see May reasoning that she’s not only attending to her own needs, but that she’s also keeping Ward in line. ---
**Author:** ![Trion](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ccd318/32.png) [@Trion](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trion)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2013, 12:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s01e08-the-well-open-spoilers/674316/60 "2013-11-21T12:04:21Z")
So we caught up with this one last night. Good episode. The show is really coming along. But I’ll admit that when they were doing clean up early on, I was hoping for some reference to Damage Control. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s01e08-the-well-open-spoilers/674316.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s01e08-the-well-open-spoilers/674316.md?page=4)