# Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D S01E11 The Magical Place (spoilers) **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [January 8, 2014, 3:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s01e11-the-magical-place-spoilers/678234 "2014-01-08T03:01:02Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2014, 6:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s01e11-the-magical-place-spoilers/678234/21 "2014-01-08T18:43:39Z")
> [@Saltire](#): > > One of my favorite quick-thinking-on-her-feet things was Skye using the bracelet’s disabled-electronics screen to help her bluff by making it into an electronic S.H.I.E.L.D. badge. No, she didn’t pretend it was a badge. What she did was pretend she called SHIELD and ordered them to shut down the device. In reality, the device did it automatically but it looked to Lynch like Skye was able to give orders. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2014, 7:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s01e11-the-magical-place-spoilers/678234/22 "2014-01-08T19:00:21Z")
> [@Albert\_Rose](#): > > My WAGs include: Melinda May is Skye’s Aunt; Raina is Coulson’s cello-playing girlfriend from Portland; Coulson is The Best There Is at being an agent (sorry, Wolverine), and that’s why Fury wants him around; the Clairvoyant is some Captain America villain. Some of those are pretty wild. For example, all indications are Coulson remembers his girlfriend so he would presumably recognize Raina. (I’ll note, however, that my WAG was that Edison Poe had a split personality and he actually was the Clairvoyant. Obviously, this theory has been disproven.) My current wild theory is a continuation of one I’ve had all along. SHIELD has been compromised. Some entity - Loki, Thanos, Ultron, the Collector, the Clairvoyant - has been able to infiltrate SHIELD and is controlling some of the leadership of the agency. Fury knows this but doesn’t know who the double agents are. So he’s in the dilemma that he can’t conduct an internal investigation because the investigators might be part of the conspiracy. If mind control is involved, the conspiracy might even involve people - including Fury - who are unaware that they’re double agents. But for some as-yet-unrevealed reason, Fury knows that Coulson is not a double agent (maybe the infiltration happened during the period when Coulson was dead). So Fury has set up Coulson in an isolated situation where the double agents - whoever they may be - aren’t monitoring him. ---
**Author:** ![YogSothoth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/8edcca/32.png) [@YogSothoth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/YogSothoth)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2014, 7:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s01e11-the-magical-place-spoilers/678234/23 "2014-01-08T19:03:33Z")
Shit I missed this! ---
**Author:** ![Lightnin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lightnin/32/180_2.png) [@Lightnin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lightnin)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2014, 7:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s01e11-the-magical-place-spoilers/678234/24 "2014-01-08T19:14:11Z")
> [@kenobi\_65](#): > > Yeah – I turned to my wife and said, “nice trick, pulling a bootlegger turn at 700 mph”. 🙂 I turned to my wife and said, “Here’s something you can’t do…” I’ve clearly watched \*Firefly \*too much. Wait… that’s not possible, is it? ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_Q](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/898d66/32.png) [@Johnny\_Q](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_Q)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2014, 11:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s01e11-the-magical-place-spoilers/678234/25 "2014-01-08T23:33:36Z")
I wonder if Stan Lee will be playing The Clairvoyant. ---
**Author:** ![simster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/simster/32/1047_2.png) [@simster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/simster)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2014, 11:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s01e11-the-magical-place-spoilers/678234/26 "2014-01-08T23:55:23Z")
> [@Johnny\_Q](#): > > I wonder if Stan Lee will be playing The Clairvoyant. _that_ would be awesome. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2014, 12:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s01e11-the-magical-place-spoilers/678234/27 "2014-01-09T00:01:26Z")
Son of a bitch. I just checked Hulu and ABC’s website. Apparently they’ve decided to stop carrying episodes of this show for free. ---
**Author:** ![bienville](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/4bbf92/32.png) [@bienville](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bienville)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2014, 3:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s01e11-the-magical-place-spoilers/678234/28 "2014-01-09T03:55:06Z")
> [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > Son of a bitch. I just checked Hulu and ABC’s website. Apparently they’ve decided to stop carrying episodes of this show for free. You have to wait a week unless you pay for Hulu plus _or_ if you have cable T.V. service. I thought at fist I had to either wait a week or pay- and I was _not_ going to pay- but then I read up on the whole cable provider thing. I have cable T.V. from Cox but I never set up an online account, so the first thing I had to do was set up an online account. Then I had to set up an account with Hulu. Hulu then gives a spot to enter my cable provider, then it forwards me to a screen where I sign in on my Cox account, then it brings me back to Hulu and I can watch the show. Huge pain in the ass . . . _today_. But now that I have activated my online account with Cox, signed up with Hulu, and linked the two accounts it’s perfectly easy. I think the Hulu notice told me that I’ll have to reestablish the link between the two accounts once a week or something like that. ETA: for some reason Hulu couldn’t bring up the drop down menu for cable providers when I was using Chrome. I switched to Firefox and it all worked right away. ---
**Author:** ![Alessan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alessan/32/465_2.png) [@Alessan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alessan)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2014, 5:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s01e11-the-magical-place-spoilers/678234/29 "2014-01-09T05:42:24Z")
My WAG - the Clairvoyant doesn’t actually have any powers. He knows what he knows because he’s from the future; in fact, he’s Kang the Conqueror. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2014, 6:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s01e11-the-magical-place-spoilers/678234/30 "2014-01-09T06:55:43Z")
> [@bienville](#): > > You have to wait a week unless you pay for Hulu plus _or_ if you have cable T.V. service. Not just any cable TV service. I have Time Warner and they’re not included in this deal. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2014, 7:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s01e11-the-magical-place-spoilers/678234/31 "2014-01-09T07:05:34Z")
> [@Alessan](#): > > My WAG - the Clairvoyant doesn’t actually have any powers. He knows what he knows because he’s from the future; in fact, he’s Kang the Conqueror. That kind of knowledge would seem to be self-limited. If I traveled into the past, I might have a lot of knowledge about “future” events - but if I tried to manipulate events based on my knowledge, I’d change the history that I knew about. ---
**Author:** ![bienville](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/4bbf92/32.png) [@bienville](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bienville)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2014, 7:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s01e11-the-magical-place-spoilers/678234/32 "2014-01-09T07:33:44Z")
> [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > That kind of knowledge would seem to be self-limited. If I traveled into the past, I might have a lot of knowledge about “future” events - but if I tried to manipulate events based on my knowledge, I’d change the history that I knew about. Yeah, but that’s because you’re just **Little Nemo** instead of **Little Nemo the Conqueror**. ---
**Author:** ![Grumman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/43a26b/32.png) [@Grumman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Grumman)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2014, 9:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s01e11-the-magical-place-spoilers/678234/33 "2014-01-09T09:32:43Z")
> [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > That kind of knowledge would seem to be self-limited. If I traveled into the past, I might have a lot of knowledge about “future” events - but if I tried to manipulate events based on my knowledge, I’d change the history that I knew about. Yes, but that is something that should be embraced. A time traveller or psychic who knows how things would have worked out, whose predictions slowly get out of sync with reality as their foresight changes the world is a damn interesting idea - much better than nonsense about paradoxes. ---
**Author:** ![muldoonthief](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/muldoonthief/32/3188_2.png) [@muldoonthief](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/muldoonthief)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2014, 1:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s01e11-the-magical-place-spoilers/678234/34 "2014-01-09T13:03:47Z")
> [@Johnny\_Q](#): > > I wonder if Stan Lee will be playing The Clairvoyant. Just explode the fourth wall. He knows everything because he’s the president of the company producing all these episodes. He doesn’t know exactly what happened to Coulson because they haven’t figured that out in the writing meetings yet. ---
**Author:** ![Alessan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alessan/32/465_2.png) [@Alessan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alessan)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2014, 1:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s01e11-the-magical-place-spoilers/678234/35 "2014-01-09T13:06:56Z")
> [@Albert\_Rose](#): > > [li]My WAGs include: Melinda May is Skye’s Aunt; R[/li][/LIST] Why not mom? ---
**Author:** ![Grumman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/43a26b/32.png) [@Grumman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Grumman)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2014, 1:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s01e11-the-magical-place-spoilers/678234/36 "2014-01-09T13:17:13Z")
> [@Alessan](#): > > Why not mom? Because her mother is dead? ---
**Author:** ![Mollie\_Magill](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mollie_magill/32/20882_2.png) [@Mollie\_Magill](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mollie_Magill)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2014, 1:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s01e11-the-magical-place-spoilers/678234/37 "2014-01-09T13:32:22Z")
> [@gonzoron](#): > > - I’m convinced the Clairvoyant is a woman. Listen to Coulson’s convo w/Raina. He uses “he” and “him”. She only uses “The Cairvoyant” and stuff like “this was my first time making contact… [with her]” where she leaves out the pronoun that someone would naturally use. I’m calling it now. I’m calling it now: Hand is the Clairvoyant. She’s obviously evil. She would have access to the sonic paralyser thingy she used on Poe. She had to ask if Raina was there, so she’s not _really_ clairvoyant, she just has access to everyone’s files. Hand is the Clairvoyant. ---
**Author:** ![Alessan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alessan/32/465_2.png) [@Alessan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alessan)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2014, 2:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s01e11-the-magical-place-spoilers/678234/38 "2014-01-09T14:10:30Z")
> [@Grumman](#): > > Because her mother is dead? So she’s been told. ---
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2014, 2:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s01e11-the-magical-place-spoilers/678234/39 "2014-01-09T14:32:19Z")
> [@Mollie\_Magill](#): > > I’m calling it now: Hand is the Clairvoyant. She’s obviously evil. She would have access to the sonic paralyser thingy she used on Poe. She had to ask if Raina was there, so she’s not _really_ clairvoyant, she just has access to everyone’s files. > > Hand is the Clairvoyant. Which would fit right in with Marvel’s next big movie - **Cap 2**. Since one of the major sub-plots seems to be factionalism and deceit in SHIELD. ---
**Author:** ![gonzoron](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/a6a055/32.png) [@gonzoron](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gonzoron)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2014, 2:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s01e11-the-magical-place-spoilers/678234/40 "2014-01-09T14:36:12Z")
> [@Mollie\_Magill](#): > > I’m calling it now: Hand is the Clairvoyant. She’s obviously evil. She would have access to the sonic paralyser thingy she used on Poe. She had to ask if Raina was there, so she’s not _really_ clairvoyant, she just has access to everyone’s files. > > Hand is the Clairvoyant. That would make total sense if the show were self contained. My wife also thinks she’s shady based on her portrayal (and the “fact” that “no professional woman would have that red streak in her hair.” ;)) but in the comics… [spoiler]she’s nothing special like that, as far as I can tell from her wiki entry. Sometimes picks the wrong side, possessed once or twice and forced to do bad stuff, but on the whole, a good guy, and acknowledged as such. Also, apparently gay, and after…wait, new spoiler box just in case[/spoiler] Whedon spoilers… After the hullabaloo Joss has gotten before about things that he’s done to beloved lesbian characters, I doubt the Whedon’s are eager to open up that can of worms by making her evil. Personally, I thought the Dark Willow storyline was amazing, but there are folks who hate it, and lots of folks who thought it was offensive to have a groundbreaking lesbian couple play into the so-called Dead/Evil Lesbian trope. Granted, on the show, there’s no hint of it, but the internet digs up stuff like that really well. Granted, the show is the show and the comics are the comics, but I still doubt it. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s01e11-the-magical-place-spoilers/678234.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s01e11-the-magical-place-spoilers/678234.md?page=3)