# Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D S01E17: Turn, Turn, Turn (open spoilers) **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [April 9, 2014, 2:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s01e17-turn-turn-turn-open-spoilers/685682 "2014-04-09T02:00:21Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 10\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2014, 8:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s01e17-turn-turn-turn-open-spoilers/685682/81 "2014-04-10T20:15:16Z")
> [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > Just to be clear on what you guys are saying, you are aware that Fitz is the male scientist? The female scientist is Simmons. Of course. Simmons falling for Triplett is boringly normal. Watching Fitz react to someone interested in his “sister” is interesting. Especially when he has the capability to build a drone that can fly up your ass and detonate. ---
**Author:** ![Sir\_T-Cups](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ed655f/32.png) [@Sir\_T-Cups](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sir_T-Cups)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2014, 12:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s01e17-turn-turn-turn-open-spoilers/685682/82 "2014-04-11T00:28:03Z")
> [@Lasciel](#): > > Actually, to be hugely nitpicky, Ward likes someone on the Bus that is NOT MAY. We don’t know who it is - we’re assuming Skye, but that’s because MAY assumed it was Skye. Wait…what? Didn’t Ward basically confirm this with his little “let’s get a beer” speech? And then the subsequent kiss? Frankly I just want Fitz and Simmons together ---
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2014, 12:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s01e17-turn-turn-turn-open-spoilers/685682/83 "2014-04-11T00:48:40Z")
Prevert. ---
**Author:** ![levdrakon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/49beb7/32.png) [@levdrakon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/levdrakon)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2014, 1:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s01e17-turn-turn-turn-open-spoilers/685682/84 "2014-04-11T01:37:15Z")
> [@polar\_bear](#): > > Another thing we’re bound to see play up in the future: > > Ward likes Skye (confirmed by Lorelai) and the clairvoyant (Garrett) made Quinn shoot skye just because… will that be the catalyst to Ward inevitable redemption? The more I think about it, Fitz & Simmons are destined for each other unless Fitz dies, so Triplett (Triple agent?) has to eventually die heroically or be revealed to be a triple quadruple agent around the time we discover Ward is a triple quadruple agent really on the good side. Something like that. ---
**Author:** ![El\_Kabong](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/el_kabong/32/496_2.png) [@El\_Kabong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/El_Kabong)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2014, 2:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s01e17-turn-turn-turn-open-spoilers/685682/85 "2014-04-11T02:50:25Z")
> [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > Awfully convenient time to be leaving the country. Going to East Africa perhaps? To report in and get new orders? > > We’re keeping an eye on you. Ixnay. This isn’t a secure line. ---
**Author:** ![Telemark](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/telemark/32/372_2.png) [@Telemark](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Telemark)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2014, 6:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s01e17-turn-turn-turn-open-spoilers/685682/86 "2014-04-14T18:21:44Z")
I just caught up with this episode. I’d pegged Garrett as the Clairvoyent when he first appeared, but was completely blindsided by the Ward turn. I still think he’s gone undercover to infiltrate HYDRA, and there are two things that makes me think that. First, the look that Ward and Coulson exchange before he boards the plane with Hand and Garrett. The second is the dripping blood on Hand’s wrist at the very end - it looks like it wasn’t coming from her, more like from a squib. I have no idea how to interpret the look on Ward’s face at the very end. Good episode, have to get out and see Winter Soldier real soon. ---
**Author:** ![Bakhesh](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/3da27b/32.png) [@Bakhesh](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bakhesh)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2014, 7:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s01e17-turn-turn-turn-open-spoilers/685682/87 "2014-04-14T19:25:18Z")
I hope they don’t bring Triplett in as a regular simple because he likes Simmons. There is waaaaay too much of this stuff going on in AoS. It’s becoming the new Hollyoaks\*. Would be nice if at least one person on the team could have a relationship with someone they don’t work with. Bring in Deathlok instead 🙂 - Tedious British teen-based soap opera ---
**Author:** ![Skammer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skammer/32/143_2.png) [@Skammer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skammer)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2014, 7:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s01e17-turn-turn-turn-open-spoilers/685682/88 "2014-04-14T19:44:01Z")
I thought I had posted this before, but I guess not. I don’t think Ward is going deep cover; I believe he really is Hydra. My reasoning is that he seems to be working for Hydra before SHIELD is aware that Hydra still exists: - He shoots Nash, the fake clairvoyant. Pretty convenient for Hydra. - Garrett recommends that Ward be let out of his cell to help. - Garrett brings Ward up to speed ("Hand is the Clairvoyant! **wink, wink** ) - Ward recommends wiping the files on the bus and then convinces Skye to let him carry the backup drive. All of this happened before there was any chance to come up with an infiltration plan for Ward. ---
**Author:** ![Ethilrist](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ethilrist/32/4604_2.png) [@Ethilrist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ethilrist)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2014, 8:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s01e17-turn-turn-turn-open-spoilers/685682/89 "2014-04-14T20:03:35Z")
> [@Sean Factotum](#): > > I enjoyed it also. Having not seen CA: TWS, I wondered about Hand’s comment that she and Coulson were probably the two highest ranking SHIELD agents that weren’t dead or HYDRA. I just assumed that meant Agent Hill was lower-rank than they were, but now that I think about it, Clark Gregg joked on the Avengers DVD that he wasn’t sure how he felt having Cobie Smulders as a boss… and she seemed to be 2nd in command of the Helicarrier. ---
**Author:** ![Uncle\_Jocko](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/uncle_jocko/32/2932_2.png) [@Uncle\_Jocko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Uncle_Jocko)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2014, 10:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s01e17-turn-turn-turn-open-spoilers/685682/90 "2014-04-14T22:24:05Z")
> [@Skammer](#): > > - Garrett brings Ward up to speed ("Hand is the Clairvoyant! **wink, wink** ) This actually jumped out at me. When Garrett came onboard the Bus after the drones got blasted, Coulson enthusiastically declared to him that Hand was the Clairvoyant (without much in the way of proof, mind you). Garrett would not believe it, and offered up multiple defenses of her. As soon as Ward was let out of the cell and asked what’s up, Garrett’s all, “OMG! Hand is the Clairvoyant! We’ve got to stop her!” Seemed a rather convenient and speedy change of heart, it did. I also thought he exchanged a little look with Ward when he said that. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s01e17-turn-turn-turn-open-spoilers/685682.md?page=4)