# Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D S01E18: Providence (open spoilers) **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [April 16, 2014, 2:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s01e18-providence-open-spoilers/686229 "2014-04-16T02:44:07Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2014, 2:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s01e18-providence-open-spoilers/686229/81 "2014-04-18T14:57:30Z")
> [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > Well, if they had lost some limbs due to frostbite, walking through the snow instead of flying would have been the wrong decision. It wasn’t that cold. No frosty breath (not even CGI) and they were all walking without face protection. They weren’t going to get frostbite from a little hike in the woods with no wind. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2014, 3:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s01e18-providence-open-spoilers/686229/82 "2014-04-18T15:28:23Z")
> [@silenus](#): > > It wasn’t that cold. No frosty breath (not even CGI) and they were all walking without face protection. They weren’t going to get frostbite from a little hike in the woods with no wind. SoCal, huh? You ever walk through seven miles of snow? Sure it looked easy; they were on a TV show. But three or four hours of exposure to freezing temperatures is not trivial. ---
**Author:** ![bienville](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/4bbf92/32.png) [@bienville](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bienville)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2014, 3:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s01e18-providence-open-spoilers/686229/83 "2014-04-18T15:36:19Z")
> [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > SoCal, huh? > > You ever walk through seven miles of snow? Sure it looked easy; they were on a TV show. But three or four hours of exposure to freezing temperatures is not trivial. Pffft! When I was a kid I had to walk 7 miles to school everyday, then 7 miles back home. It was always snowing and I had to go uphill both ways. Whenever anyone asked me why I didn’t just use my mom’s flying car, I would always tell them flying cars are for pussies. ---
**Author:** ![Telemark](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/telemark/32/372_2.png) [@Telemark](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Telemark)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2014, 3:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s01e18-providence-open-spoilers/686229/84 "2014-04-18T15:41:09Z")
> [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > You ever walk through seven miles of snow? Sure it looked easy; they were on a TV show. But three or four hours of exposure to freezing temperatures is not trivial. I do that on a fairly regular basis. Temps below freezing aren’t really a problem. It doesn’t become a serious problem until you’re below zero F. There’s no such thing as bad weather, just inadequate clothing. ---
**Author:** ![AK84](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/85e7bf/32.png) [@AK84](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AK84)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2014, 3:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s01e18-providence-open-spoilers/686229/85 "2014-04-18T15:41:21Z")
> [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > Remember what Ward said when Garrett asked him about that? “I did it to win their trust. And I had a parachute.” > > Ward knew what he was doing looked dangerous. But he also knew he had the apparent danger under control. > > So what if Simmons was using similar logic? Maybe she and Ward had cooked up the plan together. She’d jump out of the plane, thereby proving that she was willing to sacrifice herself for the team. But she had already arranged for Ward to jump out after her and rescue, thereby giving him a chance to solidify his own place. Both of them ended up looking better to the others. I still don’t buy it fully. She jumped before she knew there was a cure. Fitz discovered the cure after she had jumped and he briefed Ward on it. I think her jump was a genuine suicide attempt. I will say this. I have disliked Ward as a generic handsome agent. Not anymore. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2014, 3:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s01e18-providence-open-spoilers/686229/86 "2014-04-18T15:52:17Z")
> [@bienville](#): > > Pffft! When I was a kid I had to walk 7 miles to school everyday, then 7 miles back home. It was always snowing and I had to go uphill both ways. Whenever anyone asked me why I didn’t just use my mom’s flying car, I would always tell them flying cars are for pussies. I know it’s a joke but you’ve raised a point I think people are missing. There’s a big difference between walking outside in the winter and walking through snow. Walking through seven miles of Canadian forest is not the same as walking across the mall parking lot. ---
**Author:** ![bienville](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/4bbf92/32.png) [@bienville](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bienville)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2014, 4:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s01e18-providence-open-spoilers/686229/87 "2014-04-18T16:00:27Z")
> [@AK84](#): > > I will say this. I have disliked Ward as a generic handsome agent. Not anymore. He really is much better at playing a villain- his scene with Raina was probably his best acting of the entire season. ---
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2014, 4:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s01e18-providence-open-spoilers/686229/88 "2014-04-18T16:05:33Z")
> [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > SoCal, huh? > > You ever walk through seven miles of snow? Sure it looked easy; they were on a TV show. But three or four hours of exposure to freezing temperatures is not trivial. 7 years in Alaska and winter camping since then. The snow looked to be less than 2 inches deep and they were wearing the right clothing. SHIELD is all pussies if they can’t handle a little level-ground hike. 😛 ---
**Author:** ![Lasciel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/e79b87/32.png) [@Lasciel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lasciel)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2014, 4:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s01e18-providence-open-spoilers/686229/89 "2014-04-18T16:06:55Z")
Playing total Devil’s Advocate here, but could the jumping be a support for the ‘blackmailed’ theory for Simmons? I mean, if she was poisoned and was going to die anyway, if she was a true Hydra agent, I would think taking down the Bus in a way that leaves no evidence that it was anything other than a terrible accident would be a great move. But if she is an unwilling double agent, then if she’s going to die anyway, then why not save her friends and SHIELD while she can? Hmmm… And I like the idea that none of the Hydra agents would know who else was Hydra other than the one person who recruited/bribed/blackmailed them. Makes me wonder, who was Simmons’ Hydra contact… Perhaps the head of that university that she called? That would be interesting. ---
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2014, 4:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s01e18-providence-open-spoilers/686229/90 "2014-04-18T16:11:04Z")
Depends on what her mission was. If she was instructed to discover Coulson’s secret, killing him wouldn’t accomplish that goal. Better to jump and let some other agent try again. Maybe they’re **all** HYDRA. Fury is the one pulling the strings, and in the last episode he’ll pull off his digital mask and reveal himself as Red Skull. ---
**Author:** ![Bozuit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/edb3f5/32.png) [@Bozuit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bozuit)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2014, 5:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s01e18-providence-open-spoilers/686229/91 "2014-04-18T17:15:24Z")
> [@GuanoLad](#): > > Was it me or were they implying Ward is actually gay? > [@levdrakon](#): > > Because of the line, “I’m everyone’s type?” I think that means a black hole would have a hard time swallowing his ego. > [@GuanoLad](#): > > He was also referred to as having a “straight version,” but I wasn’t sure if they meant in the sense of heterosexual, or just as a good guy. Probably the latter. I thought that would be an interesting twist at first, but I think it was just intended as a crude burn by Garrett. We know Ward’s into Skye. I suppose he could be bisexual, but I doubt it - making a joke about a bisexual person having a “straight version” for undercover work seems like less of a joke. > [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > A separate issue is all of the stuff that turned out to be waited in the Fridge after it had supposedly be shot out into space. Garrett said this was Fury’s idea rather than taking credit for it for Hydra. So was this a Hydra idea to hang on to these weapons? Or was Garrett telling the truth and Fury was lying to his own people? Sounds just like the Fury we know, to me. > [@sachertorte](#): > > I know I’m in the minority, but I liked SHIELD better during the ‘boring’ early season. The latest episodes are getting very Game of Thrones-y to me. I guess that’s good for SHIELD since Game of Thrones is so popular, but it isn’t my cup of tea. [spoiler]I hear next episode, Skye and May are going to get naked on camera while Fitz is due for a bloody decapitation by the breakaway Canadian faction of S.H.I.E.L.D. which declared independence during the HYDRA turmoil. Plus they’re going to spend a lot of time in some guy’s garden.[/spoiler] ---
**Author:** ![Amateur\_Barbarian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/59ef9b/32.png) [@Amateur\_Barbarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Amateur_Barbarian)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2014, 5:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s01e18-providence-open-spoilers/686229/92 "2014-04-18T17:53:41Z")
> [@Quimby](#): > > I mentioned in a previous thread you could make a series out of a team cleaning up all the stuff SHIELD collected over the years and it looks like that is what we are getting. I’d never known that Warehouse 13 existed in the Marvelverse. ---
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2014, 7:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s01e18-providence-open-spoilers/686229/93 "2014-04-18T19:36:09Z")
Casting news for the 4/29 episode: Maria Hill and Deathlok are both featured as characters ---
**Author:** ![levdrakon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/49beb7/32.png) [@levdrakon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/levdrakon)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2014, 7:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s01e18-providence-open-spoilers/686229/94 "2014-04-18T19:40:04Z")
> [@Amateur\_Barbarian](#): > > I’d never known that Warehouse 13 existed in the Marvelverse. Didn’t Garrett say “that’ll keep SHIELD busy” when he was releasing prisoners? Seems like a good set up for lots of stand alone eps while we wait for the build up to the next Marvel movie. ---
**Author:** ![simster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/simster/32/1047_2.png) [@simster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/simster)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2014, 8:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s01e18-providence-open-spoilers/686229/95 "2014-04-18T20:27:14Z")
> [@levdrakon](#): > > Didn’t Garrett say “that’ll keep SHIELD busy” when he was releasing prisoners? Seems like a good set up for lots of stand alone eps while we wait for the build up to the next Marvel movie. That was my take - we now know what Coulson and the friendly 4 will be doing. ---
**Author:** ![FlyingDragonFan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/c89c15/32.png) [@FlyingDragonFan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FlyingDragonFan)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2014, 8:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s01e18-providence-open-spoilers/686229/96 "2014-04-18T20:40:03Z")
I finally got the chance to go see _Winter Soldier_ on Wednesday, and then immediately went home and watched the two latest episodes of _AoS_, so I got the whole Hydra reveal in one big dose. I really enjoyed seeing the big picture reveal in _Winter Soldier_, and then seeing how it affected the little guys right after. It brought home how in \*WS \*we’re seeing how it affects the top brass, but made me ponder how it must have affected all the background characters. All those squads of soldiers and pairs of agents running around in _WS_ must have been going through the same thing as our team, not knowing what was really going on or who to trust. Marvel is killing it with their shared universe. > [@simster](#): > > That was my take - we now know what Coulson and the friendly 4 will be doing. My thoughts as well, probably a good portion of next season. ---
**Author:** ![What\_Exit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/what_exit/32/10652_2.png) [@What\_Exit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_Exit)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2014, 9:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s01e18-providence-open-spoilers/686229/97 "2014-04-18T21:38:04Z")
Isn’t there an excellent chance both vehicles on the Bus were down from the prior episodes fire-fight? ---
**Author:** ![pseudograph](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pseudograph/32/19768_2.png) [@pseudograph](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pseudograph)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2014, 11:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s01e18-providence-open-spoilers/686229/98 "2014-04-18T23:09:18Z")
> [@bienville](#): > > Pffft! When I was a kid I had to walk 7 miles to school everyday, then 7 miles back home. It was always snowing and I had to go uphill both ways. Whenever anyone asked me why I didn’t just use my mom’s flying car, I would always tell them flying cars are for pussies. That tired joke should only be used if you’re trying to make someone groan. But damn if that last sentence didn’t crack me up. ---
**Author:** ![Sir\_T-Cups](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ed655f/32.png) [@Sir\_T-Cups](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sir_T-Cups)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2014, 1:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s01e18-providence-open-spoilers/686229/99 "2014-04-19T01:09:28Z")
> [@MEBuckner](#): > > “Gimme an H!” > “Gimme a Y!” > “Gimme a D!” > “Gimme an R!” > “Gimme an A!” > “What’s that spell?” > “_ **HYDRA!** _” > “Out of the darkness!” > “Into the light!” > “Come on HYDRA!” > “Fight! Fight! Fight!” > > “Hey, let’s all put our hands together for those amazing Hydrettes! Now–who’s ready for some _SUPERRR-VILLAAAIIINY!_” How the hell did page 2 get this deep and NO ONE mention this?!? Bravo cuz this was friggin hilarious. I am in the camp that if Simmons is also HYDRA it would be a bit too much for me, it would bring me out of the “oh wow a bad guy was there the whole time!” cloud and into the “ok this is a TV show making it interesting” land. I LOVE Ward as HYDRA too and think he should stay that way. No coming back to the good guys because of a love for Skye, blech. ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2014, 3:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s01e18-providence-open-spoilers/686229/100 "2014-04-19T03:22:09Z")
Is it possible they realized Ward was miscast and are going to kill him off? In the beginning, it was obvious to me that they should have made Ward the Dethlok character and made J. August Richards play Ward. It’s too late to put Gunn(uh, I mean Richards) in the lead role, but it may not be too late to kill of the Ward character. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s01e18-providence-open-spoilers/686229.md?page=4) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s01e18-providence-open-spoilers/686229.md?page=6)