# Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D S01E19: The Only Light in the Darkness (open spoilers) **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [April 23, 2014, 2:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s01e19-the-only-light-in-the-darkness-open-spoilers/686730 "2014-04-23T02:01:09Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 14\ **Page:** 6
**Author:** ![Ethilrist](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ethilrist/32/4604_2.png) [@Ethilrist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ethilrist)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2014, 1:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s01e19-the-only-light-in-the-darkness-open-spoilers/686730/101 "2014-04-29T13:57:45Z")
Phil’s such a superhero wannabe that he has to have a Secret ID… And with the miracle which is Hollywood Casting, Amy Acker is young enough to be Clark Gregg’s daughter in Much Ado About Nothing, and old enough to be his girlfriend in SHIELD. Then again, in Branagh’s Much Ado, they were able to cast Denzel Washington and Keanu Reeves as brothers, so… I’m kind of hoping that Skye’s statement that the encryption is location-based is bullshit, and she could have decrypted it any time she wanted to. > [@vd](#): > > Well, she drove 500 miles\* to get to walking distance from the bunker. That could be Michigan, or it could be Ottawa. Maybe she’s RCMP. > > Is there something more Marvell-y that she could be[?] Department H has already been mentioned in AoS (End of the Beginning): > [@Alpha Flight Wiki](#): > > Within the Marvel Universe, Alpha Flight is described as “Canada’s answer to the Avengers.” Most team members have distinctly Canadian attributes, such as Inuit or First Nations heritage. Throughout most of its history, the team has worked for Department H, a fictional branch of Canada’s Department of National Defence that deals with super-powered villains. > [@C K Dexter Haven](#): > > And we do have Ward’s comment to Flower-Dress-Lady that Garrett “got him out of a hellhole.” Again, we needn’t trust what he says, but that would be inconsistent with Garrett being the older brother (who seems to have been a cause of the hellhole rather than an exit from it.) However, we have Ward’s statement that his parents were worse than his brother. ---
**Author:** ![Uncle\_Jocko](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/uncle_jocko/32/2932_2.png) [@Uncle\_Jocko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Uncle_Jocko)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2014, 3:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s01e19-the-only-light-in-the-darkness-open-spoilers/686730/102 "2014-04-29T15:30:16Z")
> [@muldoonthief](#): > > I completely disagree. Koenig was barely competent, which is why he was put in an out of the way, low probability bunker for months or years. You don’t put your top people in the emergency bunkers. \*\* And you don’t cast Patton Oswalt as a top, highly capable SHIELD agent either\*\*. Frankly, in my “every TV show exists in the same universe” theory, I’m fairly certain Agent Koenig is actually [the wizard Golgath](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5gs2VYL-3RI). I am with you there. Although Koenig’s quick draw of his pistol while Ward was in the machine almost made me change my view … until he put the gun away and handed out another lanyard. :smack: On the other hand, we also know Koenig was one of the very few agents who knew Fury was still alive, so … ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2014, 3:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s01e19-the-only-light-in-the-darkness-open-spoilers/686730/103 "2014-04-29T15:46:50Z")
> [@Ethilrist](#): > > I’m kind of hoping that Skye’s statement that the encryption is location-based is bullshit, and she could have decrypted it any time she wanted to. It seems unlikely. She said this before she suspected Ward of being a Hydra agent. (I’m assuming if she had had any unspoken suspicions she wouldn’t have let Coulson fly off and leave her behind with Ward.) ---
**Author:** ![JSexton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/96bed5/32.png) [@JSexton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JSexton)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2014, 3:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s01e19-the-only-light-in-the-darkness-open-spoilers/686730/104 "2014-04-29T15:48:35Z")
I was a little surprised that the whole “satellite view” ended up no mattering at all. I thought the whole point of it was that they’d see Garrett and Ward entering the Fridge in contradiction to Ward’s story. And then it…went nowhere. ---
**Author:** ![IvoryTowerDenizen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ivorytowerdenizen/32/17937_2.png) [@IvoryTowerDenizen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/IvoryTowerDenizen)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2014, 3:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s01e19-the-only-light-in-the-darkness-open-spoilers/686730/105 "2014-04-29T15:51:21Z")
> [@JSexton](#): > > I was a little surprised that the whole “satellite view” ended up no mattering at all. I thought the whole point of it was that they’d see Garrett and Ward entering the Fridge in contradiction to Ward’s story. And then it…went nowhere. That’s what prompted Ward to murder Koenig. Plus, we don’t know what the remaining team will see when they get back inside- it’s possible they’ll follow the trail to what Sky was doing and pull up the feed. ---
**Author:** ![Lightray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lightray/32/391_2.png) [@Lightray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lightray)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2014, 3:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s01e19-the-only-light-in-the-darkness-open-spoilers/686730/106 "2014-04-29T15:55:49Z")
Since Skye calmed down from her panic after noticing the changing-view “window” in the bathroom, and since she had _just_ commented about having access to the satellite feeds, my assumption was that she’ll have jiggered the “window” displays to show the feed from the Fridge that reveals Ward + Garrett there. ---
**Author:** ![Telemark](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/telemark/32/372_2.png) [@Telemark](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Telemark)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2014, 4:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s01e19-the-only-light-in-the-darkness-open-spoilers/686730/107 "2014-04-29T16:04:21Z")
> [@IvoryTowerDenizen](#): > > That’s what prompted Ward to murder Koenig. That was my take as well - there’s proof on those tapes that Ward is HYDRA so he had to kill Koenig right then. ---
**Author:** ![gonzoron](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/a6a055/32.png) [@gonzoron](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gonzoron)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2014, 4:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s01e19-the-only-light-in-the-darkness-open-spoilers/686730/108 "2014-04-29T16:16:13Z")
> [@Ethilrist](#): > > And with the miracle which is Hollywood Casting, Amy Acker is young enough to be Clark Gregg’s daughter in Much Ado About Nothing, and old enough to be his girlfriend in SHIELD. Niece, in Much Ado, actually, but yeah. Acker: 37, Gregg: 52. If he’d started early, she _could_ be his daughter. But the man has a receding hairline, a grueling, thankless job, and a (flying) convertible. A girlfriend young enough to be his daughter (or niece) is part of the standard midlife crisis package, no? ---
**Author:** ![Ethilrist](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ethilrist/32/4604_2.png) [@Ethilrist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ethilrist)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2014, 4:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s01e19-the-only-light-in-the-darkness-open-spoilers/686730/109 "2014-04-29T16:18:35Z")
Hey! Where’s my flying convertible??? ---
**Author:** ![Exapno\_Mapcase](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/exapno_mapcase/32/1051_2.png) [@Exapno\_Mapcase](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Exapno_Mapcase)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2014, 6:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s01e19-the-only-light-in-the-darkness-open-spoilers/686730/110 "2014-04-29T18:29:19Z")
> [@Telemark](#): > > That was my take as well - there’s proof on those tapes that Ward is HYDRA so he had to kill Koenig right then. We saw Koenig dripping blood. Earlier we saw Victoria Hand dripping blood and everybody kept asking is she could still be alive. Same question about Koenig. Do we know for sure he’s dead? ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2014, 7:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s01e19-the-only-light-in-the-darkness-open-spoilers/686730/111 "2014-04-29T19:36:18Z")
> [@Exapno\_Mapcase](#): > > We saw Koenig dripping blood. Earlier we saw Victoria Hand dripping blood and everybody kept asking is she could still be alive. > > Same question about Koenig. Do we know for sure he’s dead? It’s barely within the realm of possibility at this point but it was conceivable that Ward was a Shield mole penetrating Hydra. So there was a plausible reason to fake Hand’s killing in order to convince Garrett of his loyalty. I don’t see any similar situation here. Who would Ward being trying to fool by faking Koenig’s death? ---
**Author:** ![Ethilrist](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ethilrist/32/4604_2.png) [@Ethilrist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ethilrist)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2014, 7:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s01e19-the-only-light-in-the-darkness-open-spoilers/686730/112 "2014-04-29T19:44:35Z")
> [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > It’s barely within the realm of possibility at this point but it was conceivable that Ward was a Shield mole penetrating Hydra. So there was a plausible reason to fake Hand’s killing in order to convince Garrett of his loyalty. > > I don’t see any similar situation here. Who would Ward being trying to fool by faking Koenig’s death? Coulson? From what we’ve seen so far, if Koenig’s alive, it’s because Ward wants him alive. ---
**Author:** ![muldoonthief](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/muldoonthief/32/3188_2.png) [@muldoonthief](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/muldoonthief)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2014, 8:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s01e19-the-only-light-in-the-darkness-open-spoilers/686730/113 "2014-04-29T20:05:38Z")
Why would there be a scene of Ward, alone, cleaning his garrote if he had faked Koenig’s murder? ---
**Author:** ![JSexton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/96bed5/32.png) [@JSexton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JSexton)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2014, 8:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s01e19-the-only-light-in-the-darkness-open-spoilers/686730/114 "2014-04-29T20:27:06Z")
I don’t think Ward faking a kill on Koenig makes any sense. There’s a slim chance that Koenig survived the attack, I guess? Either Ward was rushed because he needed to get it done before Skye returned, or he’s got access to blue alien goo, or something like that. Doesn’t seem likely, though. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s01e19-the-only-light-in-the-darkness-open-spoilers/686730.md?page=5)