# Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D S01E22:Beginning of the End (open spoilers) **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [May 14, 2014, 2:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s01e22-beginning-of-the-end-open-spoilers/688406 "2014-05-14T02:44:07Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Face\_Intentionally\_Left\_Blank](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/face_intentionally_left_blank/32/288_2.png) [@Face\_Intentionally\_Left\_Blank](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Face_Intentionally_Left_Blank)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2014, 12:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s01e22-beginning-of-the-end-open-spoilers/688406/21 "2014-05-14T12:52:58Z")
> [@Push\_You\_Down](#): > > The Koenigs are definitely LMDs. Everyone throws around LMD as the first excuse for everything. Other then a funny throwaway line in The Avengers, we’ve had no evidence that they actually exist in the movie/series continuity. However, I think we’ve FINALLY found some LMD’s! Billy Koenig is sad that Eric passed away, but not enough, IMO, that they could be real brothers. Billy’s patter and introduction is remarkably like Eric’s, as well. I could see the Koenigs referring to themselves as brothers, though, even if LMD. The Koenigs are all stuck in a hole in the ground somewhere, guarding secret bases that may not see any traffic or real use for years. Kind of a rough assignment for a human, even if you assume they’re cycled out ever now and then. ---
**Author:** ![Telemark](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/telemark/32/372_2.png) [@Telemark](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Telemark)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2014, 12:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s01e22-beginning-of-the-end-open-spoilers/688406/22 "2014-05-14T12:59:51Z")
“Found it” Good episode, they gave us more resolution than I’d expected. Why throw away the Berzerker Staff?! The building collapsing isn’t going to destroy it and Hydra will have it again? Besides, it’s just wicked cool. to have. How many secret bases does Fury have? And how many copies of Patton Oswald? They didn’t show Coulson getting the Bus back; he likes that plane. Great end scene, very Joss. It was disturbing seeing Bill Paxton in ads for several new movies being shown during AoS. He looks like he’s a good guy in those movies as well. I didn’t like how the head of Cybertek seemed so gung-ho for his job if the only reason he was doing so was because his wife was being held. Either he believed in what he as doing or he didn’t. Mike/Deathlock will be back, but there was a strong Incredible Hulk/Bruce Banner feel to him walking off at the end of the episode. The Hulk doll was the perfect clue for that foreshadowing. Interesting set up for next season. I’ll be watching. Not sure I will invest in the Agent Carter series though. I’m also not interested in seeing the trials and tribulations of a director setting up a new agency so hopefully Joss and his team have a plan to avoid that. ---
**Author:** ![Sean\_Factotum](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/50afbb/32.png) [@Sean\_Factotum](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sean_Factotum)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2014, 1:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s01e22-beginning-of-the-end-open-spoilers/688406/23 "2014-05-14T13:01:12Z")
There’s really nothing I can say that hasn’t been pointed out above already. I didn’t remember Koenig (original) mentioning his brother until several hours after the show ended, so for awhile I was thinkng clone. But as **muldonnthief** pointed out, the explanation was given several episodes ago. Does anyone recognize that writing from any of the Marvel comic books? While it looks like a schematic of some type, I get the feeling that it’s not a technical drawing but a narrative of some type. I’m just not sure that I like the fact that the new Director of SHIELD has some kind of alien force/intelligence riding shotgun in his head. ---
**Author:** ![Sean\_Factotum](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/50afbb/32.png) [@Sean\_Factotum](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sean_Factotum)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2014, 1:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s01e22-beginning-of-the-end-open-spoilers/688406/24 "2014-05-14T13:02:34Z")
> [@Face\_Intentionally\_Left\_Blank](#): > > Billy Koenig is sad that Eric passed away, but not enough, IMO, that they could be real brothers. Billy’s patter and introduction is remarkably like Eric’s, as well. I could see the Koenigs referring to themselves as brothers, though, even if LMD. It really hasn’t been that long in screen time between the first Koenig’s death and when they meet the second one. Plausible to me that he just doesn’t know yet. ---
**Author:** ![Ethilrist](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ethilrist/32/4604_2.png) [@Ethilrist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ethilrist)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2014, 1:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s01e22-beginning-of-the-end-open-spoilers/688406/25 "2014-05-14T13:11:01Z")
> [@Sean\_Factotum](#): > > Does anyone recognize that writing from any of the Marvel comic books? While it looks like a schematic of some type, I get the feeling that it’s not a technical drawing but a narrative of some type. I’m just not sure that I like the fact that the new Director of SHIELD has some kind of alien force/intelligence riding shotgun in his head. It reminded me of the drawing they used in the first episode of _Alias_ to show how the bad guys’ evil agency was mapped out, so I figured it’s a future map of SHIELD’s organization. Which is kind of creepy, because Garrett had the idea first, but hey, he’s not going to be using it… free plan! ---
**Author:** ![DigitalC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ebca7d/32.png) [@DigitalC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DigitalC)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2014, 1:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s01e22-beginning-of-the-end-open-spoilers/688406/26 "2014-05-14T13:12:11Z")
> [@Sean\_Factotum](#): > > It really hasn’t been that long in screen time between the first Koenig’s death and when they meet the second one. Plausible to me that he just doesn’t know yet. Cept for the part where he specifically mentions Eric is dead. ---
**Author:** ![muldoonthief](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/muldoonthief/32/3188_2.png) [@muldoonthief](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/muldoonthief)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2014, 1:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s01e22-beginning-of-the-end-open-spoilers/688406/27 "2014-05-14T13:26:54Z")
> [@Telemark](#): > > I didn’t like how the head of Cybertek seemed so gung-ho for his job if the only reason he was doing so was because his wife was being held. Either he believed in what he as doing or he didn’t. I’m buying it. Maybe he’d been promised that once SHIELD was completely destroyed and/or he’d met certain goals, Cybertek would release them. And maybe he’d seen a few subordinates who hadn’t performed to standards find out exactly what happens when you drop out of the Incentive Program. ---
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2014, 1:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s01e22-beginning-of-the-end-open-spoilers/688406/28 "2014-05-14T13:33:16Z")
The drawings looked to me like a cross between a flow chart and an electrical circuit. Given that both Garrett and Coulson drew them, I’m going to go with some sort of alien programming ala _Species_. Billy knew Eric was _dead_, not just out of contact. Who would have told him that? Between all the military types, the super-soldiers, etc. the secret of Fury not being dead is pretty much blown. I also liked that May could throw the Berserker staff away. Nobody else could do that. The nail gun bugged me all night, but I thought of a logical sequence of events to explain it while in the shower this morning. Whew! 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Lightray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lightray/32/391_2.png) [@Lightray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lightray)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2014, 1:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s01e22-beginning-of-the-end-open-spoilers/688406/29 "2014-05-14T13:42:51Z")
> [@Lightray](#): > > … I’m thinking Skye might be an Eternal/Deviant as next-most-likely. Actually, I think there’s a better alternative for what Skye/Raina may be: [Inhumans](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inhumans). The Terragen Mists would explain Raina wanting to know what she will become, Skye’s parents turning into monsters, and Raina telling Ward that Skye could turn into a monster some day. _And_ I think the Inhumans were in with the Guardians of the Galaxy for the “War of Kings” storyline, so could be the movie tie-in there, too. ---
**Author:** ![Face\_Intentionally\_Left\_Blank](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/face_intentionally_left_blank/32/288_2.png) [@Face\_Intentionally\_Left\_Blank](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Face_Intentionally_Left_Blank)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2014, 1:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s01e22-beginning-of-the-end-open-spoilers/688406/30 "2014-05-14T13:48:30Z")
> [@muldoonthief](#): > > I’m buying it. Maybe he’d been promised that once SHIELD was completely destroyed and/or he’d met certain goals, Cybertek would release them. And maybe he’d seen a few subordinates who hadn’t performed to standards find out exactly what happens when you drop out of the Incentive Program. His reaction to the recruit brought in via the ‘incentives program’ was somewhat muted, like he wasn’t a big fan of it. Understandably. Seeing what happens when others do a bad job could cause him to throw himself into the job utterly. I could buy that. ---
**Author:** ![Sean\_Factotum](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/50afbb/32.png) [@Sean\_Factotum](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sean_Factotum)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2014, 1:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s01e22-beginning-of-the-end-open-spoilers/688406/31 "2014-05-14T13:50:26Z")
> [@DigitalC](#): > > Cept for the part where he specifically mentions Eric is dead. Well yeah, there is that.:smack: > [@silenus](#): > > The nail gun bugged me all night, but I thought of a logical sequence of events to explain it while in the shower this morning. Whew! 😉 I’m completely with you on thinking of May in the shower, but still trying to work in a nail gun. ---
**Author:** ![Ethilrist](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ethilrist/32/4604_2.png) [@Ethilrist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ethilrist)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2014, 1:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s01e22-beginning-of-the-end-open-spoilers/688406/32 "2014-05-14T13:51:58Z")
> [@silenus](#): > > The nail gun bugged me all night, but I thought of a logical sequence of events to explain it while in the shower this morning. Whew! 😉 What was initially wrong with the nail gun? ---
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2014, 1:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s01e22-beginning-of-the-end-open-spoilers/688406/33 "2014-05-14T13:52:47Z")
> [@Lightray](#): > > Actually, I think there’s a better alternative for what Skye/Raina may be: [Inhumans](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inhumans). The Terragen Mists would explain Raina wanting to know what she will become, Skye’s parents turning into monsters, and Raina telling Ward that Skye could turn into a monster some day. _And_ I think the Inhumans were in with the Guardians of the Galaxy for the “War of Kings” storyline, so could be the movie tie-in there, too. AV Club [agrees](http://www.avclub.com/tvclub/marvels-agents-shield-beginning-end-204649) with you. Could be interesting if that’s the way they go. What bothered me initially about the air gun was the fact that it was an _air gun_. Nobody puts one of those things down for the day without disconnecting the hose. Plus, where was the compressor? For one of those things to work, the compressor needs to be running. I didn’t see or hear one. The lights were out in the fight area. Who drops their tools and runs while turning out the lights and **not** turning off the compressor? ---
**Author:** ![StGermain](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/stgermain/32/2868_2.png) [@StGermain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/StGermain)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2014, 2:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s01e22-beginning-of-the-end-open-spoilers/688406/34 "2014-05-14T14:06:25Z")
What’s an LMD? StG ---
**Author:** ![muldoonthief](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/muldoonthief/32/3188_2.png) [@muldoonthief](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/muldoonthief)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2014, 2:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s01e22-beginning-of-the-end-open-spoilers/688406/35 "2014-05-14T14:07:44Z")
> [@silenus](#): > > What bothered me initially about the air gun was the fact that it was an _air gun_. Nobody puts one of those things down for the day without disconnecting the hose. Plus, where was the compressor? For one of those things to work, the compressor needs to be running. I didn’t see or hear one. The lights were out in the fight area. Who drops their tools and runs while turning out the lights and **not** turning off the compressor? You can definitely get a few shots out of the nailgun even if the compressor is turned off - the ones I’ve used had an air tank, and the compressor only cycles on when pressure in the tank drops enough to require it. And the lights were still on. All terrible practice, granted, but I’m guessing Cybertek doesn’t get a lot of OSHA inspections. ---
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2014, 2:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s01e22-beginning-of-the-end-open-spoilers/688406/36 "2014-05-14T14:16:57Z")
> [@muldoonthief](#): > > You can definitely get a few shots out of the nailgun even if the compressor is turned off - the ones I’ve used had an air tank, and the compressor only cycles on when pressure in the tank drops enough to require it. And the lights were still on. > > All terrible practice, granted, but I’m guessing Cybertek doesn’t get a lot of OSHA inspections. That’s what I worked out in the shower. Still didn’t explain the connected hose, until I remembered that the first inkling the construction workers probably had that things were amiss was a rocket blasting through a wall. That would certainly make **me** drop everything and run. **StGermain** - [Life Model Decoy](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Life_Model_Decoy). ---
**Author:** ![muldoonthief](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/muldoonthief/32/3188_2.png) [@muldoonthief](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/muldoonthief)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2014, 2:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s01e22-beginning-of-the-end-open-spoilers/688406/37 "2014-05-14T14:23:54Z")
> [@silenus](#): > > That’s what I worked out in the shower. Still didn’t explain the connected hose, until I remembered that the first inkling the construction workers probably had that things were amiss was a rocket blasting through a wall. That would certainly make **me** drop everything and run. If you want to get really nitpicky - why was there a 5 foot stretch where Ward threw May through the drywall where there weren’t metal studs installed? Who puts up the studs after the drywall? Just shoddy Hydra workmanship. ---
**Author:** ![Bill\_Door](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/50afbb/32.png) [@Bill\_Door](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bill_Door)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2014, 2:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s01e22-beginning-of-the-end-open-spoilers/688406/38 "2014-05-14T14:54:33Z")
> [@Telemark](#): > > (snip)I didn’t like how the head of Cybertek seemed so gung-ho for his job if the only reason he was doing so was because his wife was being held. Either he believed in what he as doing or he didn’t.(snip) They didn’t have time to work it in, but I got the feel that he was a little like the Mayor in Buffy, an affably evil guy. The kind of guy who can direct killing people on the job, but still have a softball league and the monthly birthday party for the department. ---
**Author:** ![Ethilrist](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ethilrist/32/4604_2.png) [@Ethilrist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ethilrist)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2014, 2:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s01e22-beginning-of-the-end-open-spoilers/688406/39 "2014-05-14T14:58:49Z")
> [@muldoonthief](#): > > If you want to get really nitpicky - why was there a 5 foot stretch where Ward threw May through the drywall where there weren’t metal studs installed? Who puts up the studs after the drywall? Just shoddy Hydra workmanship. Actually, that makes a certain amount of sense for a Hydra base. Heck, you just _know_ somebody’s going to get thrown the wall some day. At that point, paper shoji walls look pretty good. Keep repair costs and time to a minimum, and if the walls aren’t load-bearing, you don’t even need to close the building down while you’re doing repairs. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2014, 3:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s01e22-beginning-of-the-end-open-spoilers/688406/40 "2014-05-14T15:00:37Z")
Back when they were writing and recording this episode they must have been aware there was a pretty good chance it would the series finale as well as the season finale. So I like that they made an effort to wrap things up for the viewers rather than leave us with a cliffhanger. The part about Garrett coming back to life and then getting killed again made absolutely no sense. But I’m willing to let it slide because it was funny. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s01e22-beginning-of-the-end-open-spoilers/688406.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s01e22-beginning-of-the-end-open-spoilers/688406.md?page=3)