# Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D S01E22:Beginning of the End (open spoilers) **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [May 14, 2014, 2:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s01e22-beginning-of-the-end-open-spoilers/688406 "2014-05-14T02:44:07Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 6
**Author:** ![foolsguinea](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/foolsguinea/32/14751_2.png) [@foolsguinea](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/foolsguinea)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2014, 5:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s01e22-beginning-of-the-end-open-spoilers/688406/101 "2014-05-16T05:10:04Z")
> [@mage-girl](#): > > Ward will be back, I’m sure. He knows too much to not be used as a resource. They could attempt to redeem him - He didn’t actually kill anyone on Coulson’s team, did he? So for narrative purposes, he hasn’t killed anyone the audience was emotionally invested in. I don’t know. He may have gone easy on Coulson’s team, but he killed a lot of other SHIELDies, including Victoria Hand. Not a good guy to have in your organization. ---
**Author:** ![mage-girl](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/cc9497/32.png) [@mage-girl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mage-girl)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2014, 5:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s01e22-beginning-of-the-end-open-spoilers/688406/102 "2014-05-16T05:57:30Z")
> [@foolsguinea](#): > > I don’t know. He may have gone easy on Coulson’s team, but he killed a lot of other SHIELDies, including Victoria Hand. Not a good guy to have in your organization. Darn it, I’d forgotten all about Victoria! She was starting to grow on me, too. :smack: If they try to redeem Ward - and I’m not so sure they SHOULD - it should take a long, long time. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2014, 8:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s01e22-beginning-of-the-end-open-spoilers/688406/103 "2014-05-16T08:04:13Z")
I don’t see any chance of Ward being redeemed back into Shield. But I think there will be a Darth Vader-style redemption arc. Ward will return and will end up sacrificing himself to save somebody (probably Skye). So he’ll die but he’ll nominally die as a good guy (assuming, like Darth Vader, that you’re willing to overlook all the people he killed while he was still on the Dark Side.) [Redemption Equals Death](http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/RedemptionEqualsDeath). ---
**Author:** ![Telemark](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/telemark/32/372_2.png) [@Telemark](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Telemark)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2014, 12:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s01e22-beginning-of-the-end-open-spoilers/688406/104 "2014-05-16T12:13:17Z")
> [@foolsguinea](#): > > I don’t know. He may have gone easy on Coulson’s team, but he killed a lot of other SHIELDies, including Victoria Hand. Not a good guy to have in your organization. He killed Koenig 1.0, who wasn’t quite part of the team. But if 2.0 sticks around then it would be pretty tense. And Fitz is brain damaged, he tried to kill Simmons, and both May and Skye hate his guts. Awkward. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/the_other_waldo_pepper/32/12370_2.png) [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Other_Waldo_Pepper)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2014, 12:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s01e22-beginning-of-the-end-open-spoilers/688406/105 "2014-05-16T12:32:23Z")
> [@Telemark](#): > > And Fitz is brain damaged, he tried to kill Simmons, and both May and Skye hate his guts. I read that wrong. ---
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2014, 12:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s01e22-beginning-of-the-end-open-spoilers/688406/106 "2014-05-16T12:56:27Z")
With Garrett disintegrated, Ward doesn’t have a friend left on the planet. Even Raina is iffy about him. I see him next season more as a wild card who occasionally pops up to cause trouble. Any silly redemption arc needs to wait until Season 7 or so, after he has been largely written out of the show for 6 years. ---
**Author:** ![Telemark](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/telemark/32/372_2.png) [@Telemark](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Telemark)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2014, 1:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s01e22-beginning-of-the-end-open-spoilers/688406/107 "2014-05-16T13:19:49Z")
> [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](#): > > I read that wrong. Pronoun trouble. ---
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2014, 1:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s01e22-beginning-of-the-end-open-spoilers/688406/108 "2014-05-16T13:33:54Z")
That might be a mini-arc next season. Fitz is crippled, so he uses some HYDRA tech the team recovers to try to “fix” himself. Wackiness ensues. ---
**Author:** ![Mollie\_Magill](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mollie_magill/32/20882_2.png) [@Mollie\_Magill](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mollie_Magill)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2014, 2:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s01e22-beginning-of-the-end-open-spoilers/688406/109 "2014-05-16T14:38:40Z")
One of us needs his Wackiness Meter recalibrated. ---
**Author:** ![JSexton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/96bed5/32.png) [@JSexton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JSexton)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2014, 3:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s01e22-beginning-of-the-end-open-spoilers/688406/110 "2014-05-16T15:29:15Z")
> [@dropzone](#): > > Much like Fitz’s technobabble explaining why a sealed, air-filled box with no space for ballast tanks sank instead of bobbing on the surface. Yeah, I was wondering about this. It seemed to be an expressly designed escape pod, right? given that it was filled with medical equipment. It wasn’t just a random storage bay that could be jettisoned. So why on earth wouldn’t it be designed to float? Ejecting over water is the only way it makes sense to use it, as ejecting over land is just going to squish you. ---
**Author:** ![Cyros](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/a698b9/32.png) [@Cyros](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cyros)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2014, 3:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s01e22-beginning-of-the-end-open-spoilers/688406/111 "2014-05-16T15:34:47Z")
> [@JSexton](#): > > Yeah, I was wondering about this. It seemed to be an expressly designed escape pod, right? given that it was filled with medical equipment. It wasn’t just a random storage bay that could be jettisoned. So why on earth wouldn’t it be designed to float? Ejecting over water is the only way it makes sense to use it, as ejecting over land is just going to squish you. It was not designed as an escape pod. Think of it more as a prefab room that can be swapped out of the Bus depending on mission requirements. Going on a rescue and it can be a medical bay, doing certain experiments and it can be a purpose built lab, flying around with some VIPs and it can be a lounge, etc. Of course, none of that explains why, given the ability to eject from the craft in flight, they do not design escape pod functionality into it. ---
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2014, 3:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s01e22-beginning-of-the-end-open-spoilers/688406/112 "2014-05-16T15:35:07Z")
I don’t think it was designed to be ejected so much as it was designed to be slid out the side of the plane for replacement. It looked like a modular unit that could be swapped for another one quickly with a minimum of equipment. That’s why it went out the side of the plane rather than out the bottom. ---
**Author:** ![bienville](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/4bbf92/32.png) [@bienville](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bienville)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2014, 4:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s01e22-beginning-of-the-end-open-spoilers/688406/113 "2014-05-16T16:19:27Z")
> [@silenus](#): > > Ward doesn’t have a friend left on the planet. Even Raina is iffy about him. I see him next season more as a wild card who occasionally pops up to cause trouble. Ward needs some kind of motivation to cause trouble. He would have to be causing trouble as a means to advance a personal goal. Problem with that: Ward has _never_ had any personal goals, he has only served Garrett. With Garrett gone, and since he had no ideological allegiance to HYDRA, Ward really has no reason for any action whatsoever. Honestly, I expect Ward to spend the rest of his years stationed with Chuck Cunningham and Moira Kelly’s character from the first season of _The West Wing_. The fans never really liked him anyway. ---
**Author:** ![muldoonthief](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/muldoonthief/32/3188_2.png) [@muldoonthief](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/muldoonthief)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2014, 5:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s01e22-beginning-of-the-end-open-spoilers/688406/114 "2014-05-16T17:55:33Z")
> [@silenus](#): > > I don’t think it was designed to be ejected so much as it was designed to be slid out the side of the plane for replacement. It looked like a modular unit that could be swapped for another one quickly with a minimum of equipment. That’s why it went out the side of the plane rather than out the bottom. With only a software interlock to prevent ejection while in flight, which apparently can be disabled by an idiot. Remember kids, only trust hardware interlocks! ---
**Author:** ![levdrakon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/49beb7/32.png) [@levdrakon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/levdrakon)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2014, 6:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s01e22-beginning-of-the-end-open-spoilers/688406/115 "2014-05-16T18:01:21Z")
I think Ward is more interesting now and I wouldn’t mind if they kept him around. Not on the team, but maybe as a good/bad guy whose plans (when he finally gets some) intersect with the main team’s plans occasionally. They could be after him but then have to work with him sometimes, etc. ---
**Author:** ![What\_Exit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/what_exit/32/10652_2.png) [@What\_Exit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_Exit)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2014, 6:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s01e22-beginning-of-the-end-open-spoilers/688406/116 "2014-05-16T18:27:20Z")
> [@silenus](#): > > They never showed anybody carrying Garrett’s body anywhere. He made it on pluck and determination. > > “You got it, didn’t you?” “Totally.” > > “That was for the fall of an Avenger.” “Exactly.” > > Loving the return of Patton Oswalt. LMD, anyone? Absolutely loved seeing him come back and Garrett disintegrated. I was really bummed when Oswalt was killed off so quickly. It was an excellent season finale and I also was surprised by how much Samuel L. Jackson time we got. ---
**Author:** ![levdrakon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/49beb7/32.png) [@levdrakon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/levdrakon)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2014, 6:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s01e22-beginning-of-the-end-open-spoilers/688406/117 "2014-05-16T18:48:47Z")
There was something odd about SLJ’s performance and scenes though. It wasn’t until he was in the same scene fighting Garrett that I believed he was even on the same set at the same time as the others. ---
**Author:** ![Mr.Excellent](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f19dbf/32.png) [@Mr.Excellent](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mr.Excellent)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2014, 6:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s01e22-beginning-of-the-end-open-spoilers/688406/118 "2014-05-16T18:59:46Z")
> [@StGermain](#): > > Actually, to me it makes perfect sense. Ward has become so psychologically dependent on Garrett that he _needs_ Garrett’s direction. When Garrett says, “Do what _you_ want”, he’s throw adrift, because he hasn’t had a want that wasn’t Garrett’s in the last 15 years. What interested me about this beat was that, for all that Garrett had clearly gone Even More Crazy/Evil, he also seemed sincerely concerned about what Ward wanted, and sincere when he said that he would help Ward to get it once he figured that out. Old Garrett was more-or-less entirely _using_ Ward, but Crazy Garrett might have actually been better for him. Well, until he destroyed the world. ---
**Author:** ![Intergalactic\_Gladiator](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/intergalactic_gladiator/32/112_2.png) [@Intergalactic\_Gladiator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Intergalactic_Gladiator)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2014, 7:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s01e22-beginning-of-the-end-open-spoilers/688406/119 "2014-05-16T19:30:55Z")
> [@levdrakon](#): > > There was something odd about SLJ’s performance and scenes though. It wasn’t until he was in the same scene fighting Garrett that I believed he was even on the same set at the same time as the others. I noticed that as well. The big fight scene seemed a little off because Coulson was thrown into some equipment, then he stood there and made some quips with Fury, and then there was some back and forth with Garrett but they never really interacted. I would imagine it’s all because of scheduling and whatnot, but it seemed really odd. ---
**Author:** ![JSexton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/96bed5/32.png) [@JSexton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JSexton)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2014, 8:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s01e22-beginning-of-the-end-open-spoilers/688406/120 "2014-05-16T20:31:04Z")
> [@levdrakon](#): > > There was something odd about SLJ’s performance and scenes though. It wasn’t until he was in the same scene fighting Garrett that I believed he was even on the same set at the same time as the others. Yeah, at first I wondered if it was a different actor with some prosthetic to resemble Jackson, and literally-phoned-in lines dubbed over the top. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s01e22-beginning-of-the-end-open-spoilers/688406.md?page=5) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s01e22-beginning-of-the-end-open-spoilers/688406.md?page=7)