# Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D S01E22:Beginning of the End (open spoilers) **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [May 14, 2014, 2:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s01e22-beginning-of-the-end-open-spoilers/688406 "2014-05-14T02:44:07Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 7
**Author:** ![Oakminster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/77aa72/32.png) [@Oakminster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Oakminster)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2014, 8:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s01e22-beginning-of-the-end-open-spoilers/688406/121 "2014-05-16T20:52:01Z")
> [@levdrakon](#): > > I think Ward is more interesting now and I wouldn’t mind if they kept him around. Not on the team, but maybe as a good/bad guy whose plans (when he finally gets some) intersect with the main team’s plans occasionally. They could be after him but then have to work with him sometimes, etc. Ward’s going to–whatever facility replaced The Fridge–as the supermax prison for the Marvel Universe. Getting him out would take a major jailbreak, possibly with super villain assistance. There’s a few baddies running around that could possibly do it, so maybe it will be part of the arc next season. Might even make a good cliffhanger for mid-season or the next season finale… ---
**Author:** ![Lightray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lightray/32/391_2.png) [@Lightray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lightray)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2014, 8:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s01e22-beginning-of-the-end-open-spoilers/688406/122 "2014-05-16T20:55:21Z")
> [@JSexton](#): > > Yeah, at first I wondered if it was a different actor with some prosthetic to resemble Jackson, and literally-phoned-in lines dubbed over the top. More likely, they didn’t want to run up the insurance budget to cover Jackson actually doing any sort of stunt work on set. So while Gregg was getting tossed around, Jackson was standing around – safely out of the way of potential injuries. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2014, 8:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s01e22-beginning-of-the-end-open-spoilers/688406/123 "2014-05-17T08:00:30Z")
It wouldn’t surprise me if they set up everything in advance so Jackson could appear and record all of his scenes in a day or maybe two. So the studio probably intentionally used the most minimal shooting techniques so they could just have Jackson stand in one place and deliver his lines without having to work out camera movement. ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2014, 8:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s01e22-beginning-of-the-end-open-spoilers/688406/124 "2014-05-17T08:15:19Z")
> [@silenus](#): > > I don’t think it was designed to be ejected so much as it was designed to be slid out the side of the plane for replacement. It looked like a modular unit that could be swapped for another one quickly with a minimum of equipment. > [@Cyros](#): > > It was not designed as an escape pod. Think of it more as a prefab room that can be swapped out of the Bus depending on mission requirements. Going on a rescue and it can be a medical bay, doing certain experiments and it can be a purpose built lab, flying around with some VIPs and it can be a lounge, etc. > [@JSexton](#): > > It wasn’t just a random storage bay that could be jettisoned. I can see [Thunderbirds](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lMEuEF9-UbU) wasn’t big over there…that would be my go-to reference for this functionality. Of course, _their_ pods could float. ---
**Author:** ![dropzone](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dropzone/32/7515_2.png) [@dropzone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dropzone)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2014, 8:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s01e22-beginning-of-the-end-open-spoilers/688406/125 "2014-05-17T20:02:35Z")
> [@JSexton](#): > > So why on earth wouldn’t it be designed to float? It was a lab unit, sealed to keep microbes in or out. It wasn’t designed to float. It just would. ---
**Author:** ![C\_K\_Dexter\_Haven](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/b2d939/32.png) [@C\_K\_Dexter\_Haven](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/C_K_Dexter_Haven)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2014, 11:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s01e22-beginning-of-the-end-open-spoilers/688406/126 "2014-05-17T23:46:11Z")
> [@dropzone](#): > > It was a lab unit, sealed to keep microbes in or out. It wasn’t designed to float. It just would. Well, of course it floats if it’s just wood. ---
**Author:** ![Oakminster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/77aa72/32.png) [@Oakminster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Oakminster)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2014, 12:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s01e22-beginning-of-the-end-open-spoilers/688406/127 "2014-05-18T00:43:35Z")
> [@C\_K\_Dexter\_Haven](#): > > Well, of course it floats if it’s just wood. Nah. It weighs more than a duck. ---
**Author:** ![DigitalC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ebca7d/32.png) [@DigitalC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DigitalC)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2014, 4:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s01e22-beginning-of-the-end-open-spoilers/688406/128 "2014-05-18T16:20:31Z")
Would the people who worked for the bad guys because of the “incentives program” be considered criminals or victims? ---
**Author:** ![amanset](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/8dc957/32.png) [@amanset](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/amanset)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2014, 7:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s01e22-beginning-of-the-end-open-spoilers/688406/129 "2014-05-18T19:01:11Z")
> [@AK84](#): > > I do hope that they have a way of bringing Bill Paxton back. He was awesome. God I hope not. Hands down he was the worst thing about the latter half of the season. His terrible over-acting was completely out of place. ---
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2014, 7:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s01e22-beginning-of-the-end-open-spoilers/688406/130 "2014-05-18T19:10:44Z")
I disagree. His over-the-top scenery-chewing was just what the series needed to kick it into Marvel-land. ---
**Author:** ![levdrakon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/49beb7/32.png) [@levdrakon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/levdrakon)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2014, 7:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s01e22-beginning-of-the-end-open-spoilers/688406/131 "2014-05-18T19:17:17Z")
> [@amanset](#): > > God I hope not. Hands down he was the worst thing about the latter half of the season. His terrible over-acting was completely out of place. It was very comic book. Whenever I read old comics, I’m amazed at the over the top monologuing. ---
**Author:** ![amanset](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/8dc957/32.png) [@amanset](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/amanset)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2014, 9:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s01e22-beginning-of-the-end-open-spoilers/688406/132 "2014-05-18T21:22:31Z")
> [@levdrakon](#): > > It was very comic book. Whenever I read old comics, I’m amazed at the over the top monologuing. It was the way he did it, not the concept. He just acted badly. ---
**Author:** ![amanset](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/8dc957/32.png) [@amanset](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/amanset)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2014, 9:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s01e22-beginning-of-the-end-open-spoilers/688406/133 "2014-05-18T21:23:53Z")
> [@silenus](#): > > I disagree. His over-the-top scenery-chewing was just what the series needed to kick it into Marvel-land. They should, however, picked someone that could act. Or at least felt like trying. ---
**Author:** ![levdrakon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/49beb7/32.png) [@levdrakon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/levdrakon)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2014, 9:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s01e22-beginning-of-the-end-open-spoilers/688406/134 "2014-05-18T21:33:45Z")
> [@amanset](#): > > It was the way he did it, not the concept. He just acted badly. I feel the same way about Samuel Jackson. ---
**Author:** ![Face\_Intentionally\_Left\_Blank](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/face_intentionally_left_blank/32/288_2.png) [@Face\_Intentionally\_Left\_Blank](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Face_Intentionally_Left_Blank)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2014, 12:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s01e22-beginning-of-the-end-open-spoilers/688406/135 "2014-05-19T00:29:22Z")
> [@amanset](#): > > God I hope not. Hands down he was the worst thing about the latter half of the season. His terrible over-acting was completely out of place. Huh. I didn’t think he over-acted until he “saw the universe” or whatever, and maybe a little comic-book crazy is what’s needed at that point. I enjoyed him before he was revealed to be HYDRA, and even after. His short monologue before being ‘sploded reminded me of his"finger-LICKIN’ good" scene in _Near Dark_, in a good way. ---
**Author:** ![Sean\_Factotum](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/50afbb/32.png) [@Sean\_Factotum](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sean_Factotum)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2014, 5:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s01e22-beginning-of-the-end-open-spoilers/688406/136 "2014-05-19T17:22:12Z")
> [@Oakminster](#): > > Ward’s going to–whatever facility replaced The Fridge–as the supermax prison for the Marvel Universe. Getting him out would take a major jailbreak, possibly with super villain assistance. There’s a few baddies running around that could possibly do it, so maybe it will be part of the arc next season. Might even make a good cliffhanger for mid-season or the next season finale… It looks like there’s going to be a lot more to the Ward story next season. From Maurissa Tancharoen, and reported on io9 (and forgive me if this has apready been posted here): _In a way, there’s a nice parallel between Agent Ward and Agent Coulson, two men who’ve sort of been stripped of everything they’ve believed in and are left with nothing — all of them, collectively, are searching for their purpose. What is the purpose of S.H.I.E.L.D.? How will they define themselves now? Now that Garrett is gone, what does that mean for Ward? Will he come to something on his own? That is something we hope to explore in Season 2._ ---
**Author:** ![levdrakon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/49beb7/32.png) [@levdrakon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/levdrakon)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2014, 7:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s01e22-beginning-of-the-end-open-spoilers/688406/137 "2014-05-19T19:49:34Z")
> [@Sean\_Factotum](#): > > It looks like there’s going to be a lot more to the Ward story next season. From Maurissa Tancharoen, and reported on io9 (and forgive me if this has apready been posted here): > > _In a way, there’s a nice parallel between Agent Ward and Agent Coulson, two men who’ve sort of been stripped of everything they’ve believed in and are left with nothing — all of them, collectively, are searching for their purpose. What is the purpose of S.H.I.E.L.D.? How will they define themselves now? Now that Garrett is gone, what does that mean for Ward? Will he come to something on his own? That is something we hope to explore in Season 2._ That’s good news. Getting Ward out of prison won’t be difficult for the writers. I hope he doesn’t become a crazed Skye stalker like the guy who was after the cellist. Could be though, since that’s the last direction Garrett gave him. ---
**Author:** ![muldoonthief](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/muldoonthief/32/3188_2.png) [@muldoonthief](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/muldoonthief)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2014, 8:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s01e22-beginning-of-the-end-open-spoilers/688406/138 "2014-05-19T20:08:44Z")
I’d guess that Skye’s parent has Raina break Ward out of SHIELD prison, and he’s tasked with bringing Skye back to him/her. Either that, or Talbott uses Ward to help him track down Coulson. After all, there’s been nothing to indicate the US govt. or WSC has reversed their position on SHIELD. I think the team will still be dodging other security organizations all next season. ---
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2014, 8:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s01e22-beginning-of-the-end-open-spoilers/688406/139 "2014-05-19T20:24:06Z")
> [@muldoonthief](#): > > After all, there’s been nothing to indicate the US govt. or WSC has reversed their position on SHIELD. Except the fact that Triplett called in the Air Force to take over Cybertek after Our Heroes broke everything. There were military-types all over, and nobody seemed to be after SHIELD people. Personally, I hope the first episode of next season shows Ward stepping in front of a speeding train entirely by accident. ---
**Author:** ![muldoonthief](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/muldoonthief/32/3188_2.png) [@muldoonthief](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/muldoonthief)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2014, 8:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s01e22-beginning-of-the-end-open-spoilers/688406/140 "2014-05-19T20:34:45Z")
Yeah, except for that I guess. Maybe Triplett had a backup NSA identity or something. Or he called May’s mother. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s01e22-beginning-of-the-end-open-spoilers/688406.md?page=6) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s01e22-beginning-of-the-end-open-spoilers/688406.md?page=8)