# Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D S02E02: Heavy Is The Head (open spoilers) **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [October 1, 2014, 4:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s02e02-heavy-is-the-head-open-spoilers/700053 "2014-10-01T04:27:51Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![muldoonthief](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/muldoonthief/32/3188_2.png) [@muldoonthief](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/muldoonthief)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2014, 4:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s02e02-heavy-is-the-head-open-spoilers/700053/21 "2014-10-01T16:59:56Z")
> [@RikWriter](#): > > I wonder just what the hell Kyle McLachlan is supposed to be? > Inhuman? Part-Kree? Or what? The Kwisatz Haderach. ---
**Author:** ![Darth\_Panda](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ee7513/32.png) [@Darth\_Panda](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Darth_Panda)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2014, 6:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s02e02-heavy-is-the-head-open-spoilers/700053/22 "2014-10-01T18:02:14Z")
> [@AK84](#): > > Why the fuck did great hire Lucy Lawless, only to kill her within one episode! Because Joss Whedon. ---
**Author:** ![Telemark](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/telemark/32/372_2.png) [@Telemark](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Telemark)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2014, 6:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s02e02-heavy-is-the-head-open-spoilers/700053/23 "2014-10-01T18:13:14Z")
> [@AK84](#): > > Why the fuck did great hire Lucy Lawless, only to kill her within one episode! And have her cut her own arm off before she dies?! I think somehow she’ll be back. ---
**Author:** ![Lightray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lightray/32/391_2.png) [@Lightray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lightray)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2014, 6:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s02e02-heavy-is-the-head-open-spoilers/700053/24 "2014-10-01T18:27:36Z")
> [@Intergalactic\_Gladiator](#): > > I think whenever Billy Koenig isn’t on screen all the other characters should stand around and say “Where’s Billy Koenig?” Coulson specifically mentioned “When Koenig gets back…” when giving orders to prepare for possible evacuation if they were betrayed to Brigadier Adrian Nazihaircut. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2014, 7:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s02e02-heavy-is-the-head-open-spoilers/700053/25 "2014-10-01T19:14:18Z")
> [@silenus](#): > > Coulson said he was off trying to secure a source of fuel and supplies for the base and its expanded roster of SHIELDites. Okay, I missed that. See? I don’t ask for much. Just a line of exposition. ---
**Author:** ![Misnomer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/misnomer/32/14897_2.png) [@Misnomer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Misnomer)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2014, 7:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s02e02-heavy-is-the-head-open-spoilers/700053/26 "2014-10-01T19:27:26Z")
> [@gonzoron](#): > > Kicking myself for not recognizing Reed Diamond. I knew I knew “Whitehall” from somewhere and couldn’t place him. Yay for another Whedonverse alum! I recognized him right away, both from the Whedonverse and because he’s currently appearing on _Franklin & Bash_. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![randwill](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/a3d4f5/32.png) [@randwill](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/randwill)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2014, 7:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s02e02-heavy-is-the-head-open-spoilers/700053/27 "2014-10-01T19:37:37Z")
> [@AK84](#): > > Why the fuck did great hire Lucy Lawless, only to kill her within one episode! I seriously doubt her character is gone. She’ll be back. Either as a twin, a clone, an android, an alien or “Oh, she just looked dead but it was only a scratch and we pretended to bury her to fake out the bad guys for some mysterious reason.” Also, blue alien serum. ---
**Author:** ![emarkp](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/3be4f8/32.png) [@emarkp](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/emarkp)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2014, 8:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s02e02-heavy-is-the-head-open-spoilers/700053/28 "2014-10-01T20:05:13Z")
> [@Telemark](#): > > And have her cut her own arm off before she dies?! > > I think somehow she’ll be back. Perhaps like Nick Fury, she’ll be back in the last episode of the season, to wrap up this arc or set up the next one. ---
**Author:** ![Quimby](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/22d042/32.png) [@Quimby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Quimby)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2014, 9:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s02e02-heavy-is-the-head-open-spoilers/700053/29 "2014-10-01T21:11:06Z")
I was not paying the closest attention but I completely missed why the English dude’s betrayal was forgiven seconds after he did it. What did I miss? ---
**Author:** ![Telemark](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/telemark/32/372_2.png) [@Telemark](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Telemark)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2014, 9:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s02e02-heavy-is-the-head-open-spoilers/700053/30 "2014-10-01T21:25:29Z")
> [@Quimby](#): > > I was not paying the closest attention but I completely missed why the English dude’s betrayal was forgiven seconds after he did it. What did I miss? He wanted to kill Creel for offing Lucy Lawless. He wasn’t turning on SHIELD really, just trying to get them out of the way so he could get revenge. Coulson could admire that (I think he pretty much expected that) and he’s a good field operative. He’s an agent who breaks the rules to do what needs to be done, but with a heart of gold and a strong sense of right and wrong. Shaft - can you dig it? ---
**Author:** ![DigitalC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ebca7d/32.png) [@DigitalC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DigitalC)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2014, 11:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s02e02-heavy-is-the-head-open-spoilers/700053/31 "2014-10-01T23:02:24Z")
I think the fact that he could have really betrayed SHIELD to Talbot but didn’t counted for plenty too. ---
**Author:** ![BrianJ](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/54ee81/32.png) [@BrianJ](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrianJ)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2014, 12:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s02e02-heavy-is-the-head-open-spoilers/700053/32 "2014-10-02T00:23:25Z")
So did anyone look at the spoilerific preview for next week’s episode? Apparently Simmons is Hydra. I’m hoping it’s a fake out. I don’t want them to add another betrayal. we’ve had enough of those for a while! ---
**Author:** ![Lightray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lightray/32/391_2.png) [@Lightray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lightray)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2014, 12:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s02e02-heavy-is-the-head-open-spoilers/700053/33 "2014-10-02T00:53:52Z")
> [@randwill](#): > > I seriously doubt her character is gone. She’ll be back. Either as a twin, a clone, an android, an alien or “Oh, she just looked dead but it was only a scratch and we pretended to bury her to fake out the bad guys for some mysterious reason.” Also, blue alien serum. I thought it was a pretty obvious set-up for her return as a new supervillain. She’ll return, Evil, play upon the loyalties established for Merc-With-A-Heart-Of-Gold, and after angsting over it, he’ll choose to save the team. Although _that_ will occur after a fakeout right before a cut to commercial, and we’ll only find out his _real_ decision after the commercial break. (There will be quipping, too, mark my words.) Anyway, the whole scenario bakes in character development for the new character, and gives them Lucy Lawless as a recurring foe. Win-win. > [@BrianJ](#): > > So did anyone look at the spoilerific preview for next week’s episode? > > Apparently Simmons is Hydra. > > I’m hoping it’s a fake out. I don’t want them to add another betrayal. we’ve had enough of those for a while! Either way, I’m convinced they’re trolling the fans. At the end of last season, every online discussion was awash with the “Simmons is HYDRA!” speculation. It must have been an irresistible temptation for the writers… ---
**Author:** ![Push\_You\_Down](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/push_you_down/32/9095_2.png) [@Push\_You\_Down](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Push_You_Down)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2014, 1:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s02e02-heavy-is-the-head-open-spoilers/700053/34 "2014-10-02T01:23:20Z")
It seems obvious from trailers that she’s working deep cover at Coulson’s request. Especially considering (upcoming Marvel character appearance) Mockingbird/Bobbi Morse being introduced as head of HYDRA security. I think Simmons will be found out as a SHIELD mole and Morse will have to “deal” with her but it just leads to them both escaping and rejoining SHIELD I do really love the “fan favorite actor brought on to be killed” trope… I don’t want to see Lucy Lawless again on the show. It always reminds me of the original plan for LOST (Michael Keaton as Jack and touted as the star of the show but gets killed half-way through the first episode just to mess with viewers) I actually don’t care for the Hunter character. I’d rather they let Trip be the new “man of action” on the team rather than Skye’s new buddy. ---
**Author:** ![DigitalC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ebca7d/32.png) [@DigitalC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DigitalC)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2014, 1:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s02e02-heavy-is-the-head-open-spoilers/700053/35 "2014-10-02T01:32:20Z")
> [@BrianJ](#): > > So did anyone look at the spoilerific preview for next week’s episode? > > Apparently Simmons is Hydra. > > I’m hoping it’s a fake out. I don’t want them to add another betrayal. we’ve had enough of those for a while! Part of the preview also looked like they were using some sort of brain wash thing on someone (holding their eyes open), and Coulson saying he was tired of losing their best and brightest. It might not be undercover, it might be involuntary. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2014, 2:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s02e02-heavy-is-the-head-open-spoilers/700053/36 "2014-10-02T02:50:20Z")
> [@BrianJ](#): > > So did anyone look at the spoilerific preview for next week’s episode? [spoiler]I think it’s a fake. They wouldn’t put a reveal like this in the preview. Besides I predicted she was Hydra months ago and my predictions about this show are always wrong. Which, when you think about it, means my prediction that the preview is a fake will be wrong.[/spoiler] ---
**Author:** ![Declan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ecae2f/32.png) [@Declan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Declan)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2014, 3:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s02e02-heavy-is-the-head-open-spoilers/700053/37 "2014-10-02T03:57:15Z")
> [@AK84](#): > > Why the fuck did great hire Lucy Lawless, only to kill her within one episode! Chekovs gun Seems Hartley has a sister, very close and im guessing twin. Declan ---
**Author:** ![Push\_You\_Down](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/push_you_down/32/9095_2.png) [@Push\_You\_Down](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Push_You_Down)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2014, 5:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s02e02-heavy-is-the-head-open-spoilers/700053/38 "2014-10-02T05:44:47Z")
We saw the sister in this episode–both in the photo and at the funeral. Not a twin. ---
**Author:** ![tripthicket](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tripthicket/32/297_2.png) [@tripthicket](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tripthicket)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2014, 6:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s02e02-heavy-is-the-head-open-spoilers/700053/39 "2014-10-02T06:42:06Z")
We still don’t know exactly what the First 0-8-4 _does_. Sure, it seemed to have killed that waitress, and Creel had great difficulty in controlling its effect on him. Skye-Dad told Raina something to the effect of the obelisk not killing her because it didn’t want to (I _think_ I remember that, anyway), seeming to imply there’s an intelligence there somewhere. Hartley’s forearm was cut off and left in the road last episode. Like a lizard that regrows its tail, perhaps the First 0-8-4 can control things it has ‘infected,’ such that it can create an Ebil Mirror Hartley to do its bidding. There’ve been worse supervillain origins. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2014, 7:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s02e02-heavy-is-the-head-open-spoilers/700053/40 "2014-10-02T07:30:03Z")
> [@Declan](#): > > Chekovs gun > > Seems Hartley has a sister, very close and im guessing twin. > > Declan > [@Push\_You\_Down](#): > > We saw the sister in this episode–both in the photo and at the funeral. Not a twin. That and we’ve already had at least two identical Koenig twins (it remains to be seen if the mentioned third brother is a triplet). Having two sets of identical twin agents replacing a dead sibling would be straining credibility too far even for this show. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s02e02-heavy-is-the-head-open-spoilers/700053.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s02e02-heavy-is-the-head-open-spoilers/700053.md?page=3)