# Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D S02E10: What They Become (open spoilers) **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [December 10, 2014, 2:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s02e10-what-they-become-open-spoilers/706813 "2014-12-10T02:03:19Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![pricciar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/f4b2a3/32.png) [@pricciar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pricciar)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2014, 2:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s02e10-what-they-become-open-spoilers/706813/1 "2014-12-10T02:03:19Z")
“What They Become” Directed by Michael Zinberg Written by Jeffrey Bell Midseason finale! I am very excited, and I am clueless with what they are going to do! Whatever happens is sure to be fun! Especially going by WordMan’s link to [io9](http://io9.com/tomorrow-nights-agents-of-shield-will-blow-your-goddamn-1668246929) which says the episode is going to be really good. (io9 can usually be trusted to be level headed and not over-hype.) (Also, I trusted WordMan’s summation of the link. I didn’t even want a tiny spoiler!) Hopefully I can have a recap up soon. The holiday stuff takes up a lot of time. I’m just hoping I can watch the episode tomorrow! [Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D S02E01: Shadows](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=735202) [Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D S02E02: Heavy is the Head](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=735949) [Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D S02E03: Making Friends And Influencing People (open spoilers)](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=736682) [Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D S02E04: Face My Enemy](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=737365) [Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D S02E05: A Hen in the Wolf House](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=738138) [Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D S02E06: A Fractured House](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=738875) [Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D S02E07: The Writing on the Wall](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=740542) [Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D S02E08: The Things We Bury](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=17911046) [Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D S02E09:…Ye Who Enter Here](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=742435) ---
**Author:** ![WordMan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/e8c25b/32.png) [@WordMan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WordMan)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2014, 3:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s02e10-what-they-become-open-spoilers/706813/2 "2014-12-10T03:00:58Z")
Whoa. Lots to figure out. Liked a lot of it, but it didn’t answer as many questions as clearly as I was expecting. And I had a couple of disappointments that I am going to think about for a bit before getting snarky. ---
**Author:** ![Lightray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lightray/32/391_2.png) [@Lightray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lightray)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2014, 3:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s02e10-what-they-become-open-spoilers/706813/3 "2014-12-10T03:02:35Z")
Ha! Terrigen crystals! As I’d suspected. They did pull a bait-and-switch on which black guy they fridged, though. Not sure what to think about that yet. Also: not terribly keen on Skye/Daisy being one of those looks-like-human Inhumans. ---
**Author:** ![RikWriter](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/49beb7/32.png) [@RikWriter](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RikWriter)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2014, 3:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s02e10-what-they-become-open-spoilers/706813/4 "2014-12-10T03:25:37Z")
> [@Lightray](#): > > Ha! Terrigen crystals! As I’d suspected. > > They did pull a bait-and-switch on which black guy they fridged, though. Not sure what to think about that yet. > > Also: not terribly keen on Skye/Daisy being one of those looks-like-human Inhumans. Come on, dude…you think that actress is going to where a face prosthesis for however long the show lasts? ---
**Author:** ![Oakminster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/77aa72/32.png) [@Oakminster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Oakminster)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2014, 3:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s02e10-what-they-become-open-spoilers/706813/5 "2014-12-10T03:29:55Z")
So “Skye” is really Daisy Johnson, aka “Quake”, and her dad is “Mr. Hyde”? Didn’t see that coming. Not sure what I expected, but not that. WTF did Raina become? Some kind of cat-like being…Tigra? Great episode, really sets the table for a great second half of the season run up to new movies in the summer… ---
**Author:** ![Lightray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lightray/32/391_2.png) [@Lightray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lightray)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2014, 3:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s02e10-what-they-become-open-spoilers/706813/6 "2014-12-10T03:44:12Z")
> [@RikWriter](#): > > Come on, dude…you think that actress is going to where a face prosthesis for however long the show lasts? Crystal has an odd color pattern in her hair. Highlights in her hair, patterns in her skin, even an odd voice effect would have worked. But if she’s supposed to be Quake, they’re going for the Inhumans-as-mutant-standin angle. Although that rather weakens the “turn into a monster” aspect – which is the same problem the 616 Marvel Universe has: if you can’t tell superpowered people from superpowered mutants, why does everyone hate and fear mutants but not the other superdudes? Raina had… gold eyes and spikes? So she’ll fit in better with the other Nightbreed. ---
**Author:** ![randwill](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/a3d4f5/32.png) [@randwill](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/randwill)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2014, 4:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s02e10-what-they-become-open-spoilers/706813/7 "2014-12-10T04:09:54Z")
That’s the cheapest looking fabulous alien underground city I ever saw. ---
**Author:** ![Declan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ecae2f/32.png) [@Declan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Declan)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2014, 7:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s02e10-what-they-become-open-spoilers/706813/8 "2014-12-10T07:03:07Z")
Bobbie’s shirt looked oh so good on her. Declan ---
**Author:** ![levdrakon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/49beb7/32.png) [@levdrakon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/levdrakon)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2014, 8:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s02e10-what-they-become-open-spoilers/706813/9 "2014-12-10T08:34:05Z")
Disappointing Kree city from the stars. Guess it wasn’t in the FX budget. I figured there would be Terrigen Mists. Do you really have to go all the way to the hidden city to use one? What a pain. At least Ward has found a new pal whose brain is as messed up as his is. ---
**Author:** ![B.Serum](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/b.serum/32/14266_2.png) [@B.Serum](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/B.Serum)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2014, 8:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s02e10-what-they-become-open-spoilers/706813/10 "2014-12-10T08:59:06Z")
> [@Oakminster](#): > > WTF did Raina become? Some kind of cat-like being…Tigra? Here are some [screen caps](http://imgur.com/a/2t0to). I think those look more like quills than fur. ---
**Author:** ![WordMan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/e8c25b/32.png) [@WordMan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WordMan)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2014, 11:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s02e10-what-they-become-open-spoilers/706813/11 "2014-12-10T11:38:03Z")
> [@Oakminster](#): > > So “Skye” is really Daisy Johnson, aka “Quake”, and her dad is “Mr. Hyde”? Didn’t see that coming. Not sure what I expected, but not that. > > WTF did Raina become? Some kind of cat-like being…Tigra? > > Great episode, really sets the table for a great second half of the season run up to new movies in the summer… Okay…gotta do a bit of MCU research - I didn’t read a lot of Inhumans-centered stories back in the say, and I think most of this played out after I was in my teens in the 70’s 😉 My disappointment: Is Whitehall really dead? That’s it?! Dude tortures and murders a key character’s mom\* to gain extended life, her whackjob/connected-to-aliens-somehow, powerful dad swears revenge - and the Bad Nazi gets caught in an incidental shoot-out?! Really?! A) there better be more than that; and B) that’s not what I would call a “good” cliffhanger for mid-season - more of just a “you better make this better” lack of closure. \*especially when I have a huge soft spot for the actress, Dichen Lachman, from the not-so-great Whedonverse show Dollhouse. And yes, **Declan** , Bobbi/Adrienne looks amazingly great in those outfits. Between her, May, Skye’s mom, Raina and even Simmons at times - we straight guys are getting some actors that make me wonder why Skye/Daisy is the focal point - she’s pretty, but compared to the others… ---
**Author:** ![Folacin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/folacin/32/3195_2.png) [@Folacin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Folacin)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2014, 11:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s02e10-what-they-become-open-spoilers/706813/12 "2014-12-10T11:49:19Z")
> [@WordMan](#): > > My disappointment: Is Whitehall really dead? That’s it?! Dude tortures and murders a key character’s mom\* to gain extended life, her whackjob/connected-to-aliens-somehow, powerful dad swears revenge - and the Bad Nazi gets caught in an incidental shoot-out?! Really?! A) there better be more than that; and B) that’s not what I would call a “good” cliffhanger for mid-season - more of just a “you better make this better” lack of closure. Nah, no way he stays dead. It doesn’t even really take a fan-wank - he’s got eternal youth, so whatever caused that (and it ‘healed’ his old-age) will heal a single gun shot wound. 33/May thought he was dead because his body shut down (or slowed way down) while healing. Plus, they need a villain, and a basically non-superpowered one is a nice touch (and easy on the CGI budget). ---
**Author:** ![WordMan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/e8c25b/32.png) [@WordMan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WordMan)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2014, 12:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s02e10-what-they-become-open-spoilers/706813/13 "2014-12-10T12:15:00Z")
> [@Folacin](#): > > Nah, no way he stays dead. It doesn’t even really take a fan-wank - he’s got eternal youth, so whatever caused that (and it ‘healed’ his old-age) will heal a single gun shot wound. 33/May thought he was dead because his body shut down (or slowed way down) while healing. > > Plus, they need a villain, and a basically non-superpowered one is a nice touch (and easy on the CGI budget). I totally buy that - but, IMHO, it would’ve been better to have 33/May react the way she did, walk out, and then, I dunno, have our Big Bad Whitehall flinch a finger or something… ---
**Author:** ![RikWriter](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/49beb7/32.png) [@RikWriter](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RikWriter)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2014, 12:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s02e10-what-they-become-open-spoilers/706813/14 "2014-12-10T12:22:13Z")
> [@Lightray](#): > > But if she’s supposed to be Quake, they’re going for the Inhumans-as-mutant-standin angle. Although that rather weakens the “turn into a monster” aspect – which is the same problem the 616 Marvel Universe has: if you can’t tell superpowered people from superpowered mutants, why does everyone hate and fear mutants but not the other superdudes? It makes it worse from a paranoia standpoint because it opens the possibility that anyone you meet could have some deadly superpower. Also, what other choice did they really have than to use Inhumans as a stand-in for mutants? Actually, the Inhumans rather than mutants thing makes much more sense logically. People giving birth in one generation to spontaneous mutations that have impossible powers is a lot harder to swallow than a mysterious alien genetic engineering project that activates a superpower when exposed to mysterious alien radiation. ---
**Author:** ![WordMan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/e8c25b/32.png) [@WordMan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WordMan)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2014, 12:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s02e10-what-they-become-open-spoilers/706813/15 "2014-12-10T12:34:14Z")
> [@Lightray](#): > > …the 616 Marvel Universe… I had to look this up, too. Hadn’t realized that this is the designation of the “main reality” within the MCU. Jeez, read comics for a few years in the 70’s, go away for a bit and…stuff happens!! ---
**Author:** ![Prof.Pepperwinkle](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/prof.pepperwinkle/32/13627_2.png) [@Prof.Pepperwinkle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Prof.Pepperwinkle)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2014, 1:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s02e10-what-they-become-open-spoilers/706813/16 "2014-12-10T13:07:16Z")
[TV Line Interview](http://tvline.com/2014/12/09/agents-of-shield-winter-finale-skye-inhuman-daisy-johnson/) with Jed Whedon and Maurissa Tancharoen indicates, among other things, that both Trip and Whitehall are dead. ---
**Author:** ![RikWriter](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/49beb7/32.png) [@RikWriter](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RikWriter)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2014, 1:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s02e10-what-they-become-open-spoilers/706813/17 "2014-12-10T13:25:17Z")
> [@Prof.Pepperwinkle](#): > > [TV Line Interview](http://tvline.com/2014/12/09/agents-of-shield-winter-finale-skye-inhuman-daisy-johnson/) with Jed Whedon and Maurissa Tancharoen indicates, among other things, that both Trip and Whitehall are dead. Trip, no shit…he’s basically disintegrated. Disappointed that Whitehall went down so easy though. ---
**Author:** ![WordMan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/e8c25b/32.png) [@WordMan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WordMan)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2014, 2:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s02e10-what-they-become-open-spoilers/706813/18 "2014-12-10T14:44:08Z")
> [@RikWriter](#): > > Trip, no shit…he’s basically disintegrated. > Disappointed that Whitehall went down so easy though. Exactly! Such a build-up for not much. ---
**Author:** ![muldoonthief](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/muldoonthief/32/3188_2.png) [@muldoonthief](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/muldoonthief)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2014, 3:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s02e10-what-they-become-open-spoilers/706813/19 "2014-12-10T15:02:13Z")
I guess SHIELD doesn’t believe in the Mozambique drill. Or May hadn’t gotten that far in her lessons with Skye. It was pretty cool watching her just instantly put a few rounds in him as soon as she got the chance - nice followup to the “How’s your marksmanship?” banter. > [@WordMan](#): > > I had to look this up, too. Hadn’t realized that this is the designation of the “main reality” within the MCU. > > Jeez, read comics for a few years in the 70’s, go away for a bit and…stuff happens!! 616 is the main comic book reality - the comic book timeline before the Ultimates and all that. The [MCU reality](http://marvel.wikia.com/Earth-199999) is 199999. > [@Prof.Pepperwinkle](#): > > [TV Line Interview](http://tvline.com/2014/12/09/agents-of-shield-winter-finale-skye-inhuman-daisy-johnson/) with Jed Whedon and Maurissa Tancharoen indicates, among other things, that both Trip and Whitehall are dead. Hmm - I didn’t get that from the article. They conceded it would have been fun to see Cal tear Whitehall apart, but didn’t really confirm he’s never coming back. ---
**Author:** ![Telemark](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/telemark/32/372_2.png) [@Telemark](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Telemark)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2014, 3:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s02e10-what-they-become-open-spoilers/706813/20 "2014-12-10T15:14:08Z")
> [@muldoonthief](#): > > It was pretty cool watching her just instantly put a few rounds in him as soon as she got the chance - nice followup to the “How’s your marksmanship?” banter. Also harkens back to the conversation about HYDRA would just kill someone while SHIELD was pondering. She didn’t think it over much, but she should have gone for the head shot. I wasn’t thrilled with the two broken snowflakes (Ward, 33) finding each other and forming a bond. Saving Mack and killing Tripp seems like a standard Joss swerve, but honestly I don’t care about either character so it didn’t have much impact. Superpowered Skye/Daisy has the potential to be really boring. I’m more interested in what happened to Raina. [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s02e10-what-they-become-open-spoilers/706813.md?page=2)