# Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D S02E10: What They Become (open spoilers) **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [December 10, 2014, 2:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s02e10-what-they-become-open-spoilers/706813 "2014-12-10T02:03:19Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Misnomer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/misnomer/32/14897_2.png) [@Misnomer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Misnomer)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2014, 4:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s02e10-what-they-become-open-spoilers/706813/21 "2014-12-10T16:19:15Z")
> [@muldoonthief](#): > > It was pretty cool watching her just instantly put a few rounds in him as soon as she got the chance I _loved_ that! So nice to see someone finally just freaking shoot the bad guy ASAP instead of dicking around or bantering with him first. No warning, and she didn’t miss. Yeah! ---
**Author:** ![FordTaurusSHO94](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/f07891/32.png) [@FordTaurusSHO94](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FordTaurusSHO94)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2014, 4:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s02e10-what-they-become-open-spoilers/706813/22 "2014-12-10T16:25:08Z")
Who was the guy without eyes? I’ve mostly stuck to the X-Men side of the comics. ---
**Author:** ![RikWriter](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/49beb7/32.png) [@RikWriter](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RikWriter)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2014, 4:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s02e10-what-they-become-open-spoilers/706813/23 "2014-12-10T16:27:17Z")
> [@FordTaurusSHO94](#): > > Who was the guy without eyes? I’ve mostly stuck to the X-Men side of the comics. Blind Man. (Seriously though, I have no idea.) ---
**Author:** ![muldoonthief](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/muldoonthief/32/3188_2.png) [@muldoonthief](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/muldoonthief)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2014, 4:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s02e10-what-they-become-open-spoilers/706813/24 "2014-12-10T16:30:24Z")
> [@FordTaurusSHO94](#): > > Who was the guy without eyes? I’ve mostly stuck to the X-Men side of the comics. Dea. Seriously, the interview linked above says they’ll tell us in the next episode. Which isn’t until March. ---
**Author:** ![Habeed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/a587f6/32.png) [@Habeed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Habeed)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2014, 4:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s02e10-what-they-become-open-spoilers/706813/25 "2014-12-10T16:42:50Z")
> [@RikWriter](#): > > Trip, no shit…he’s basically disintegrated. > Disappointed that Whitehall went down so easy though. What should have happened is that when Coulson went to stand over White Hall’s body, he looks down, and fires half a magazine into his head. Basically, it would 1. Establish that White Hall is really dead 2. Show the Coulson is genre savvy and not going to let a bad guy potentially survive ---
**Author:** ![RikWriter](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/49beb7/32.png) [@RikWriter](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RikWriter)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2014, 4:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s02e10-what-they-become-open-spoilers/706813/26 "2014-12-10T16:51:08Z")
> [@FordTaurusSHO94](#): > > Who was the guy without eyes? I’ve mostly stuck to the X-Men side of the comics. A little research turned up this dude: > **[Videmus (Earth-616)](https://marvel.fandom.com/wiki/Videmus_(Earth-616))** > > 4 appearance(s) of Videmus (Earth-616) 1 mention(s) in handbook(s) of Videmus (Earth-616) 1 invocation(s) of Videmus (Earth-616) 1 image(s) of Videmus (Earth-616) http://www.marvunapp.com/Appendix4/videmusinhumans.htm Might be him. He’s an Inhuman. ---
**Author:** ![WordMan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/e8c25b/32.png) [@WordMan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WordMan)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2014, 4:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s02e10-what-they-become-open-spoilers/706813/27 "2014-12-10T16:59:15Z")
> [@muldoonthief](#): > > 616 is the main comic book reality - the comic book timeline before the Ultimates and all that. The [MCU reality](http://marvel.wikia.com/Earth-199999) is 199999. Well, crap. Fortunately, I don’t believe I have to be _that_ immersed in the MCU…I hope. 😉 Here’s an ep summary from avclub: [http://www.avclub.com/tvclub/marvels-agents-shield-what-they-become-212829](http://www.avclub.com/tvclub/marvels-agents-shield-what-they-become-212829) ---
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2014, 5:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s02e10-what-they-become-open-spoilers/706813/28 "2014-12-10T17:03:15Z")
I’m willing to bet that Whitehall isn’t gone for good. Ward surviving at the same time means he will survive as well. I totally agree with **muldoonthief** about the Mozambique Drill. Gonna have to blame May for that oversight. Really didn’t care whether Mack or Trip bit it, really. They were both interchangeable. Sad to lose the connection to the Howling Commandos, but he served his purpose in linking the show to _Agent Carter_. I liked the misdirection of Fitz going off on his own and coming back intact (or has he?) Ward and 33 hooking up makes good story sense in the long run. Keeps another wild card in play. Inhumans! Yea! ---
**Author:** ![MrAtoz](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@MrAtoz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrAtoz)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2014, 5:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s02e10-what-they-become-open-spoilers/706813/29 "2014-12-10T17:05:24Z")
> [@WordMan](#): > > Well, crap. Fortunately, I don’t believe I have to be _that_ immersed in the MCU…I hope. 😉 If it helps at all, Marvel’s actual editors and writers don’t seem terribly thrilled with the use of 616, and all the various other numbered universes, either. The whole thing with calling the mainline Marvel Universe “616” seems to have arisen from a joke by Alan Moore when he was writing Captain Britain. ---
**Author:** ![muldoonthief](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/muldoonthief/32/3188_2.png) [@muldoonthief](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/muldoonthief)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2014, 5:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s02e10-what-they-become-open-spoilers/706813/30 "2014-12-10T17:37:49Z")
So from the scene where the superimposed the Kree city map over the Puerto Rico map, it did appear most of the city is under PR, implying that they were about to cause some major problems when they blew it up. And what was with Tripp pulling the detonators from the C4, and just leaving them? Detonators explode all on their own if you don’t deactivate them. Especially the last one, which started buzzing in his hand right after he pulled it. He should have had a stump at that point. Not that I’d want to trust 70 year old detonators anyway. ---
**Author:** ![Lightray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lightray/32/391_2.png) [@Lightray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lightray)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2014, 5:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s02e10-what-they-become-open-spoilers/706813/31 "2014-12-10T17:40:02Z")
> [@RikWriter](#): > > A little research turned up this dude: > [Videmus (Earth-616) | Marvel Database | Fandom](http://marvel.wikia.com/Videmus_%28Earth-616%29) > > Might be him. He’s an Inhuman. I’ve seen speculation it’s this guy: [The Reader](http://marvel.wikia.com/Reader_(Inhuman)_(Earth-616)) Who was apparently created to be in the new _Inhuman_ series, which was supposedly created to raise the profile of the Inhumans so as to make use of them in the Marvel Cinematic U. He’s blind because when he was sighted, everything he read came true, so the Inhumans took out his eyes – which doesn’t seem to match this guy’s appearance. _But_ he apparently works collecting new Inhumans for exploitation by a sinister (Inhuman-owned) corporation. And _that_ seems right in line as a basis for a half-season storyline here. ---
**Author:** ![Push\_You\_Down](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/push_you_down/32/9095_2.png) [@Push\_You\_Down](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Push_You_Down)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2014, 5:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s02e10-what-they-become-open-spoilers/706813/32 "2014-12-10T17:48:57Z")
> [@silenus](#): > > I’m willing to bet that Whitehall isn’t gone for good. He was an incredibly boring villain and I’m glad he’s gone. I realyl hope he doesn’t come back. Hunter essentially made Tripp redundant which is disappointing since Hunter is annoying and is only tolerable because of Bobbi. I like Mac as the guy who is uncomfortable and kind of hostile toward their whole world of super science, super powers and aliens. I think they’ll be able to do some interesting stuff with him coming down from his “possession” I think it will flip the dynamic between him and Fitz. ---
**Author:** ![WordMan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/e8c25b/32.png) [@WordMan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WordMan)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2014, 6:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s02e10-what-they-become-open-spoilers/706813/33 "2014-12-10T18:05:31Z")
Nice episode summary on io9: [I Can't Stop Watching This Lovely Moment From The Last Agents of SHIELD](http://io9.com/i-cant-stop-watching-this-lovely-moment-from-the-last-a-1669325294) Covers many of the pluses and minuses about this episode and the show’s overall arc…including this about Whitehall: > [@](#): > > Hydra went down too easy > > I mentioned in my preview post the other day that I had a few problems with this episode — and the main one is that Hydra soldiers are suddenly “paper people,” as Drax would put it. This season of Agents of SHIELD got a lot of energy out of the notion that Hydra massive outguns SHIELD, and our heroes are fighting a losing war against a massively superior enemy that has huge facilities. > > And now, all of a sudden, Hydra seems to be pretty incompetent. They’re holding a building, with a massive advantage in terms of numbers as well as some key tactical advantages, and they just go down like ninepins. Worse yet, Whitehall (who seemed like an awesomely creepy villain who deserved to torment our guys for months and hatch some huge master plan) is apparently dead, and was wrong about what the Diviner would do when placed in the ancient Kree city. ---
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2014, 6:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s02e10-what-they-become-open-spoilers/706813/34 "2014-12-10T18:07:33Z")
I _like_ Hunter. He has an appropriate attitude. I’ll have to go back and look, but was the explosive really C-4? Because if it was, they weren’t going to do anything more than make a big noise. No tamping, no pre-cutting, no prep at all. That amount of C-4 would barely singe the paint in the hallway. ---
**Author:** ![RikWriter](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/49beb7/32.png) [@RikWriter](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RikWriter)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2014, 6:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s02e10-what-they-become-open-spoilers/706813/35 "2014-12-10T18:17:57Z")
> [@Lightray](#): > > I’ve seen speculation it’s this guy: > > [The Reader](http://marvel.wikia.com/Reader_(Inhuman)_(Earth-616)) > > Who was apparently created to be in the new _Inhuman_ series, which was supposedly created to raise the profile of the Inhumans so as to make use of them in the Marvel Cinematic U. He’s blind because when he was sighted, everything he read came true, so the Inhumans took out his eyes – which doesn’t seem to match this guy’s appearance. _But_ he apparently works collecting new Inhumans for exploitation by a sinister (Inhuman-owned) corporation. And _that_ seems right in line as a basis for a half-season storyline here. I’ve seen that speculation, but his appearance, as you say, doesn’t fit. The other guy has no eyes, not eyes that have been gouged out. ---
**Author:** ![FordTaurusSHO94](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/f07891/32.png) [@FordTaurusSHO94](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FordTaurusSHO94)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2014, 6:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s02e10-what-they-become-open-spoilers/706813/36 "2014-12-10T18:20:35Z")
Was that supposed to be the end of Hydra? Maybe they’ll come back in green and yellow suit, for the benefits. Like Bob. ---
**Author:** ![levdrakon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/49beb7/32.png) [@levdrakon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/levdrakon)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2014, 6:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s02e10-what-they-become-open-spoilers/706813/37 "2014-12-10T18:33:31Z")
I’m still not sure if Marvel is using Inhumans to replace mutants, or if they’re simply building up the Inhumans and ignoring mutants. It was funny last night after watching the ep I went digging around various comic wikis and all them were already updated with the Cal & Daisy info. Those guys are fast! ---
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2014, 6:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s02e10-what-they-become-open-spoilers/706813/38 "2014-12-10T18:34:52Z")
Hydra is far from gone. They just took out part of one cell, and not completely. After all _Age of Ultron_ supposedly begins with an assault on Baron von Strucker’s stronghold. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2014, 6:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s02e10-what-they-become-open-spoilers/706813/39 "2014-12-10T18:39:49Z")
> [@RikWriter](#): > > Disappointed that Whitehall went down so easy though. > [@WordMan](#): > > Exactly! Such a build-up for not much. Has everyone forgotten Garrett’s [final scene](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lb3JW2vh1mQ) from last season? ---
**Author:** ![Telemark](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/telemark/32/372_2.png) [@Telemark](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Telemark)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2014, 6:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s02e10-what-they-become-open-spoilers/706813/40 "2014-12-10T18:43:10Z")
> [@FordTaurusSHO94](#): > > Was that supposed to be the end of Hydra? I never got the impression that Whitehall was the head of HYDRA. After all, someone decided he should be broken out of prison and given a lab. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s02e10-what-they-become-open-spoilers/706813.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s02e10-what-they-become-open-spoilers/706813.md?page=3)