# Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D S02E10: What They Become (open spoilers) **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [December 10, 2014, 2:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s02e10-what-they-become-open-spoilers/706813 "2014-12-10T02:03:19Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2014, 6:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s02e10-what-they-become-open-spoilers/706813/41 "2014-12-10T18:47:03Z")
> [@FordTaurusSHO94](#): > > Was that supposed to be the end of Hydra? If I’ve been understanding the hints correctly, Baron Strucker is still in charge of Hydra from its international headquarters in Africa. Whitehall was the regional director in charge of Hydra’s North American operations ---
**Author:** ![RikWriter](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/49beb7/32.png) [@RikWriter](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RikWriter)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2014, 6:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s02e10-what-they-become-open-spoilers/706813/42 "2014-12-10T18:48:01Z")
> [@levdrakon](#): > > I’m still not sure if Marvel is using Inhumans to replace mutants, or if they’re simply building up the Inhumans and ignoring mutants. Mutants don’t exist in the MCU. They can’t use the word and so far they haven’t even considered the concept. No one becomes a superhero by accident in the MCU. Either they are given powers by aliens/alien tech/alien genetic engineering or in an effort to become super (Cap, the Hulk) or by advanced human technology (Iron Man, that Blizzard guy from SHIELD, Dethlok). No one is getting bitten by a radioactive spider and no one is born with super powers out of the blue. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2014, 6:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s02e10-what-they-become-open-spoilers/706813/43 "2014-12-10T18:50:56Z")
> [@Telemark](#): > > I never got the impression that Whitehall was the head of HYDRA. After all, someone decided he should be broken out of prison and given a lab. I thought they said it was Alexander Pierce (Robert Redford’s character in _Winter Soldier_) who ordered Whitehall’s release. This was back when Hydra was still undercover inside Shield and Pierce was supposedly a member of the World Security Council. ---
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2014, 6:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s02e10-what-they-become-open-spoilers/706813/44 "2014-12-10T18:59:59Z")
That is correct. Ostensibly it was because of budget cuts. But even Pierce was just a sub-leader. Hydra will have a leader when Red Skull returns and not before. ---
**Author:** ![levdrakon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/49beb7/32.png) [@levdrakon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/levdrakon)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2014, 7:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s02e10-what-they-become-open-spoilers/706813/45 "2014-12-10T19:13:53Z")
> [@RikWriter](#): > > Mutants don’t exist in the MCU. They can’t use the word and so far they haven’t even considered the concept. No one becomes a superhero by accident in the MCU. Either they are given powers by aliens/alien tech/alien genetic engineering or in an effort to become super (Cap, the Hulk) or by advanced human technology (Iron Man, that Blizzard guy from SHIELD, Dethlok). > > No one is getting bitten by a radioactive spider and no one is born with super powers out of the blue. Yes yes I know all that. But is it that they don’t exist, or they’re being ignored? Are Quicksilver and Scarlet Witch going to be Inhumans instead of mutants, or are they going to be superpowered humans of some other kind and they just won’t ever say “mutant.” Theoretically, a trademark judge or the media companies themselves could decide that “mutant” is fair game as long as you don’t use specific characters. Hydra: cut off one head, blah, blah. There will always be Hydra. You deal them a defeat and they go away for awhile, is all. ---
**Author:** ![RikWriter](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/49beb7/32.png) [@RikWriter](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RikWriter)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2014, 7:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s02e10-what-they-become-open-spoilers/706813/46 "2014-12-10T19:39:10Z")
> [@levdrakon](#): > > Yes yes I know all that. But is it that they don’t exist, or they’re being ignored? Are Quicksilver and Scarlet Witch going to be Inhumans instead of mutants, or are they going to be superpowered humans of some other kind and they just won’t ever say “mutant.” That was my point. The very idea of a chance, naturally-occurring mutation causing a super-power seems anathema to the world they’ve set up in the MCU. I don’t think they would introduce it. Quicksilver and the Scarlet Witch are either going to be Inhumans or they are going to be the result of Hydra’s experimentation with Loki’s staff. ---
**Author:** ![WordMan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/e8c25b/32.png) [@WordMan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WordMan)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2014, 7:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s02e10-what-they-become-open-spoilers/706813/47 "2014-12-10T19:47:34Z")
> [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > Has everyone forgotten Garrett’s [final scene](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lb3JW2vh1mQ) from last season? Sorry for being slow - how are you relating the two? Basically, we are shown that Whitehall is out \<\\> only to have a WWE-style Dramatic Emergence Back? (in Garrett’s case, only to be Indiana Jones Revolver’d for a good laugh). Sure - it’s possible, but it still feels like it coulda/shoulda been played for a lot more. ---
**Author:** ![levdrakon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/49beb7/32.png) [@levdrakon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/levdrakon)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2014, 7:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s02e10-what-they-become-open-spoilers/706813/48 "2014-12-10T19:58:04Z")
I think the writers wanted to give Cal yet another big life disappointment. As a bonus, Cal didn’t get to literally tear Whitehall apart, which leaves a little wiggle room for Cal not being _that_ bad. I sympathize with him. He’s killed a lot of people, but most of his victims deserved it one way or the other. He may have slaughtered some innocent villagers in a rage, but it was an insane rage, and kinda understandable. I was thinking when Skye grabbed the Diviner and was standing three feet from Whitehall, she should have thrown it at him instead of the disposable bad guy. ---
**Author:** ![Cayuga](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/3e96dc/32.png) [@Cayuga](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cayuga)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2014, 8:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s02e10-what-they-become-open-spoilers/706813/49 "2014-12-10T20:00:50Z")
I liked the episode as a whole, but there were a couple of major disappointments. The map showed us an enormous underground city on many different levels. We saw a few sparse corridors all on the same level. Cities have a lot more to them then passageways and a “temple” 12 feet in diameter, made of the same featureless stone as the corridors. The obelisk is put in its rightful place, glows into life, opens up, and becomes … a tiny model of the Fortress of Solitude from 1978. Also unanswered questions. If anybody could knock the obelisk off the pedestal, why didn’t Skye even try to do it? So the floor only turns the first normal person who touches it into a monster? Everyone else is OK? Seriously, why would Tripp even try to disarm the bombs if he thought that he’d be co-opted the minute he hit the floor? Ditto Coulson going after Skye? It’s going to be a rough wait until March. Raina is apparently a porcupine thing, and Skye has gained the ability to expand her rib cage and force things to fly away from her so that she looks exactly like a panel in a comic book. (I haven’t read the relevant comics, so the significance of the name “Daisy” is lost on me.) To me, this episode had just the right amount of closure of old plots and opening of new ones for a mid-season cliffhanger. ---
**Author:** ![muldoonthief](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/muldoonthief/32/3188_2.png) [@muldoonthief](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/muldoonthief)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2014, 8:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s02e10-what-they-become-open-spoilers/706813/50 "2014-12-10T20:03:05Z")
> [@silenus](#): > > I _like_ Hunter. He has an appropriate attitude. > > I’ll have to go back and look, but was the explosive really C-4? Because if it was, they weren’t going to do anything more than make a big noise. No tamping, no pre-cutting, no prep at all. That amount of C-4 would barely singe the paint in the hallway. Yep. It had written on it: DEMOLITION BLOCK M3A1 COMPOUND C4 and some smaller type I couldn’t make out. Though some quick googling indicates that “M3A1” has been used as a designator for a few tanks and fighting vehicles, and a submachine gun, not an explosive. ---
**Author:** ![Cayuga](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/3e96dc/32.png) [@Cayuga](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cayuga)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2014, 8:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s02e10-what-they-become-open-spoilers/706813/51 "2014-12-10T20:08:59Z")
> [@WordMan](#): > > Between her, May, Skye’s mom, Raina and even Simmons at times - we straight guys are getting some actors that make me wonder why Skye/Daisy is the focal point - she’s pretty, but compared to the others… Sounds as though there’s something wrong with your television set. Chloe Bennett (Skye) is one of the five or six most beautiful women in the world, ranking only behind my wife an a few others. Ruth Negga is right up there, too. As for Bobbi, May, and Simmons — Meh. Not even close. ETA: Adrianne Palicki is, while playing this role, certainly sexy. But she’s nowhere near as pretty as Skye or Raina. ---
**Author:** ![levdrakon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/49beb7/32.png) [@levdrakon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/levdrakon)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2014, 8:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s02e10-what-they-become-open-spoilers/706813/52 "2014-12-10T20:25:31Z")
I thought Skye was very beautiful during her transformation scene. I’d rate her most attractive female on the show, depending on how they decide to portray her. Who’s the hottest guy? I’d say Hunter at the moment. He’s got something different than the generic good-looking alpha male type going on. ---
**Author:** ![WordMan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/e8c25b/32.png) [@WordMan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WordMan)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2014, 8:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s02e10-what-they-become-open-spoilers/706813/53 "2014-12-10T20:49:13Z")
> [@Cayuga](#): > > Sounds as though there’s something wrong with your television set. Chloe Bennett (Skye) is one of the five or six most beautiful women in the world, ranking only behind my wife an a few others. Ruth Negga is right up there, too. As for Bobbi, May, and Simmons — Meh. Not even close. > > ETA: Adrianne Palicki is, while playing this role, certainly sexy. But she’s nowhere near as pretty as Skye or Raina. There ya go. Everyone’s mileage varies. ---
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2014, 9:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s02e10-what-they-become-open-spoilers/706813/54 "2014-12-10T21:08:36Z")
> [@Cayuga](#): > > Also unanswered questions. > > If anybody could knock the obelisk off the pedestal, why didn’t Skye even try to do it? > > So the floor only turns the first normal person who touches it into a monster? Everyone else is OK? Seriously, why would Tripp even try to disarm the bombs if he thought that he’d be co-opted the minute he hit the floor? Ditto Coulson going after Skye? > It’s going to be a rough wait until March. Raina is apparently a porcupine thing, and Skye has gained the ability to expand her rib cage and force things to fly away from her so that she looks exactly like a panel in a comic book. (I haven’t read the relevant comics, so the significance of the name “Daisy” is lost on me.) > > To me, this episode had just the right amount of closure of old plots and opening of new ones for a mid-season cliffhanger. 1. I think by that point Skye was wanting answers as much as Raina. 2. Two possible answers: the temple just needed one sentinel/servant, or you had to touch the symbols with bare skin. Running around with Vibram-soled boots was just fine. For all we know (and the team know) the suits weren’t necessary at all once the temple zapped Mack. There didn’t seem to be any nasty things happening to Trip. Except there at the end, with the disintegration and all. But that was from the obelisk, not the temple. 3. Do not knock that shot! It was an _absolutely perfect_ TV rendition of a comic panel. eta: 4. Palicki is by far the hottest female on this show. And I think Skye is gorgeous. ---
**Author:** ![Intergalactic\_Gladiator](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/intergalactic_gladiator/32/112_2.png) [@Intergalactic\_Gladiator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Intergalactic_Gladiator)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2014, 9:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s02e10-what-they-become-open-spoilers/706813/55 "2014-12-10T21:09:58Z")
I was wondering if they knew that they were going to make Skye into Daisy all along. It’s an interesting turn for the character and she’s come a long way from being the cutsey hacker that she was introduced as. So is she going to immediately switch her name to Daisy now? How’s that part going to work out. ---
**Author:** ![Misnomer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/misnomer/32/14897_2.png) [@Misnomer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Misnomer)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2014, 9:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s02e10-what-they-become-open-spoilers/706813/56 "2014-12-10T21:19:48Z")
> [@levdrakon](#): > > Who’s the hottest guy? I’d say Hunter at the moment. He’s got something different than the generic good-looking alpha male type going on. I’d put Ward _slightly_ above him, but otherwise…yeah. And I’m gonna miss Reed Diamond. ---
**Author:** ![levdrakon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/49beb7/32.png) [@levdrakon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/levdrakon)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2014, 9:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s02e10-what-they-become-open-spoilers/706813/57 "2014-12-10T21:23:13Z")
> [@Intergalactic\_Gladiator](#): > > So is she going to immediately switch her name to Daisy now? How’s that part going to work out. If it were me, I’d let my friends know I found out what my birth name is, but I’d keep using the name my friends know me by. I don’t think I’m going to call her Daisy until everyone else in the show does. ---
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2014, 9:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s02e10-what-they-become-open-spoilers/706813/58 "2014-12-10T21:27:43Z")
> [@Intergalactic\_Gladiator](#): > > I was wondering if they knew that they were going to make Skye into Daisy all along. It’s an interesting turn for the character and she’s come a long way from being the cutsey hacker that she was introduced as. > > So is she going to immediately switch her name to Daisy now? How’s that part going to work out. According to Jed Whedon and Maurissa Tacheron, it has been planned since about the middle of last season. They had several ways they could use the character, and Daisy is the way they and Marvel chose. Lots of _Ultimates_ and _Secret Warriors_ stuff showing up in the MCU. I’m betting that they don’t switch her name around for quite awhile. Skye is a better name anyway. ---
**Author:** ![Cayuga](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/3e96dc/32.png) [@Cayuga](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cayuga)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2014, 10:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s02e10-what-they-become-open-spoilers/706813/59 "2014-12-10T22:35:44Z")
> [@silenus](#): > > 1. Do not knock that shot! It was an _absolutely perfect_ TV rendition of a comic panel. I apologize if I sounded as if I was knocking it. I was — and am — in awe of it. ---
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2014, 10:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s02e10-what-they-become-open-spoilers/706813/60 "2014-12-10T22:42:34Z")
As am I. That was a “Holy shit! Rewind and slo-mo!” moment if there ever was one. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s02e10-what-they-become-open-spoilers/706813.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s02e10-what-they-become-open-spoilers/706813.md?page=4)