# Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D S02E10: What They Become (open spoilers) **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [December 10, 2014, 2:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s02e10-what-they-become-open-spoilers/706813 "2014-12-10T02:03:19Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![levdrakon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/49beb7/32.png) [@levdrakon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/levdrakon)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2014, 10:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s02e10-what-they-become-open-spoilers/706813/61 "2014-12-10T22:56:10Z")
> [@RikWriter](#): > > That was my point. The very idea of a chance, naturally-occurring mutation causing a super-power seems anathema to the world they’ve set up in the MCU. I don’t think they would introduce it. Quicksilver and the Scarlet Witch are either going to be Inhumans or they are going to be the result of Hydra’s experimentation with Loki’s staff. Well, MCU owns the Celestials, and they’re the ones responsible for mucking around with the human genome millions of years ago and giving humans the genetic potential to develop superpowers. We’ve got Eternals and Deviants and we’ve already met Thanos, a Titan, which is an offshoot of Eternals. We’ve also got the Kree messing around. Mutants are just one more human subgroup. Just because they don’t tell us any stories about mutants doesn’t mean they don’t exist at all, completely erased from the MCU. ---
**Author:** ![RikWriter](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/49beb7/32.png) [@RikWriter](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RikWriter)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2014, 11:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s02e10-what-they-become-open-spoilers/706813/62 "2014-12-10T23:01:18Z")
> [@levdrakon](#): > > Well, MCU owns the Celestials, and they’re the ones responsible for mucking around with the human genome millions of years ago and giving humans the genetic potential to develop superpowers. We’ve got Eternals and Deviants and we’ve already met Thanos, a Titan, which is an offshoot of Eternals. We’ve also got the Kree messing around. Mutants are just one more human subgroup. Just because they don’t tell us any stories about mutants doesn’t mean they don’t exist at all, completely erased from the MCU. Marvel is minimizing their importance and exposure in the comic book universe, partly due to Fox owning the rights but also due to, I think, just an embarrassing overabundance of mutants. ---
**Author:** ![Reluctant\_A](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/839c29/32.png) [@Reluctant\_A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Reluctant_A)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2014, 2:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s02e10-what-they-become-open-spoilers/706813/63 "2014-12-11T02:53:30Z")
> [@WordMan](#): > > \*especially when I have a huge soft spot for the actress, Dichen Lachman, from the not-so-great Whedonverse show Dollhouse. And yes, **Declan** , Bobbi/Adrienne looks amazingly great in those outfits. Between her, May, Skye’s mom, Raina and even Simmons at times - we straight guys are getting some actors that make me wonder why Skye/Daisy is the focal point - she’s pretty, but compared to the others… > > > [@Cayuga](#): > > > > Sounds as though there’s something wrong with your television set. **Chloe Bennett (Skye) is one of the five or six most beautiful women in the world**, ranking only behind my wife an a few others. Ruth Negga is right up there, too. As for Bobbi, May, and Simmons — Meh. Not even close. > > > > ETA: Adrianne Palicki is, while playing this role, certainly sexy. But she’s nowhere near as pretty as Skye or Raina. (bolding mine) Seriously? I mean, I’ll stipulate that Chloe Bennett is, objectively, an attractive young woman, but I would push her in front of a speeding train, just to shake Ming-Na Wen or Adrianne Palicki’s hand. ---
**Author:** ![FordTaurusSHO94](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/f07891/32.png) [@FordTaurusSHO94](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FordTaurusSHO94)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2014, 3:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s02e10-what-they-become-open-spoilers/706813/64 "2014-12-11T03:20:01Z")
> [@RikWriter](#): > > Marvel is minimizing their importance and exposure in the comic book universe, partly due to Fox owning the rights but also due to, I think, just an embarrassing overabundance of mutants. Not just mutants though, they also canceled Fantastic 4 and are rumored to kill Deadpool pretty soon. They’ve killed, damaged, or diminished most of the big X-Men though. Who is left that’s as strong as they were in the 90’s, Storm? ---
**Author:** ![Declan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ecae2f/32.png) [@Declan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Declan)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2014, 6:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s02e10-what-they-become-open-spoilers/706813/65 "2014-12-11T06:52:12Z")
> [@Reluctant\_A](#): > > (bolding mine) > > Seriously? I mean, I’ll stipulate that Chloe Bennett is, objectively, an attractive young woman, but I would push her in front of a speeding train, just to shake Ming-Na Wen or Adrianne Palicki’s hand. Yeah, I would not kick Chloe out of bed for eating peanuts either, but Adrianne is more of a thigh high boots and riding crop kind of attractive, rather than the all american looks of chloe. Its a different kind of attractiveness. Declan ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2014, 9:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s02e10-what-they-become-open-spoilers/706813/66 "2014-12-11T09:23:59Z")
> [@Declan](#): > > Yeah, I would not kick Chloe out of bed for eating peanuts either, but Adrianne is more of a thigh high boots and riding crop kind of attractive, rather than the all american looks of chloe. Its a different kind of attractiveness. I’m amused that the half-Chinese woman is characterized as the “All-American” while the _Friday Night Lights_ alumnus is not… ---
**Author:** ![WordMan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/e8c25b/32.png) [@WordMan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WordMan)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2014, 12:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s02e10-what-they-become-open-spoilers/706813/67 "2014-12-11T12:19:24Z")
> [@MrDibble](#): > > I’m amused that the half-Chinese woman is characterized as the “All-American” while the _Friday Night Lights_ alumnus is not… Funny. Here is another breakdown of the ep and connections to the comic MCU: [http://observationdeck.io9.com/best-day-ever-secrets-of-shield-episode-what-they-be-1669185463](http://observationdeck.io9.com/best-day-ever-secrets-of-shield-episode-what-they-be-1669185463) ---
**Author:** ![WordMan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/e8c25b/32.png) [@WordMan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WordMan)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2014, 5:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s02e10-what-they-become-open-spoilers/706813/68 "2014-12-11T17:25:34Z")
…and some updates on how the showrunners are looking at the second half of the seasons, including (dun, dun DUN!) use of the word Inhumans: > **[All The Details About What's Next After Agents of SHIELD's Big Reveals!](https://gizmodo.com/all-the-details-about-whats-next-after-agents-of-shield-1669645673)** > > One actress has already had meetings about Paul Feig's Ghostbusters. Jenna Coleman squashes a rumor about Clara's fate in the Doctor Who Christmas special. The return of a villain is confirmed for Arrow. And what's so scary about Jurassic World?... (I clearly have found io9 to be a decent roundup of this type of geek info…) ---
**Author:** ![AK84](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/85e7bf/32.png) [@AK84](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AK84)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2014, 7:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s02e10-what-they-become-open-spoilers/706813/69 "2014-12-11T19:55:28Z")
Awesome. Gotta say Marvel is great at taking risks. Skye and Ward were the most hated characters when the show premiered. Yet they have evolved into the most interesting. Good on Marvel for playing the long game and following through, not deviating from the plan even though there was a lot of criticism. Glad Mack is ok, but please don’t there be some love triangle between him, Hunter, Bobbi etc. ---
**Author:** ![friedo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/8edcca/32.png) [@friedo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/friedo)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2014, 1:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s02e10-what-they-become-open-spoilers/706813/70 "2014-12-12T01:06:05Z")
This show really needs to fire their lighting designer. I can’t see anything. Also I have no idea WTF is going on anymore. ---
**Author:** ![RikWriter](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/49beb7/32.png) [@RikWriter](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RikWriter)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2014, 1:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s02e10-what-they-become-open-spoilers/706813/71 "2014-12-12T01:09:05Z")
> [@friedo](#): > > This show really needs to fire their lighting designer. I can’t see anything. > > Also I have no idea WTF is going on anymore. How so? It seems perfectly clear to me. What part can’t you follow? ---
**Author:** ![dropzone](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dropzone/32/7515_2.png) [@dropzone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dropzone)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2014, 3:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s02e10-what-they-become-open-spoilers/706813/72 "2014-12-12T03:05:16Z")
> [@Declan](#): > > Yeah, I would not kick Chloe out of bed for eating peanuts either, but Adrianne is more of a thigh high boots and riding crop kind of attractive, rather than the all american looks of chloe. Its a different kind of attractiveness. > [@MrDibble](#): > > I’m amused that the half-Chinese woman is characterized as the “All-American” while the _Friday Night Lights_ alumnus is not… Ain’t it grand? When I was young Chloe Bennett would have only played “exotic ethnic” types, Asian or American Indian, mostly. My suburban public high school had a thousand girls like Adrianne Palicki, with only one Black girl, two Chinese girls, and no Mexican girls I can remember. In the 40-some years since then the Chicago area (where Chloe Wang grew up) has grown much more diverse, enough that she can be described as “all-American” without irony. I love it! Palicki is “normal hot” to me, and though I’m against cosmetic surgery I have gotten rid of a facial wart, and she might want to freeze off or dissolve that “beauty mark” between her eyebrows. Compound W works great, but it’s slow. I’ve been itching to try those freezing things, but I haven’t grown another one on my face. ---
**Author:** ![Declan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ecae2f/32.png) [@Declan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Declan)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2014, 7:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s02e10-what-they-become-open-spoilers/706813/73 "2014-12-12T07:07:42Z")
> [@MrDibble](#): > > I’m amused that the half-Chinese woman is characterized as the “All-American” while the _Friday Night Lights_ alumnus is not… Um, I never would have pegged Chloe for having a mixed heritage. I guess I shall have to watch again. Declan ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2014, 8:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s02e10-what-they-become-open-spoilers/706813/74 "2014-12-12T08:32:40Z")
> [@dropzone](#): > > she can be described as “all-American” without irony. I love it! I do too. I was more going for the sports joke, though… ---
**Author:** ![Alessan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alessan/32/465_2.png) [@Alessan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alessan)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2014, 9:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s02e10-what-they-become-open-spoilers/706813/75 "2014-12-12T09:36:46Z")
> [@Declan](#): > > Um, I never would have pegged Chloe for having a mixed heritage. I guess I shall have to watch again. > > Declan From Wikipedia: > [@](#): > > Chloe Bennet was born on April 18, 1992, in Chicago, Illinois. She is the daughter of Stephanie and Bennet Wang.[4] Her father is Chinese American and her mother is a Jewish Caucasian. She has six brothers: three biological brothers, two African American foster brothers and one Mexican-Filipino foster brother. Sound like an all-American family to me. ---
**Author:** ![bienville](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/4bbf92/32.png) [@bienville](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bienville)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2014, 11:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s02e10-what-they-become-open-spoilers/706813/76 "2014-12-12T11:57:16Z")
I finally figured out how Hunter can actually be a very good character! It was the “Don’t die out there” bit that made me realize it. He could serve very well as the “Good guy but not a True Believer” character. They’ve already sorta been working this angle with him. It’s good for the audience to have someone they trust is on the side of good but who will still be cautious and cynical and call out situations when they other characters may seem to be going too extreme. This was one of the weaknesses of the Star Wars prequels- there was no stand-in for Han Solo from the original trilogy, no one to say “your noble cause is gonna get me killed, this is where I exit to save my own skin”. Skye filled this role in Season One, but she’s not that person anymore. If they really work Hunter into this role, it could be good for the character. > [@friedo](#): > > This show really needs to fire their lighting designer. I can’t see anything. How are you watching it? I used to mostly watch this show on my computer and, yeah, it really was too dark. Some scenes were really hard to make out. Anytime I watched on a real T.V. it looked fine (the newer kind of T.V., but not super high end and not very big). Just recently, I got a Chromecast so I can swipe the Hulu player up onto my T.V. and it looks great! Has anyone checked out the Season One DVD/Bluray set? I liked Season One but not really enough to buy it (especially since it’s on Netflix streaming now), and from what I remember from last year’s Threads none of us really _loved_ the show other than a few superior episodes. So, I wouldn’t be surprised to hear that no one here has bought it. I’m mostly asking because I am interested in the commentary tracks. Has anyone listened to the Season One commentary tracks? Are they any good? ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2014, 12:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s02e10-what-they-become-open-spoilers/706813/77 "2014-12-12T12:41:46Z")
> [@bienville](#): > > Has anyone listened to the Season One commentary tracks? Are they any good? It’s just Joss Whedon banging pots and singing “I am so great…!” ---
**Author:** ![RikWriter](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/49beb7/32.png) [@RikWriter](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RikWriter)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2014, 12:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s02e10-what-they-become-open-spoilers/706813/78 "2014-12-12T12:57:52Z")
I’ll definitely buy season two on DVD. ---
**Author:** ![friedo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/8edcca/32.png) [@friedo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/friedo)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2014, 1:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s02e10-what-they-become-open-spoilers/706813/79 "2014-12-12T13:13:51Z")
> [@RikWriter](#): > > How so? It seems perfectly clear to me. What part can’t you follow? Well, it’s been like six months and we still haven’t seen any explanation of what this magic artifact actually does, or what it has to do with the blue guys, or why Skye is now encased in carbonite, or what the hell Whitehall was up to (and now he’s dead, but maybe not because people in comic books are never actually dead.) Anyway, it just seems like this story is meandering forever and not really getting anywhere. The show has become entirely serialized and given up on the weird-guy-of-the-week shows that made the first season entertaining, and has made it clear that it is now a soap opera in which nothing will ever get resolved. So while my hopes are still high, it seems that AoS has basically become The X-Files season 7, except that every other scene now requires arcane knowledge from five decades of comic books which I really have no interest in reading. And I have to constantly rewind shit to see who gets killed in each fight because nobody will TURN A FUCKING LIGHT ON. > [@bienville](#): > > How are you watching it? I used to mostly watch this show on my computer and, yeah, it really was too dark. Some scenes were really hard to make out. Anytime I watched on a real T.V. it looked fine (the newer kind of T.V., but not super high end and not very big). Just recently, I got a Chromecast so I can swipe the Hulu player up onto my T.V. and it looks great! I’m watching it on my big plasma TV, TiVoed from cable. ---
**Author:** ![RikWriter](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/49beb7/32.png) [@RikWriter](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RikWriter)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2014, 1:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s02e10-what-they-become-open-spoilers/706813/80 "2014-12-12T13:41:05Z")
> [@friedo](#): > > Well, it’s been like six months and we still haven’t seen any explanation of what this magic artifact actually does, or what it has to do with the blue guys, or why Skye is now encased in carbonite, or what the hell Whitehall was up to (and now he’s dead, but maybe not because people in comic books are never actually dead.) All that was explained very clearly. The Diviner was designed by the Kree to filter out people who have the Kree-tinkered-with genetics and can survive the transformation process you saw in the temple. When one of the Chosen touches it, it gives them a map to where they need to go to transform into a Gifted individual. Whitehall only knew that it was dangerous alien technology and hoped to use it to create a weapon that killed people on a massive scale. He was wrong about its purpose and now he’s apparently dead. > [@](#): > > Anyway, it just seems like this story is meandering forever and not really getting anywhere. On the contrary, it’s developed a fascinating story arc and is progressing nicely. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s02e10-what-they-become-open-spoilers/706813.md?page=3) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s02e10-what-they-become-open-spoilers/706813.md?page=5)