# Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D S02E12: Who You Really Are **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [March 11, 2015, 12:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s02e12-who-you-really-are/714733 "2015-03-11T00:39:34Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![MaxTheVool](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/9fc29f/32.png) [@MaxTheVool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MaxTheVool)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2015, 5:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s02e12-who-you-really-are/714733/21 "2015-03-11T17:35:26Z")
> [@DigitalC](#): > > I assume by “reasons” you mean “guy she obviously liked getting horribly killed”. And that’s something that could have been handled in an interesting and subtle fashion, with grief building up and her lashing out and so forth. Instead, in about two lines of dialog she goes from someone who loves pretty much everyone to some kind of homicidal bigot. Which makes me think that by “reasons” I meant “the writers want there to be some conflict so they just arbitrarily decided that her character would suddenly be that way”. ---
**Author:** ![levdrakon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/49beb7/32.png) [@levdrakon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/levdrakon)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2015, 5:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s02e12-who-you-really-are/714733/22 "2015-03-11T17:38:45Z")
Well, they’re using Inhumans as a stand-in for mutants, and the big thing with mutants is they’re hated & feared by normals, who eventually enact laws against mutants, etc. So, it makes sense they’d introduce some of that fear on SHIELD. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2015, 5:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s02e12-who-you-really-are/714733/23 "2015-03-11T17:58:41Z")
> [@MaxTheVool](#): > > -Worst of all, Skye is being SUCH A MORON. So something mysterious happens to you and now strange things are occurring around you that you can’t control? What do you do? Hint: you do NOT keep it a secret from the people around you who (a) are geniuses, (b) are experienced in dealing with secret powers and so forth, (c) you love so you would be distraught if you accidentally caused an earthquake and killed them, and (d) they love you, so they can ensure that you don’t end up locked away like a lab experiment somehow. I don’t know why this gets my goat so much but it’s SUCH a ridiculous cliche, that what someone with a totally unknown disease/condition/whatever really needs is just to be around people they love. I mean, that’s important for psychological reasons, but that alone IS NOT GOING TO DO JACK SHIT. And maybe studying your powers will let the good guys (and there are still some good guys in the show’s universe) learn how to protect themselves from all the OTHER bad stuff that is going on. Don’t selfishly put your boo-hoo feelings ahead of the fate of EVERY HUMAN BEING ON THE PLANET. Sheesh. That’s the kind of crap that Joss Whedon is usually better than. And why _not_ have her go to Asgard? “_Keep her around with people she trusts_”??:rolleyes::dubious: _Trust_? Skye trusts no-one, and no one trusts Skye nor does _anyone_ trust _anyone_. She has a power she knows nothing about, that SHIELD knows nothing about, that Couson knows nothing about- a power she cant control and that the two experts say could destroy the Earth. One of those experts being a _Goddess._ But _noooo_. :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes: Screw the Earth, we have to protect our precious special butterfly Skye! Even tho they cant protect her and dont trust her- and she has shown she is not worthy of their trust on several occasions- including just recently. ---
**Author:** ![levdrakon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/49beb7/32.png) [@levdrakon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/levdrakon)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2015, 6:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s02e12-who-you-really-are/714733/24 "2015-03-11T18:11:22Z")
It would make sense for Skye to go to Asgard for some training at least. Or, she’ll need to spend time with other more experienced Inhumans like that Gordon guy who teleports. Right now she needs a Xavier or something, or she could trigger a mag 8 quake that could kill millions. ---
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2015, 6:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s02e12-who-you-really-are/714733/25 "2015-03-11T18:21:01Z")
> [@DrDeth](#): > > And why _not_ have her go to Asgard? Oh, yeah. Let’s send our friend and partner to Asgard where she’ll be surrounded by amoral aliens who want all of her kind exterminated. That makes perfect sense. : old rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2015, 6:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s02e12-who-you-really-are/714733/26 "2015-03-11T18:42:34Z")
> [@silenus](#): > > Oh, yeah. Let’s send our friend and partner to Asgard where she’ll be surrounded by amoral aliens who want all of her kind exterminated. That makes perfect sense. : old rolleyes: Not friend, not partner, and Coulson trusts the Asgardians, and by and large (except Loki) they have shown themselves to be friends you can trust. Unlike Skye. ---
**Author:** ![levdrakon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/49beb7/32.png) [@levdrakon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/levdrakon)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2015, 7:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s02e12-who-you-really-are/714733/27 "2015-03-11T19:48:04Z")
Asgardians aren’t amoral. They’ve appointed themselves protectors of the 9 realms (or whatever), including Earth. They don’t know certain Inhumans are nice. They’re Kree-made weapons. They’ll come around. Would Sif, Thor and the very wise Odin really kill Skye once it’s explained to them they can be innocent? No way. 🙂 And Heimdall could be a bit more helpful you’d think. Hey, where is Hydra? Right there. Hey, where’s this hidden base? Right there. ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2015, 7:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s02e12-who-you-really-are/714733/28 "2015-03-11T19:59:52Z")
> [@DrDeth](#): > > by and large (except Loki) they have shown themselves to be friends you can trust. Coulson’s seen precisely 7 Asgardians\* (and 3 of those just briefly), two of those have been evil: one of whom was responsible for the near-destruction of New York (and killing Coulson\*\*) and the other wreaked merry havoc on the men of Shield. I’d say the jury _should_ still be out on trusting them as a collective. - Not really counting that Asgardian-trapped-on-earth guy with the spear. \*\* He got better ---
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2015, 8:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s02e12-who-you-really-are/714733/29 "2015-03-11T20:28:51Z")
Very wise Odin? Haven’t seen _Thor 2_, have you? Exactly who is going to doing that explaining? Sif? The Kree? There _aren’t_ any entities in Asgard who would look out for Skye’s interests. She’d be, at the very least, shipped off to The Collector. More likely just killed out of hand. ---
**Author:** ![MaxTheVool](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/9fc29f/32.png) [@MaxTheVool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MaxTheVool)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2015, 8:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s02e12-who-you-really-are/714733/30 "2015-03-11T20:29:12Z")
> [@MrDibble](#): > > Coulson’s seen precisely 7 Asgardians\* (and 3 of those just briefly), two of those have been evil: one of whom was responsible for the near-destruction of New York (and killing Coulson\*\*) and the other wreaked merry havoc on the men of Shield. I’d say the jury _should_ still be out on trusting them as a collective. > > - Not really counting that Asgardian-trapped-on-earth guy with the spear. > > \*\* He got better Fine, then they ALL go to Asgard. Being a bit paranoid that other people don’t have Skye’s best interest at heart is reasonable. But believing that someone who just underwent alien magic and now is constantly almost causing earthquakes is safe to have around (presumably on an airplane, and on mission-critical SHIELD operations) just because of kumbaya is ridiculous. There’s a middle ground where the whole team goes to some nice tectonically stable place somewhere and they aren’t in an airplane and they contact some experts (including possibly Asgardians) and they spend some time actually studying Skye and seeing what is going on, while ensuring that she isn’t treated cruelly or exploited. Studying her doesn’t automatically imply vivisection. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2015, 8:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s02e12-who-you-really-are/714733/31 "2015-03-11T20:35:38Z")
> [@MrDibble](#): > > Coulson’s seen precisely 7 Asgardians\* (and 3 of those just briefly), two of those have been evil: one of whom was responsible for the near-destruction of New York (and killing Coulson\*\*) and the other wreaked merry havoc on the men of Shield. I’d say the jury _should_ still be out on trusting them as a collective. Besides Loki who was the other one? 😕 ---
**Author:** ![levdrakon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/49beb7/32.png) [@levdrakon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/levdrakon)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2015, 8:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s02e12-who-you-really-are/714733/32 "2015-03-11T20:53:26Z")
> [@silenus](#): > > Very wise Odin? Haven’t seen _Thor 2_, have you? > > Exactly who is going to doing that explaining? Sif? The Kree? There _aren’t_ any entities in Asgard who would look out for Skye’s interests. She’d be, at the very least, shipped off to The Collector. More likely just killed out of hand. As soon as she flashes those puppy dog eyes, the Asgardians will be pudding, just like Coulson’s team. ---
**Author:** ![muldoonthief](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/muldoonthief/32/3188_2.png) [@muldoonthief](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/muldoonthief)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2015, 8:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s02e12-who-you-really-are/714733/33 "2015-03-11T20:57:16Z")
> [@silenus](#): > > Very wise Odin? Haven’t seen _Thor 2_, have you? > > Exactly who is going to doing that explaining? Sif? The Kree? There _aren’t_ any entities in Asgard who would look out for Skye’s interests. She’d be, at the very least, shipped off to The Collector. More likely just killed out of hand. Yep, Sif’s first reaction when they told her someone had been changed - “Has it been put down?” And even later, Sif never said anything about training Skye, just taking her to Asgard to keep Earth safe - I think the very best Skye could hope for in Asgard would to be locked permanently in a somewhat comfortable cell. Maybe one that floods with a poison gas if any tremors are detected. ---
**Author:** ![Intergalactic\_Gladiator](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/intergalactic_gladiator/32/112_2.png) [@Intergalactic\_Gladiator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Intergalactic_Gladiator)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2015, 8:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s02e12-who-you-really-are/714733/34 "2015-03-11T20:59:39Z")
> [@levdrakon](#): > > As soon as she flashes those puppy dog eyes, the Asgardians will be pudding, just like Coulson’s team. Does her superpower that forces everyone to stand around and talk about how special she is affect Asgardians? ---
**Author:** ![Telemark](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/telemark/32/372_2.png) [@Telemark](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Telemark)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2015, 9:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s02e12-who-you-really-are/714733/35 "2015-03-11T21:02:01Z")
> [@DrDeth](#): > > Besides Loki who was the other one? 😕 The pseudo-Enchantress we saw in Season 1, who turned Ward into her pawn. ---
**Author:** ![levdrakon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/49beb7/32.png) [@levdrakon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/levdrakon)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2015, 9:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s02e12-who-you-really-are/714733/36 "2015-03-11T21:02:17Z")
> [@Intergalactic\_Gladiator](#): > > Does her superpower that forces everyone to stand around and talk about how special she is affect Asgardians? Of course! Hulk is around and he could do more damage than Skye. ---
**Author:** ![Alessan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alessan/32/465_2.png) [@Alessan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alessan)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2015, 9:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s02e12-who-you-really-are/714733/37 "2015-03-11T21:11:32Z")
They really should organize a sit-down between Skye and Bruce Banner. Have him give her tips on emotional equilibrium. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2015, 9:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s02e12-who-you-really-are/714733/38 "2015-03-11T21:11:35Z")
> [@muldoonthief](#): > > Yep, Sif’s first reaction when they told her someone had been changed - “Has it been put down?” And even later, Sif never said anything about training Skye, just taking her to Asgard to keep Earth safe - I think the very best Skye could hope for in Asgard would to be locked permanently in a somewhat comfortable cell. Maybe one that floods with a poison gas if any tremors are detected. Which would improve the series enormously. Except \*one that floods with a poison gas if \*_any_ \*\*breathing \*\*_is detected._ I thought this damn show was gonna be about \*Coulson, \*dammit- not another stupid waif-girl. ---
**Author:** ![levdrakon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/49beb7/32.png) [@levdrakon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/levdrakon)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2015, 9:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s02e12-who-you-really-are/714733/39 "2015-03-11T21:26:01Z")
> [@Lightray](#): > > Of the two, all evidence in this episode is that it’s Mack who’s the danger needing to be locked up. I’d be okay with locking up Mac. He’s got some Kree-powered Hulk rage in him. Kinda like Cal. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2015, 3:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s02e12-who-you-really-are/714733/40 "2015-03-12T03:28:25Z")
> [@MaxTheVool](#): > > So 7 minutes of screen time and a fairly obvious plot simultaneously decapitates every major head of HYDRA? Umm, good going guys! Maybe you should have taken the gloves off sooner? Initiating a succession fight among the Hydra heads wasn’t really an option before Whitehall’s death upset the existing equilibrium. Coulson’s plan was to give things a push when they were already unstable. > [@MaxTheVool](#): > > Worst of all, Skye is being SUCH A MORON. To be fair, she’s always been kind of a moron. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s02e12-who-you-really-are/714733.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s02e12-who-you-really-are/714733.md?page=3)