# Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D S02E13: One of Us **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [March 18, 2015, 12:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s02e13-one-of-us/715251 "2015-03-18T00:31:16Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![muldoonthief](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/muldoonthief/32/3188_2.png) [@muldoonthief](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/muldoonthief)\ **Post date:** [March 18, 2015, 6:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s02e13-one-of-us/715251/41 "2015-03-18T18:36:08Z")
Stark never saw Coulson’s corpse. Not on screen at least. He was busy fixing the Helicarrier engine while Coulson was taking on Loki. Thor saw Coulson get stabbed, but Coulson was still alive when Thor got ejected. Fury told Stark and everyone else that Coulson was dead. If anything, when he finds out Coulson is alive he’ll just assume it’s another example of Fury being a lying bastard, not that Fury had resurrection technology. ---
**Author:** ![levdrakon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/49beb7/32.png) [@levdrakon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/levdrakon)\ **Post date:** [March 18, 2015, 6:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s02e13-one-of-us/715251/42 "2015-03-18T18:42:12Z")
What about the Tahiti thing? People kept asking Coulson about his vacation in Tahiti and he kept saying “it’s a magical place.” So, lots of people were told Coulson just took a vacation. ---
**Author:** ![muldoonthief](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/muldoonthief/32/3188_2.png) [@muldoonthief](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/muldoonthief)\ **Post date:** [March 18, 2015, 6:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s02e13-one-of-us/715251/43 "2015-03-18T18:47:17Z")
The cover story is that he was medically dead for 47 seconds or something like that, but recovered through conventional means, and that a large portion of that recovery took place in Tahiti. If that was true, it would have meant that Fury lied to the Avengers. The fact that he was dead for days (or was it weeks?) and resurrected by Kree blood and memory replacement is probably still a very closely guarded secret, outside Fury and Coulson’s team. And Ward. And whatever Romanoff put on the internet in Winter Soldier. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [March 18, 2015, 7:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s02e13-one-of-us/715251/44 "2015-03-18T19:09:15Z")
> [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > And you really think Tony Stark wouldn’t remember if he found out Coulson was alive? The key point here is _alive_. Stark saw Coulson’s corpse. Finding out that somebody has the power to bring dead people back to life is not the kind of thing that would slip your mind. Like every Hospital ER has? They can bring you back to life now, if you’re only “mostly dead” and as far as any of the Avengers knew, Coulson might well have been only “mostly dead”. ---
**Author:** ![Chimera](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/8e8cbc/32.png) [@Chimera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chimera)\ **Post date:** [March 18, 2015, 7:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s02e13-one-of-us/715251/45 "2015-03-18T19:15:41Z")
_sigh_ I want to watch this show, but I just can’t. I have friends who watch it and keep trying to tell me that I’ll like it. Why can’t I watch it? Because everything I see (and the two episodes I’ve watched) is all ANGST more ANGST and fuck tons of Betrayal and constant turns. I joke that every fucking character on the show, Coulson included, will turn out to be a Hydra agent at some point. Or am I completely wrong? ---
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [March 18, 2015, 7:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s02e13-one-of-us/715251/46 "2015-03-18T19:20:45Z")
You are completely wrong. And completely right as well. Lots of angst and betrayal, but that comes with the territory. Comic book spy thrillers aren’t going to be all sit-com/rom-com sweetness. Hydra is pretty much out of it for now. But that leaves every other Secret Organization with Nefarious/Questionable/Secretive goals in the Marvel universe still in play. 😛 ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [March 18, 2015, 7:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s02e13-one-of-us/715251/47 "2015-03-18T19:53:04Z")
> [@silenus](#): > > And completely right as well. Lots of angst and betrayal, but that comes with the territory. Comic book spy thrillers aren’t going to be all sit-com/rom-com sweetness. But I hurt myself laughing when Coulson said “Skye needs to be among people she trusts” or something like that as no-one trusts anyone. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [March 18, 2015, 8:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s02e13-one-of-us/715251/48 "2015-03-18T20:33:12Z")
The Avengers weren’t told that Coulson was dead for 47 seconds before being revived. They were told he was dead in the permanent sense. And this is the same story that most people have been told. Remember the first episode - even most of the people in Shield believed Coulson was dead. The 47 second revival story was the cover story they told the people with Level 7 clearance - including Coulson himself. These are the only people who are supposed to know that Coulson was revived. ---
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [March 18, 2015, 8:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s02e13-one-of-us/715251/49 "2015-03-18T20:34:47Z")
> [@DrDeth](#): > > But I hurt myself laughing when Coulson said “Skye needs to be among people she trusts” or something like that as **no-one trusts anyone**. That can’t be right. I’m sure Skye trusts Fitz and May. Coulson trusts (until next episode) Bobbi and Mack. Other than that, I got nothin’. ---
**Author:** ![levdrakon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/49beb7/32.png) [@levdrakon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/levdrakon)\ **Post date:** [March 18, 2015, 8:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s02e13-one-of-us/715251/50 "2015-03-18T20:58:39Z")
Skye trusts Coulson like a father, as well as May & Fitz. Simmons, Mac & Bobbi are iffy, but being under Coulson’s protection is way better than whoever else would take custody of her, at least until she meets a nice Inhuman. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [March 18, 2015, 9:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s02e13-one-of-us/715251/51 "2015-03-18T21:02:15Z")
> [@levdrakon](#): > > Skye trusts Coulson like a father, as well as May & Fitz. Then why didn’t she tell any of them about her little quake problem?:dubious: ---
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [March 18, 2015, 9:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s02e13-one-of-us/715251/52 "2015-03-18T21:33:16Z")
It’s not a _problem_, man! I can _handle_ it, you know? I just get a little…trembly at times. But I can deal with it…it isn’t a _problem_. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_Q](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/898d66/32.png) [@Johnny\_Q](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_Q)\ **Post date:** [March 18, 2015, 10:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s02e13-one-of-us/715251/53 "2015-03-18T22:29:03Z")
Once she gets more cotrol over her power, Skye’s new codename will be Urban Renewal. Unfortunately, leveling the dungeon from outside before the adventure tends to put a crimp on storytelling, so her “Hulk problem” will continue for a while. Perhaps a chat with Dr. Banner will help herr. ---
**Author:** ![Lightray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lightray/32/391_2.png) [@Lightray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lightray)\ **Post date:** [March 18, 2015, 11:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s02e13-one-of-us/715251/54 "2015-03-18T23:54:30Z")
> [@DrDeth](#): > > Then why didn’t she tell any of them about her little quake problem?:dubious: It’s not clear she knew she had her Quake powers until Fitz scared them out of her. Before that, she knew something had happened to her, but it’s not like she woke up and realized “hey, superpowerz”. When Fitz _did_ scare it out of her, he then came back and bumrushed her into going along with his deception of kill-‘em’-all Gemma. She obviously had reservations about doing so. And the very next episode, she fessed up to Coulson and May. … Whereupon the entire band of trained-killer superspies started complaining about how they needed to be _protected_ from her. So, Fitz made a good point. ---
**Author:** ![muldoonthief](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/muldoonthief/32/3188_2.png) [@muldoonthief](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/muldoonthief)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2015, 12:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s02e13-one-of-us/715251/55 "2015-03-19T00:17:05Z")
> [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > The Avengers weren’t told that Coulson was dead for 47 seconds before being revived. They were told he was dead in the permanent sense. And this is the same story that most people have been told. Remember the first episode - even most of the people in Shield believed Coulson was dead. > > The 47 second revival story was the cover story they told the people with Level 7 clearance - including Coulson himself. These are the only people who are supposed to know that Coulson was revived. Right, but forget the cover story. When the Avengers see that Coulson is alive, will they assume some magical resurrection technology, or will they assume Fury lied to them about Coulson being dead? Remember that the reveal, if it happens, will come in a movie that has to make sense to people who watched the first Avenger movie, but haven’t watched Agents of SHIELD. Because the last thing Marvel will do is get to the point where you can’t follow the movies unless you’ve watched the TV shows too. They like money too much to do that. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2015, 5:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s02e13-one-of-us/715251/56 "2015-03-19T05:33:06Z")
> [@muldoonthief](#): > > Right, but forget the cover story. When the Avengers see that Coulson is alive, will they assume some magical resurrection technology, or will they assume Fury lied to them about Coulson being dead? Remember that the reveal, if it happens, will come in a movie that has to make sense to people who watched the first Avenger movie, but haven’t watched Agents of SHIELD. Because the last thing Marvel will do is get to the point where you can’t follow the movies unless you’ve watched the TV shows too. They like money too much to do that. Could make for an interesting scene in the Avengers 2 movie. Fury: Hi guys. What’s up? Stark: Oh my God, Fury, you’re alive. Fury: Yeah, I faked my own death. Stark: What? I can’t believe you’d lie to us like that. Fury: I guess as long as we’re clearing the air, I should tell you Coulson’s alive too. Stark: How could you betray our trust? Fury: I had to. I was under orders. Stark: Orders from who? Fury: JFK. ---
**Author:** ![Algernon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/a183cd/32.png) [@Algernon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Algernon)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2015, 1:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s02e13-one-of-us/715251/57 "2015-03-19T13:18:51Z")
> [@Chimera](#): > > Because everything I see (and the two episodes I’ve watched) is all ANGST more ANGST and fuck tons of Betrayal and constant turns. I joke that every fucking character on the show, Coulson included, will turn out to be a Hydra agent at some point. I watch the show, and pretty much feel the same way you do. I generally dislike what I’m doing here, which is posting complaints in a thread I’m reading about a show I’m watching. I just wanted you to know you’re not alone in left field. And I keep hoping the writers will focus on a good-guys vs bad-guys storyline rather than all these serpentine betrayal subplots. ---
**Author:** ![Chimera](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/8e8cbc/32.png) [@Chimera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chimera)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2015, 1:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s02e13-one-of-us/715251/58 "2015-03-19T13:58:45Z")
> [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > Fury: I had to. I was under orders. > Stark: Orders from who? > Fury: JFK. Only if JFK is played by the guy who claimed to be him in Bubba Hotep; John F. Kennedy (Ossie Davis), once president of the United States. His death faked, half his brain removed and replaced with a bag of sand, and his body dyed black by the CIA, Kennedy is also a resident of this same rest home - that’s his story, at least. The woman who claims to be his niece is nice enough, and he fears for his life if he goes public, so he sits, re-creating Dealey Plaza in miniature, trying to figure out just what happened to him. He’s the only one who believes his neighbor Elvis really is who he claims to be (though Elvis believes he’s nuts). ---
**Author:** ![MrAtoz](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@MrAtoz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrAtoz)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2015, 2:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s02e13-one-of-us/715251/59 "2015-03-19T14:28:54Z")
> [@Chimera](#): > > Only if JFK is played by the guy who claimed to be him in Bubba Hotep; Sadly, Ossie Davis is no longer available. ---
**Author:** ![simster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/simster/32/1047_2.png) [@simster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/simster)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2015, 3:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s02e13-one-of-us/715251/60 "2015-03-19T15:11:40Z")
> [@MrAtoz](#): > > Sadly, Ossie Davis is no longer available. Oh- so you’re not level 8? \ [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s02e13-one-of-us/715251.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s02e13-one-of-us/715251.md?page=4)