# Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D S02E14: Love in the Time of Hydra" **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [March 25, 2015, 1:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s02e14-love-in-the-time-of-hydra/715911 "2015-03-25T01:28:11Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![pricciar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/f4b2a3/32.png) [@pricciar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pricciar)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2015, 1:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s02e14-love-in-the-time-of-hydra/715911/1 "2015-03-25T01:28:11Z")
“Love in the Time of Hydra” Directed by: Jesse Bochco Written by: Brent Fletcher Fantastic title. Perhaps the best the show has come up with so far. I’m guessing this means we will get to see good ole Ward again. I wonder what he has been up to. [Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D S02E01: Shadows](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=735202) [Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D S02E02: Heavy is the Head](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=735949) [Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D S02E03: Making Friends And Influencing People (open spoilers)](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=736682) [Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D S02E04: Face My Enemy](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=737365) [Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D S02E05: A Hen in the Wolf House](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=738138) [Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D S02E06: A Fractured House](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=738875) [Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D S02E07: The Writing on the Wall](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=740542) [Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D S02E08: The Things We Bury](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=17911046) [Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D S02E09:…Ye Who Enter Here](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=742435) [Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D S02E10: What They Become](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=743084) [Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D S02E11: Aftershocks](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=750827) [Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D S02E12: Who You Really Are](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=751400) [Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D S02E13: One of Us](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=751940) ---
**Author:** ![levdrakon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/49beb7/32.png) [@levdrakon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/levdrakon)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2015, 3:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s02e14-love-in-the-time-of-hydra/715911/2 "2015-03-25T03:30:52Z")
Go Hunter! I was kinda thinking Coulson has Bob doing deep cover again, like she did inside Hydra, but I guess with Coulson & May both concluding Mac is dirty, that’s out. I knew May wasn’t buying Mac’s excuses anymore. Got kinda burned out on Adama, so he makes a good bad guy this time. Did someone forget to Gordon-proof Skye’s little compound? Oops. Maybe shoulda given that two thoughts. Talbot cracks me up. “Get down on the ground now!” “Honey!” Talbot knows the mask can impersonate a male. That was sloppy. ---
**Author:** ![Declan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ecae2f/32.png) [@Declan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Declan)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2015, 4:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s02e14-love-in-the-time-of-hydra/715911/3 "2015-03-25T04:00:24Z")
> [@levdrakon](#): > > Go Hunter! > > I was kinda thinking Coulson has Bob doing deep cover again, like she did inside Hydra, but I guess with Coulson & May both concluding Mac is dirty, that’s out. I knew May wasn’t buying Mac’s excuses anymore. > > Got kinda burned out on Adama, so he makes a good bad guy this time. > > Did someone forget to Gordon-proof Skye’s little compound? Oops. Maybe shoulda given that two thoughts. > > Talbot cracks me up. > “Get down on the ground now!” > “Honey!” > > Talbot knows the mask can impersonate a male. That was sloppy. Adama flying another carrier, so …sweeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeet ---
**Author:** ![Push\_You\_Down](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/push_you_down/32/9095_2.png) [@Push\_You\_Down](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Push_You_Down)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2015, 5:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s02e14-love-in-the-time-of-hydra/715911/4 "2015-03-25T05:15:15Z")
I like Talbot as a hardcase who is always one step behind…not a buffoon. This episode wasn’t very good at all. ---
**Author:** ![AK84](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/85e7bf/32.png) [@AK84](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AK84)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2015, 10:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s02e14-love-in-the-time-of-hydra/715911/5 "2015-03-25T10:21:20Z")
> [@levdrakon](#): > > Talbot knows the mask can impersonate a male. That was sloppy. Actually, the mask only affects the facial features and body type. It does not change clothing. Talbot was right to guess that intruder (who he saw was wearing unmistakably women’s clothing) would likely be a woman or wearing female attire. What was unrealistic was the fact she changed so quickly into chubby airman’s uniform, what with everyone running about. ---
**Author:** ![muldoonthief](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/muldoonthief/32/3188_2.png) [@muldoonthief](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/muldoonthief)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2015, 1:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s02e14-love-in-the-time-of-hydra/715911/6 "2015-03-25T13:21:25Z")
So in a previous episode, it appeared that Coulson has a list of every single SHIELD asset and agent, and their status after the Hydra incident. Did this aircraft carrier and hundreds (thousands?) of agents somehow not make it onto the list? And I know “black gear with a helmet” is pretty standard, but man, those SHIELD guards did look like they walked right off the Galactica set. ---
**Author:** ![Telemark](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/telemark/32/372_2.png) [@Telemark](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Telemark)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2015, 1:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s02e14-love-in-the-time-of-hydra/715911/7 "2015-03-25T13:55:00Z")
OK episode, not great. Nice to see Ward back - there’s really no way the audience is ever going to trust him again. He’s clearly lying to Agent 33 (his remarks about his family) and the only question is “Is he lying to himself?” With the discussion about how his former handler (spacing his name) molded him into a killer you have to wonder what he’s molding Agent 33 into? I assume it’s for his own ends. And they’ve killed several people including the guy who helped with the mask and several guards, so they’re not really redeemable. Interesting comments he made about Skye, but either he’s secretly still in love with her or planning his revenge on her. Watching this with my wife she remarked that everything the SHIELD v2.0 agents were saying was true. She is actually rooting for them, not Coulson. Not hard to see how people can pick sides. In her own way I really think Simmons is trying to do what’s best for Skye. I predict that she’s going to make a stand somewhere down the road and it’s going be to defend Skye. My gut feel is that Bobbi is a double agent for Coulson, but that doesn’t seem likely. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/the_other_waldo_pepper/32/12370_2.png) [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Other_Waldo_Pepper)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2015, 2:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s02e14-love-in-the-time-of-hydra/715911/8 "2015-03-25T14:04:06Z")
> [@muldoonthief](#): > > And I know “black gear with a helmet” is pretty standard, but man, those SHIELD guards did look like they walked right off the Galactica set. It’s as if all of this has happened before. ---
**Author:** ![levdrakon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/49beb7/32.png) [@levdrakon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/levdrakon)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2015, 2:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s02e14-love-in-the-time-of-hydra/715911/9 "2015-03-25T14:47:13Z")
> [@Declan](#): > > Adama flying another carrier, so …sweeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeet Now that you mention it, I suppose we should be on the lookout for BSG easter eggs & references. ---
**Author:** ![muldoonthief](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/muldoonthief/32/3188_2.png) [@muldoonthief](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/muldoonthief)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2015, 3:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s02e14-love-in-the-time-of-hydra/715911/10 "2015-03-25T15:10:39Z")
Like Agent 33? Whose real name is Kara? ---
**Author:** ![levdrakon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/49beb7/32.png) [@levdrakon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/levdrakon)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2015, 3:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s02e14-love-in-the-time-of-hydra/715911/11 "2015-03-25T15:45:30Z")
> [@muldoonthief](#): > > So in a previous episode, it appeared that Coulson has a list of every single SHIELD asset and agent, and their status after the Hydra incident. Did this aircraft carrier and hundreds (thousands?) of agents somehow not make it onto the list? > > And I know “black gear with a helmet” is pretty standard, but man, those SHIELD guards did look like they walked right off the Galactica set. If the carrier disappeared, wouldn’t they assume Hydra got it? Hydra got a lot of sweet military equipment. ---
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2015, 4:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s02e14-love-in-the-time-of-hydra/715911/12 "2015-03-25T16:03:23Z")
😛 > [@Telemark](#): > > My gut feel is that Bobbi is a double agent for Coulson, but that doesn’t seem likely. Triple agent for Fury. 😛 ---
**Author:** ![Lightray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lightray/32/391_2.png) [@Lightray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lightray)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2015, 4:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s02e14-love-in-the-time-of-hydra/715911/13 "2015-03-25T16:15:04Z")
> [@muldoonthief](#): > > And I know “black gear with a helmet” is pretty standard, but man, those SHIELD guards did look like they walked right off the Galactica set. My first thought was “Well, _that_ doesn’t look like a HYDRA base.” If you want people to think you’re the Good Guys, wear bright colors and _ **turn on the damn lights** _. Black gear and dim lighting I expect it to be all Spaceballs with stormtroopers and Darths stumbling into everything. ---
**Author:** ![Intergalactic\_Gladiator](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/intergalactic_gladiator/32/112_2.png) [@Intergalactic\_Gladiator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Intergalactic_Gladiator)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2015, 5:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s02e14-love-in-the-time-of-hydra/715911/14 "2015-03-25T17:40:16Z")
> [@levdrakon](#): > > Talbot cracks me up. > “Get down on the ground now!” > “Honey!” That line about the Edible Arrangements killed me. ---
**Author:** ![Push\_You\_Down](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/push_you_down/32/9095_2.png) [@Push\_You\_Down](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Push_You_Down)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2015, 5:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s02e14-love-in-the-time-of-hydra/715911/15 "2015-03-25T17:55:57Z")
> [@muldoonthief](#): > > So in a previous episode, it appeared that Coulson has a list of every single SHIELD asset and agent, and their status after the Hydra incident. Did this aircraft carrier and hundreds (thousands?) of agents somehow not make it onto the list? He may have had a list of their status but that doesn’t mean they stayed put. Not all of them or even a significant number went with Coulson. As seen at the end of Cap 2- Sharon went to the CIA. Hill went to Stark. I’m sure a lot of them went different ways. Coulson picked up ones that wanted to stay SHIELD. This SHIELDv3 probably scooped up anyone else or has even been recruiting. ---
**Author:** ![levdrakon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/49beb7/32.png) [@levdrakon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/levdrakon)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2015, 6:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s02e14-love-in-the-time-of-hydra/715911/16 "2015-03-25T18:00:10Z")
Bobby sorta let Hunter go. Adama sorta didn’t wet his pants over it. All part of the plan? ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2015, 6:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s02e14-love-in-the-time-of-hydra/715911/17 "2015-03-25T18:06:28Z")
> [@levdrakon](#): > > Bobby sorta let Hunter go. Adama sorta didn’t wet his pants over it. All part of the plan? There is no character named Adama in this show. You mean Robert Gonzales (Edward James Olmos)? In any case Adama was played by Lorne Greene, who passed in 1987. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_Q](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/898d66/32.png) [@Johnny\_Q](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_Q)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2015, 6:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s02e14-love-in-the-time-of-hydra/715911/18 "2015-03-25T18:30:50Z")
I think Bobbi sorta figured that the rest of an elite covert agency stationed on a boat in the middle of nowhere could probably stop one guy before he got away. > [@](#): > > “I won’t stop you, but everybody else will.” Paul Giamatti’s line from \*Shoot 'em Up \* comes to mind: > [@](#): > > “Do we really suck or is he really that good?” ---
**Author:** ![levdrakon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/49beb7/32.png) [@levdrakon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/levdrakon)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2015, 6:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s02e14-love-in-the-time-of-hydra/715911/19 "2015-03-25T18:35:30Z")
> [@DrDeth](#): > > There is no character named Adama in this show. You mean Robert Gonzales (Edward James Olmos)? > In any case Adama was played by Lorne Greene, who passed in 1987. Okay then. Gaff. ---
**Author:** ![Lightray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lightray/32/391_2.png) [@Lightray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lightray)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2015, 7:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s02e14-love-in-the-time-of-hydra/715911/20 "2015-03-25T19:01:58Z")
> [@levdrakon](#): > > Bobby sorta let Hunter go. Adama sorta didn’t wet his pants over it. All part of the plan? I was wondering if Angry Hey-It’s-That-Guy playing Adama’s lieutenant was part an Adama goodcop/badcop to test Bobbi. So, was this just a SHIELD aircraft carrier, or does Adama have the SHIELD helicarrier? Either way, you’d think someone would’ve kept track of that thing. Maybe bring up its whereabouts in the Congressional hearings that Natasha had to go to. [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s02e14-love-in-the-time-of-hydra/715911.md?page=2)