# Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D S02E14: Love in the Time of Hydra" **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [March 25, 2015, 1:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s02e14-love-in-the-time-of-hydra/715911 "2015-03-25T01:28:11Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Trion](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ccd318/32.png) [@Trion](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trion)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2015, 2:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s02e14-love-in-the-time-of-hydra/715911/41 "2015-03-26T14:20:03Z")
> [@DrDeth](#): > > There is no character named Adama in this show. You mean Robert Gonzales (Edward James Olmos)? > [@dropzone](#): > > There is no character named Colonel Tigh in this show. You mean Agent Calderon (Kirk Acevedo)? I’m going to call them Adama and Charlie. And NOBODY CAN STOP ME!!! Muahahahahah!!! [sub]Sorry.[/sub] Anyway - - - I don’t understand the problem New SHIELD has with Coulson? He has secrets? So? As a spy agency, shouldn’t they have secrets? What, specifically, do they expect to do differently? Be more forthcoming with the field agents? Perform mission live streaming on YouTube? ---
**Author:** ![Ethilrist](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ethilrist/32/4604_2.png) [@Ethilrist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ethilrist)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2015, 2:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s02e14-love-in-the-time-of-hydra/715911/42 "2015-03-26T14:53:03Z")
> [@galen ubal](#): > > I was annoyed how Talbot was played as a fool - you don’t reach that rank if you’re that much of a buffoon. Well, _somebody_ told him that haircut looks good on him… > [@Little Nemo](#): > > The Shield 2 idea is interesting but it defies my suspension of belief that it’s supposedly existed all this time with Shield 1 knowing about it. I also field that the Shield 2 people could have done a better job of presenting themselves. Yeah, it’s totally unreasonable that there could be a covert group hiding within Shield. That’d never work. > [@gonzoron](#): > > Hunter’s good, but good enough to steal a sub or plane or whatever he stole off an armed carrier on alert? Ridiculous. It was too easy; they let him go. They probably planted a tracker on him so they can follow him back to the rebel base. ---
**Author:** ![Telemark](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/telemark/32/372_2.png) [@Telemark](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Telemark)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2015, 2:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s02e14-love-in-the-time-of-hydra/715911/43 "2015-03-26T14:54:33Z")
> [@Trion](#): > > What, specifically, do they expect to do differently? Not inject the director with alien DNA? ---
**Author:** ![Cayuga](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/3e96dc/32.png) [@Cayuga](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cayuga)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2015, 2:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s02e14-love-in-the-time-of-hydra/715911/44 "2015-03-26T14:59:50Z")
> [@gonzoron](#): > > That mask is really something… it can change body size and shape too? > [@Telemark](#): > > I think they did a pretty good job of showing that the mask only affected the face. The voice never changed, nor the height, and the bodies were hidden by bulky clothes. Ward even said to the actor playing Agent 33 playing the male GI, “The uniform’s a little big for you,” and s/he replied, “This was the shortest male I could find,” or something to that effect. ---
**Author:** ![Trion](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ccd318/32.png) [@Trion](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trion)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2015, 3:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s02e14-love-in-the-time-of-hydra/715911/45 "2015-03-26T15:05:04Z")
> [@Telemark](#): > > Not inject the director with alien DNA? Then they should be fine with Coulson. He never did that. ---
**Author:** ![Neverending\_Elbow](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/e274bd/32.png) [@Neverending\_Elbow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Neverending_Elbow)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2015, 3:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s02e14-love-in-the-time-of-hydra/715911/46 "2015-03-26T15:08:38Z")
> [@Trion](#): > > Anyway - - - I don’t understand the problem New SHIELD has with Coulson? He has secrets? So? As a spy agency, shouldn’t they have secrets? What, specifically, do they expect to do differently? Be more forthcoming with the field agents? Perform mission live streaming on YouTube? Yeah, that’s what I was wondering. They want a more open and candid spy agency? And they are trying to achieve that by remaining hidden and sending undercover agents in? What? I think it means, they just don’t like it anyone kept secrets from them, but they can keep all the secrets they want. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2015, 3:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s02e14-love-in-the-time-of-hydra/715911/47 "2015-03-26T15:11:09Z")
> [@Trion](#): > > Anyway - - - I don’t understand the problem New SHIELD has with Coulson? He has secrets? So? As a spy agency, shouldn’t they have secrets? What, specifically, do they expect to do differently? Be more forthcoming with the field agents? Perform mission live streaming on YouTube? That’s the problem I’m having. I can see why Gonzalez’ Shield might want to take over Coulson’s Shield and add it to its own organization - but why treat it as an enemy? Coulson’s team has been fighting Hydra, defending Earth from aliens, neutralizing superpowered villians, etc - why should the other Shield have a problem with this? I think it would actually make for a more interesting story. If Gonzalez was just trying to take over Coulson’s group it wouldn’t be a clear threat - some of the members of the team might wonder if this was necessarily a bad idea. And this is true for us viewers as well. I think it might be good to see Coulson back as a team leader answering to somebody above rather than being the director of the whole organization. ---
**Author:** ![Darth\_Panda](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ee7513/32.png) [@Darth\_Panda](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Darth_Panda)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2015, 3:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s02e14-love-in-the-time-of-hydra/715911/48 "2015-03-26T15:15:48Z")
> [@gonzoron](#): > > Delightfully creepy scene of 33 as Skye. Though it did remind me of a scene from _Angel_. Lilah as Fred, anyone? “Leave them on.” It took me right to Buffybot… ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2015, 4:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s02e14-love-in-the-time-of-hydra/715911/49 "2015-03-26T16:31:46Z")
> [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > That’s the problem I’m having. I can see why Gonzalez’ Shield might want to take over Coulson’s Shield and add it to its own organization - but why treat it as an enemy? Coulson’s team has been fighting Hydra, defending Earth from aliens, neutralizing superpowered villians, etc - why should the other Shield have a problem with this? > > I think it would actually make for a more interesting story. If Gonzalez was just trying to take over Coulson’s group it wouldn’t be a clear threat - some of the members of the team might wonder if this was necessarily a bad idea. And this is true for us viewers as well. I think it might be good to see Coulson back as a team leader answering to somebody above rather than being the director of the whole organization. Yeah, that makes no sense. Also, how exactly was Coulson made the Director?😕 Other than by a “dead man” telling him he was? Why not just tell Coulson that Gonzales is the Director, not him? ---
**Author:** ![levdrakon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/49beb7/32.png) [@levdrakon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/levdrakon)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2015, 4:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s02e14-love-in-the-time-of-hydra/715911/50 "2015-03-26T16:40:23Z")
> [@gonzoron](#): > > I feel like this whole 2nd Shield thing is the writers regretting killing off Hydra so completely. They want the intra-team intrigue stuff, but Ward and Hydra already did it so well, this comes off as second-rate knockoff. It also introduces an important theme. We have some who think aliens & superpowered people are acceptable and potentially helpful and useful, and on the other side we have those who see aliens and superpowered beings as a dangerous threat. We can only trash New York so many times before people complain and say “we must do something!” ---
**Author:** ![Orr\_G](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/ee59a6/32.png) [@Orr\_G](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Orr_G)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2015, 5:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s02e14-love-in-the-time-of-hydra/715911/51 "2015-03-26T17:53:23Z")
> [@gonzoron](#): > > Did the diner scene remind anyone of Pulp Fiction, or just me? The wife and I had to replay that scene since she was inspired to do her excellent Honeybunny impression, and I broke out in my abysmal acapella of Miserlou (I rock the air guitar, tho). That would have been a pretty awesome moment for Fury to make a reappearance, even if that would have trashed the plot. Oh well. ---
**Author:** ![gonzoron](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/a6a055/32.png) [@gonzoron](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gonzoron)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2015, 7:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s02e14-love-in-the-time-of-hydra/715911/52 "2015-03-26T19:09:45Z")
> [@Telemark](#): > > I think they did a pretty good job of showing that the mask only affected the face. The voice never changed, nor the height, and the bodies were hidden by bulky clothes. I didn’t look at the hands, so I’m not sure how visible they were. The uniformed lieutenant (?) that Talbot cheek-pinched had noticeably large breasts that the male soldier did not, bulky clothes or no. And we got a good look at Mrs. Talbot’s hands to show the ring. They look a good deal older than Skye’s when she squeezed Ward’s shoulders from behind. I mean, yeah, we know these are all different actors playing the same character. But it strains credulity quite a bit that no one would notice if her body didn’t match the face. (at the very least, it should have been something Talbot would have checked for the one female soldier in his lineup who was black. Hands not white? you’re legit.) Ming Na is stunningly well-preserved at 51. But there’s no way her hands look like 22 year old Chloe Bennet’s. ---
**Author:** ![Intergalactic\_Gladiator](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/intergalactic_gladiator/32/112_2.png) [@Intergalactic\_Gladiator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Intergalactic_Gladiator)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2015, 8:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s02e14-love-in-the-time-of-hydra/715911/53 "2015-03-26T20:03:54Z")
> [@levdrakon](#): > > It also introduces an important theme. We have some who think aliens & superpowered people are acceptable and potentially helpful and useful, and on the other side we have those who see aliens and superpowered beings as a dangerous threat. We can only trash New York so many times before people complain and say “we must do something!” You might say that there could possibly be a _civil war_ over this… ---
**Author:** ![Darth\_Panda](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ee7513/32.png) [@Darth\_Panda](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Darth_Panda)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2015, 2:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s02e14-love-in-the-time-of-hydra/715911/54 "2015-03-27T02:05:18Z")
> [@Intergalactic\_Gladiator](#): > > You might say that there could possibly be a _civil war_ over this… Tea and crumpets for everyone! ---
**Author:** ![levdrakon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/49beb7/32.png) [@levdrakon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/levdrakon)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2015, 2:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s02e14-love-in-the-time-of-hydra/715911/55 "2015-03-27T02:13:25Z")
> [@Darth\_Panda](#): > > Tea and crumpets for everyone! Who are you, Captain Britain? ---
**Author:** ![Lightray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lightray/32/391_2.png) [@Lightray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lightray)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2015, 12:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s02e14-love-in-the-time-of-hydra/715911/56 "2015-03-27T12:56:39Z")
They kind of had to make Talbot a buffoon, since he was in charge of rounding up all the SHIELD assets (as seen when they stole a Quinjet), but he somehow managed to miss an entire Helicarrier. > [@Ethilrist](#): > > It was too easy; they let him go. They probably planted a tracker on him so they can follow him back to the rebel base. You mean, back to the base that SHIELD2 had already infiltrated with not one, but _two_ agents? That’s right up there with an underpants gnomes plan. ---
**Author:** ![muldoonthief](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/muldoonthief/32/3188_2.png) [@muldoonthief](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/muldoonthief)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2015, 1:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s02e14-love-in-the-time-of-hydra/715911/57 "2015-03-27T13:39:50Z")
> [@Ethilrist](#): > > It was too easy; they let him go. They probably planted a tracker on him so they can follow him back to the rebel base. > [@Lightray](#): > > You mean, back to the base that SHIELD2 had already infiltrated with not one, but _two_ agents? That’s right up there with an underpants gnomes plan. I have a bad feeling about this… ---
**Author:** ![Darth\_Panda](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ee7513/32.png) [@Darth\_Panda](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Darth_Panda)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2015, 2:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s02e14-love-in-the-time-of-hydra/715911/58 "2015-03-27T14:26:42Z")
> [@levdrakon](#): > > Who are you, Captain Britain? Let the Cross Time Caper begin! ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2015, 2:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s02e14-love-in-the-time-of-hydra/715911/59 "2015-03-27T14:28:18Z")
> [@Ethilrist](#): > > It was too easy; they let him go. They probably planted a tracker on him so they can follow him back to the rebel base. > [@Lightray](#): > > You mean, back to the base that SHIELD2 had already infiltrated with not one, but _two_ agents? That’s right up there with an underpants gnomes plan. Use your imagination. You can imagine quite a bit. ---
**Author:** ![Cinnamon\_Imp](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/58956e/32.png) [@Cinnamon\_Imp](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cinnamon_Imp)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2015, 2:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s02e14-love-in-the-time-of-hydra/715911/60 "2015-03-27T14:35:24Z")
> [@levdrakon](#): > > Who are you, Captain Britain? > [@Darth\_Panda](#): > > Let the Cross Time Caper begin! Sounds more like Inspector Spacetime to me. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s02e14-love-in-the-time-of-hydra/715911.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s02e14-love-in-the-time-of-hydra/715911.md?page=4)