# Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D S02E14: Love in the Time of Hydra" **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [March 25, 2015, 1:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s02e14-love-in-the-time-of-hydra/715911 "2015-03-25T01:28:11Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2015, 7:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s02e14-love-in-the-time-of-hydra/715911/81 "2015-03-27T19:52:19Z")
Selling arms to the Contras? ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2015, 7:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s02e14-love-in-the-time-of-hydra/715911/82 "2015-03-27T19:52:53Z")
> [@levdrakon](#): > > How is Shield 2 funded? Quite effectively, it seems. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2015, 8:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s02e14-love-in-the-time-of-hydra/715911/83 "2015-03-27T20:00:14Z")
> [@Push\_You\_Down](#): > > I think the stranger idea is that anyone thinks a large multi-national security and defense force tasked with containing and studying extraordinary powers, extra-dimensional threats and super science…would be reduced to working in a motel with a tiny handful of agents because governments and the World Security Council (who was willing to nuke New York) would just shrug and say “oh well that didn’t pan out” and move on. The only thing that made Coulson’s Shield the “real” Shield was Fury (who is dead to the world) saying Coulson was in charge and giving him access to off the books gear and safehouses. But what was the Other SHIELD doing while Coulson and his band of rag-tag misfits fought and beat HYDRA on their own? That alone should make any SHIELD agent think twice about supporting the Other SHIELD. ---
**Author:** ![Lightray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lightray/32/391_2.png) [@Lightray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lightray)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2015, 8:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s02e14-love-in-the-time-of-hydra/715911/84 "2015-03-27T20:12:14Z")
> [@levdrakon](#): > > So, Talbot inherited what was left of Shield. But, Fury had lots of hidden assets, and that’s what Coulson has now? How’s that funded? How is Shield 2 funded? Talbot didn’t _inherit_ what was left of SHIELD; he was tasked with _hunting down_ what was left of SHIELD (and sorting it out from its HYDRA bits). He missed an entire helicarrier, apparently. And, let’s be realistic here: Edward James Olmos is only on this show because he played Adama on BSG. His entire characterization, so far, is “Adama from BSG with a cane”. _Of course_ we’re going to call him Adama – _ **that’s who he’s playing** _. Not a one of us will bat an eye when he drops his helicarrier on someone in the season finale. At least Lucy Lawless, when she was cast because she played Xena, isn’t actually playing “Xena in sensible clothes”. We should probably call her D’Anna. ---
**Author:** ![levdrakon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/49beb7/32.png) [@levdrakon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/levdrakon)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2015, 8:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s02e14-love-in-the-time-of-hydra/715911/85 "2015-03-27T20:20:12Z")
> [@Lightray](#): > > Talbot didn’t _inherit_ what was left of SHIELD; he was tasked with _hunting down_ what was left of SHIELD (and sorting it out from its HYDRA bits). > > He missed an entire helicarrier, apparently. > > And, let’s be realistic here: Edward James Olmos is only on this show because he played Adama on BSG. His entire characterization, so far, is “Adama from BSG with a cane”. _Of course_ we’re going to call him Adama – _ **that’s who he’s playing** _. Not a one of us will bat an eye when he drops his helicarrier on someone in the season finale. > > At least Lucy Lawless, when she was cast because she played Xena, isn’t actually playing “Xena in sensible clothes”. We should probably call her D’Anna. 🙂 Okay, so Talbot is hunting Coulson, but also working with him when convenient. But, still technically hunting him? ---
**Author:** ![IvoryTowerDenizen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ivorytowerdenizen/32/17937_2.png) [@IvoryTowerDenizen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/IvoryTowerDenizen)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2015, 8:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s02e14-love-in-the-time-of-hydra/715911/86 "2015-03-27T20:44:58Z")
**DrDeth** drop correcting people for using a past character’s name to refer to a role played by the same actor. It’s been done before and there is nothing against the rules about it. It is clear the posters know who they are referring to and don’t need your “corrections”. If you are genuinely confused as to who is being referred to then ask. Otherwise you’re just Jr. Modding and hijacking the conversation. > [@DrDeth](#): > > Yep, I know a lot of people find being wrong and being corrected is “annoying”. But this is the SDMB, whose motto is **“Fighting Ignorance since 1973”** not \*“Stealing other boards Crappy in-jokes”. \* > > Come up with something \*original \*at least. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2015, 8:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s02e14-love-in-the-time-of-hydra/715911/87 "2015-03-27T20:45:27Z")
nm. ---
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2015, 8:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s02e14-love-in-the-time-of-hydra/715911/88 "2015-03-27T20:52:36Z")
NM? Wasn’t he a friend of Ludicrous Lion on _H.R. Pufnstuf_? I _thought_ that was him playing **Innocent Bystander #3**! 😛 ---
**Author:** ![levdrakon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/49beb7/32.png) [@levdrakon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/levdrakon)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2015, 9:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s02e14-love-in-the-time-of-hydra/715911/89 "2015-03-27T21:37:31Z")
> [@YogSosoth](#): > > FYI I have no idea of the names of any of the new people introduced as the heads of the new Shield. In my head, I call them Old Leader Guy, Unreasonably Angry Guy, Black Guy, and Woman. If they have names, they’d better repeat it more than once for me to remember. BTW, UAG is also a character on the new 24 Monkeys show. Is he hired purely for his over-the-top gravely voice or what? ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2015, 9:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s02e14-love-in-the-time-of-hydra/715911/90 "2015-03-27T21:45:10Z")
> [@silenus](#): > > NM? Wasn’t he a friend of Ludicrous Lion on _H.R. Pufnstuf_? > > I _thought_ that was him playing **Innocent Bystander #3**! 😛 :D:p:) ---
**Author:** ![Darth\_Panda](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ee7513/32.png) [@Darth\_Panda](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Darth_Panda)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2015, 10:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s02e14-love-in-the-time-of-hydra/715911/91 "2015-03-27T22:06:59Z")
> [@Cinnamon\_Imp](#): > > Sounds more like Inspector Spacetime to me. In case you aren’t familiar, the Cross Time Caper is a story arc from the original Excalibur run by Chris Claremont and Alan Davis i the early 90s (with Captain Britain being one of the founding members of Excalibur). The arc had its ups and downs (Davis ended up leaving partway and Claremont left after it was over but still had some unresolved character developments) but it’s one of my all-time favorites and it was, I thought, very unique and creative. Plus it had just about the coolest lineup ever (Captain Britain, Meggan, Nightcrawler, Phoenix, Shadowcat, and Lockheed). ---
**Author:** ![Declan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ecae2f/32.png) [@Declan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Declan)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2015, 10:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s02e14-love-in-the-time-of-hydra/715911/92 "2015-03-27T22:11:33Z")
> [@DrDeth](#): > > Yeah, that makes no sense. > > Also, how exactly was Coulson made the Director?😕 Other than by a “dead man” telling him he was? > > Why not just tell Coulson that Gonzales is the Director, not him? Coulson was appointed Director by Fury, which seems reasonable in a comic book world, but was it really Fury’s appointment to give. I would expect that Fury could nominate someone, but that they would require something along the lines of senate or congressional confirmation. Clearly G-man has that confirmation, else having control of a strategic asset like a helicarrier would start involving national govts. My line of thinking is that G-man has a positive outcome where shield absorbs Coulsons merry men and assets and goes from there, but is planning for a negative outcome, should Coulson demure. What is left, is to figure out , what Fury’s legacy in the tool box is and how it can be played. Declan ---
**Author:** ![levdrakon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/49beb7/32.png) [@levdrakon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/levdrakon)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2015, 10:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s02e14-love-in-the-time-of-hydra/715911/93 "2015-03-27T22:17:42Z")
I thought part of G-man’s concern was that Fury himself was corrupted by all this alien tech blasphemy. I think he’s all rogue. Maybe he has allies in government, but he’s not operating above board at all. Talbot & Coulson should both know about him. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2015, 10:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s02e14-love-in-the-time-of-hydra/715911/94 "2015-03-27T22:29:16Z")
> [@Declan](#): > > Coulson was appointed Director by Fury, Except who knows that, who even knows Fury is alive? And why doesnt Gonzales just call Coulson up and say “Hey, Dude, nice fight vs HYDRA and keeping the faith, but I am the rightfully appointed Director, not you. OK?” and again, wtf what was Gonzales and his shit-load of agents and possibly helicarrier doing while Coulson & co fought HYDRA all by their lonesome? ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_Q](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/898d66/32.png) [@Johnny\_Q](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_Q)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2015, 10:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s02e14-love-in-the-time-of-hydra/715911/95 "2015-03-27T22:29:19Z")
[Alucard] If they live to the end of the month I might remember their names. For now they’re just spare blood.[/Alucard] ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2015, 10:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s02e14-love-in-the-time-of-hydra/715911/96 "2015-03-27T22:34:16Z")
> [@Johnny\_Q](#): > > [Alucard] If they live to the end of the month I might remember their names. For now they’re just spare blood.[/Alucard] Dude- “Alucard” is just Dracula spelled backwards. 😛 I kid, I kid! (It’s a joke, son!)⭕D > **[Urban Dictionary: Alucard](https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Alucard)** > > Fuck-mothering vampire, the Crimson Fucker, and all-around badass. ---
**Author:** ![Push\_You\_Down](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/push_you_down/32/9095_2.png) [@Push\_You\_Down](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Push_You_Down)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2015, 10:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s02e14-love-in-the-time-of-hydra/715911/97 "2015-03-27T22:35:27Z")
> [@Johnny\_Q](#): > > [Alucard] If they live to the end of the month I might remember their names. For now they’re just spare blood.[/Alucard] ALUCARD is Dracula spelled backwards! - some peasant ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2015, 10:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s02e14-love-in-the-time-of-hydra/715911/98 "2015-03-27T22:42:41Z")
> [@Declan](#): > > Coulson was appointed Director by Fury, which seems reasonable in a comic book world, but was it really Fury’s appointment to give. I would expect that Fury could nominate someone, but that they would require something along the lines of senate or congressional confirmation. I don’t think Fury had any authority to appoint an official successor. He essentially appointed Coulson as his spiritual successor. He said that Coulson still believed in Shield’s original mission of protecting humanity from aliens and superpowers so he should be the guy in charge of whatever is left of Shield. But the only thing Fury’s blessing really carried was that Shield loyalists who had been loyal to Fury would probably follow Coulson in turn. That and whatever hidden assets Fury handed over. Up until this latest episode, it appeared the official government position was that Shield was disbanded. Loyal Shield employees were supposed to report to Talbott’s agency to be debriefed. And Shield employees who didn’t report as ordered were going rogue - even if they weren’t Hydra, they were legally nothing more than mercenaries. Now the big question is who Gonzales’ group is. Is it another unofficial agency like Coulson’s? Some group working for Talbott? A reformed version of the old Shield? A new agency with the old name? A Hydra front? ---
**Author:** ![Declan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ecae2f/32.png) [@Declan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Declan)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2015, 11:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s02e14-love-in-the-time-of-hydra/715911/99 "2015-03-27T23:34:44Z")
So barring any unforseen events, I am calling it as May sides with Coulson Fitz goes over to battlestar helicarrier Skye sides with Coulson in spirit, but gets spirited away by sightless Simmons neutral, which way the wind blows Mac and Bobbi, already team Gonzales Hunter, goes team Coulson out of spite, can be brought aboard team Gonzales eventually Ward totally out of control 33 could be salvaged for either team. Declan ---
**Author:** ![levdrakon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/49beb7/32.png) [@levdrakon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/levdrakon)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2015, 11:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s02e14-love-in-the-time-of-hydra/715911/100 "2015-03-27T23:44:33Z")
> [@Declan](#): > > So barring any unforseen events, I am calling it as > > May sides with Coulson > Fitz goes over to battlestar helicarrier > Skye sides with Coulson in spirit, but gets spirited away by sightless > Simmons neutral, which way the wind blows > Mac and Bobbi, already team Gonzales > Hunter, goes team Coulson out of spite, can be brought aboard team Gonzales eventually > > Ward totally out of control > > 33 could be salvaged for either team. > > Declan My take: May stays with Coulson, and she’ll continue to question his motivations as appropriate. Fitz? He goes with Coulson and Skye. They both share the “changed misfit people treat differently” thing. Skye does indeed get whisked away by Gordon the teleporter, or at least he shows up and gets to know her. She stays loyal to her Coulson family but wuvs her new family and won’t betray them. Simmons is iffy. She’ll stay with Coulson but she’ll be confused and stuff. Mac swallowed the koolaid. He belongs to Gonzales. Bobbi is barely on board with Gonzo. She switches back to Coulson & Hunter. Hunter. This dude is all about honesty and loyalty. He’s Coulson’s. Ward: He & 33 do their own thing, as co-dependant whackjobs. 33 might leave Ward though. She’s not as nuts as he is. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s02e14-love-in-the-time-of-hydra/715911.md?page=4) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s02e14-love-in-the-time-of-hydra/715911.md?page=6)