# Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D S02E14: Love in the Time of Hydra" **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [March 25, 2015, 1:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s02e14-love-in-the-time-of-hydra/715911 "2015-03-25T01:28:11Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 6
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2015, 11:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s02e14-love-in-the-time-of-hydra/715911/101 "2015-03-27T23:59:57Z")
I’m just waiting to see more factions: Tri-Shield. Shield Quatro. Penta-Shield, etc. That last one is only active a few days a month. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [March 28, 2015, 12:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s02e14-love-in-the-time-of-hydra/715911/102 "2015-03-28T00:46:59Z")
> [@Bryan\_Ekers](#): > > I’m just waiting to see more factions: Tri-Shield. Shield Quatro. Penta-Shield, etc. That last one is only active a few days a month. And then they get to Sex-a-Shield with Skye, May, Jenna, and Bobbi and the series moves to Cinemax. ---
**Author:** ![Lightray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lightray/32/391_2.png) [@Lightray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lightray)\ **Post date:** [March 28, 2015, 1:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s02e14-love-in-the-time-of-hydra/715911/103 "2015-03-28T01:30:06Z")
I’m not so sure that Fury can’t appoint whomever he wants to head SHIELD. Robert Redford basically said that he only headed SHIELD because Fury recruited him. And all the shadowy Star Chamber guys got killed except Jenny Agutter, so unless _she_ appointed Adama, Fury appointing Coulson seems about as “official” as you get for an organization that’s supposed to be officially dismantled. > [@Darth\_Panda](#): > > In case you aren’t familiar, the Cross Time Caper is a story arc from the original Excalibur run by Chris Claremont and Alan Davis i the early 90s (with Captain Britain being one of the founding members of Excalibur). The arc had its ups and downs (Davis ended up leaving partway and Claremont left after it was over but still had some unresolved character developments) but it’s one of my all-time favorites and it was, I thought, very unique and creative. Plus it had just about the coolest lineup ever (Captain Britain, Meggan, Nightcrawler, Phoenix, Shadowcat, and Lockheed). But also gave us Widget and Lion-O. Er, I mean Kylun. Who maybe weren’t the lamest lineup additions ever, but who should probably be glad that Maggott was around to take that title from them. ---
**Author:** ![levdrakon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/49beb7/32.png) [@levdrakon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/levdrakon)\ **Post date:** [March 28, 2015, 2:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s02e14-love-in-the-time-of-hydra/715911/104 "2015-03-28T02:22:17Z")
> [@levdrakon](#): > > BTW, UAG is also a character on the new 24 Monkeys show. Is he hired purely for his over-the-top gravely voice or what? That’s embarrassing. It’s 12 Monkeys, not 24. See, I told you my memory is shot. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [March 28, 2015, 2:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s02e14-love-in-the-time-of-hydra/715911/105 "2015-03-28T02:50:56Z")
> [@Lightray](#): > > I’m not so sure that Fury can’t appoint whomever he wants to head SHIELD. Robert Redford basically said that he only headed SHIELD because Fury recruited him. And all the shadowy Star Chamber guys got killed except Jenny Agutter, so unless _she_ appointed Adama, Fury appointing Coulson seems about as “official” as you get for an organization that’s supposed to be officially dismantled. It’s unlikely the World Security council were personally financing Shield. They were presumably the representatives of the national governments that supported Shield. Killing them was the equivalent of killing the ambassadors who sit on the United Nations Security Council - their deaths might disrupt things but only until new ambassadors were appointed by the home governments. ---
**Author:** ![Cinnamon\_Imp](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/58956e/32.png) [@Cinnamon\_Imp](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cinnamon_Imp)\ **Post date:** [March 28, 2015, 8:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s02e14-love-in-the-time-of-hydra/715911/106 "2015-03-28T08:21:12Z")
> [@Darth\_Panda](#): > > In case you aren’t familiar, the Cross Time Caper is a story arc from the original Excalibur run by Chris Claremont and Alan Davis i the early 90s (with Captain Britain being one of the founding members of Excalibur). The arc had its ups and downs (Davis ended up leaving partway and Claremont left after it was over but still had some unresolved character developments) but it’s one of my all-time favorites and it was, I thought, very unique and creative. Plus it had just about the coolest lineup ever (Captain Britain, Meggan, Nightcrawler, Phoenix, Shadowcat, and Lockheed). Apologies, indeed I was not familiar. Couldn’t resist a Community reference though! > [@levdrakon](#): > > BTW, UAG is also a character on the new 24 Monkeys show. You mean Ramsey? 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Darth\_Panda](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ee7513/32.png) [@Darth\_Panda](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Darth_Panda)\ **Post date:** [March 28, 2015, 1:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s02e14-love-in-the-time-of-hydra/715911/107 "2015-03-28T13:42:37Z")
> [@Lightray](#): > > But also gave us Widget and Lion-O. Er, I mean Kylun. Who maybe weren’t the lamest lineup additions ever, but who should probably be glad that Maggott was around to take that title from them. I left them out for a reason… ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [March 28, 2015, 3:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s02e14-love-in-the-time-of-hydra/715911/108 "2015-03-28T15:07:54Z")
> [@levdrakon](#): > > Ward: He & 33 do their own thing, as co-dependant whackjobs. 33 might leave Ward though. She’s not as nuts as he is. My feeling is she’s in for a long ride. Ward is turning himself into Garrett and 33 is his Ward. ---
**Author:** ![levdrakon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/49beb7/32.png) [@levdrakon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/levdrakon)\ **Post date:** [March 28, 2015, 3:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s02e14-love-in-the-time-of-hydra/715911/109 "2015-03-28T15:37:06Z")
> [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > My feeling is she’s in for a long ride. Ward is turning himself into Garrett and 33 is his Ward. Wasn’t 33 a regular Shield agent who got brainwashed? Or was she Hydra before that? I figure if she used to be a good agent, then eventually some of the brainwashing might wear off. Ward, OTOH, is who he is. ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [March 28, 2015, 4:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s02e14-love-in-the-time-of-hydra/715911/110 "2015-03-28T16:06:26Z")
> [@levdrakon](#): > > Wasn’t 33 a regular Shield agent who got brainwashed? Or was she Hydra before that? She was a regular (good) Shield agent who got captured. ---
**Author:** ![LibrarySpy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/f9ae1b/32.png) [@LibrarySpy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LibrarySpy)\ **Post date:** [March 28, 2015, 4:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s02e14-love-in-the-time-of-hydra/715911/111 "2015-03-28T16:10:46Z")
> [@DarkFire](#): > > The bald guy yelling that they should throw Hunter in the brig immediately gave me a flashback to Colonel Tigh on BSG. That’s Kirk Acevedo, and I was just as happy to see him as the old man. I guess they couldn’t get Tahmoh Penikett. Skye-May-Kara was the best thing ever. And by best, I mean hottest. And by hottest, I mean creepy as fuck. I concede you guys are probably right that the entire plot is nonsensical, so I’m going to give a shoutout to my boy Fitz as the best character on the show right now. He’s going to lose his mind if Mac betrays him, too. Also yay Ward and his suit. ---
**Author:** ![Andy\_L](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/c67d28/32.png) [@Andy\_L](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Andy_L)\ **Post date:** [March 29, 2015, 11:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s02e14-love-in-the-time-of-hydra/715911/112 "2015-03-29T11:38:41Z")
It was fun to see actors from Fringe and Pushing Daisies in this episode. The weird little thing that jumped out at me was the placement of the vases in Ward and 33’s room - the moment I saw them, I anticipated a smashing… ---
**Author:** ![Ethilrist](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ethilrist/32/4604_2.png) [@Ethilrist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ethilrist)\ **Post date:** [March 29, 2015, 12:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s02e14-love-in-the-time-of-hydra/715911/113 "2015-03-29T12:53:26Z")
> [@amarinth](#): > > But now that you’ve made that very good point - what the hell? what the hell was Coulson thinking? why did I believe him? I now need an explanation of why he didn’t see it. Aliens. ALIENS IN HIS BRAIN… > [@DrDeth](#): > > Why not just tell Coulson that Gonzales is the Director, not him? If Coulson ever needs to break cover, he will have the unquestioning support of The Avengers. Remember, Sif & Maria Hill know he’s alive, and Hill’s working for Stark. > [@Declan](#): > > Simmons neutral, which way the wind blows Unless somebody pries open her closed little mind and convinces her to grow the hell up, she’s going to continue to be violently anti-alien power, which is about as non-neutral as you can get. She’s anti-power because of that happened to Fitz (in spite of no powers being involved when Ward dumped them in the ocean…) and Fitz can’t even seem to get through to her. I’m still not sure what the mandate of Gonzalez’s group is, so I’ll say that (barring her seeing the light) she’s going to land on whichever side is taking a harder stance against powers. Until the Avengers show up, which is probably what it would take to snap her out of it. That, or twu wuv. ---
**Author:** ![dropzone](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dropzone/32/7515_2.png) [@dropzone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dropzone)\ **Post date:** [March 29, 2015, 1:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s02e14-love-in-the-time-of-hydra/715911/114 "2015-03-29T13:44:47Z")
Yes, Simmons doesn’t deal with change well, which makes it hard to handle the universe she is in. Perhaps she should transfer to the Harvey Comics universe, where absolutely nothing ever changes. ---
**Author:** ![Dendarii\_Dame](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/bbce88/32.png) [@Dendarii\_Dame](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dendarii_Dame)\ **Post date:** [March 29, 2015, 10:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s02e14-love-in-the-time-of-hydra/715911/115 "2015-03-29T22:42:50Z")
When Coulson said that he thought Fitz wanted a monkey, I yelled, “Curious George, Agent of SHIELD!” ---
**Author:** ![bienville](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/4bbf92/32.png) [@bienville](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bienville)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2015, 10:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s02e14-love-in-the-time-of-hydra/715911/116 "2015-03-30T10:24:58Z")
> [@Dendarii\_Dame](#): > > When Coulson said that he thought Fitz wanted a monkey, I yelled, “Curious George, Agent of SHIELD!” Fitz wanting a monkey was a running gag during the first season. I enjoyed hearing it get a mention again after so long. ---
**Author:** ![Ethilrist](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ethilrist/32/4604_2.png) [@Ethilrist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ethilrist)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2015, 12:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s02e14-love-in-the-time-of-hydra/715911/117 "2015-03-30T12:17:28Z")
> [@Dendarii\_Dame](#): > > When Coulson said that he thought Fitz wanted a monkey, I yelled, “Curious George, Agent of SHIELD!” “Lance Link, Secret Chimp!” What? ---
**Author:** ![Push\_You\_Down](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/push_you_down/32/9095_2.png) [@Push\_You\_Down](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Push_You_Down)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2015, 4:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s02e14-love-in-the-time-of-hydra/715911/118 "2015-03-30T16:30:16Z")
> [@bienville](#): > > Fitz wanting a monkey was a running gag during the first season. I enjoyed hearing it get a mention again after so long. Seems like a perfect way to introduce either of these characters… [http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/b/b1/Hitmonkey1.jpg/250px-Hitmonkey1.jpg](http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/b/b1/Hitmonkey1.jpg/250px-Hitmonkey1.jpg) [http://robot6.comicbookresources.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/10/gorillaman.jpg](http://robot6.comicbookresources.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/10/gorillaman.jpg) ---
**Author:** ![levdrakon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/49beb7/32.png) [@levdrakon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/levdrakon)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2015, 4:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s02e14-love-in-the-time-of-hydra/715911/119 "2015-03-30T16:36:40Z")
I’ve completely forgotten about Fitz wanting a monkey. ---
**Author:** ![Half\_Man\_Half\_Wit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/half_man_half_wit/32/21766_2.png) [@Half\_Man\_Half\_Wit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Half_Man_Half_Wit)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2015, 9:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s02e14-love-in-the-time-of-hydra/715911/120 "2015-03-31T21:21:15Z")
> [@gonzoron](#): > > Hunter’s good, but good enough to steal a sub or plane or whatever he stole off an armed carrier on alert? Ridiculous. For some reason, I was instantly convinced that Hunter was actually still on the carrier, and the dropped boat was just a ruse, but I can’t really say why. It just seemed too conspicuous, like the opened window with the curtains blowing in when the character’s actually hiding in the closet. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s02e14-love-in-the-time-of-hydra/715911.md?page=5) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s02e14-love-in-the-time-of-hydra/715911.md?page=7)