# Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D S02E16: Afterlife **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [April 8, 2015, 1:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s02e16-afterlife/717085 "2015-04-08T01:02:51Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![levdrakon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/49beb7/32.png) [@levdrakon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/levdrakon)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2015, 4:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s02e16-afterlife/717085/41 "2015-04-09T16:02:07Z")
> [@Lightray](#): > > I don’t think we know that terrigenesis does not need a Diviner. Lincoln mentioned she’d gone through terrigenesis old skool, using a Diviner in a Kree temple. We know the Inhumans have Diviners (Gordon had one). So it’s likely that they just use the Terrigen crystals within the Diviner _without_ the Kree temple. > > After all, all those missing Diviners have to be Checkov’s guns eventually… True, but von Strucker used Loki’s staff to transform Wanda & Pietro so I’m guessing a Diviner isn’t always necessary. > [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > I realize this show papers over people making dumb decisions - but that would have been a dumb decision. If Coulson suspected Bobbi and Mac (and by extension Hartley) of being double agents, the last thing he should have done was share his suspicions with Hunter. Coulson had no past experience with Hunter. The people who knew Hunter were Bobbi and Hartley. So it was very likely that Hunter was another double agent. Well, Coulson said Hunter is an easy read, but Bobbi not so much. I think Coulson trusts Hunter, the way he trusted Skye immediately. ---
**Author:** ![Push\_You\_Down](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/push_you_down/32/9095_2.png) [@Push\_You\_Down](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Push_You_Down)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2015, 4:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s02e16-afterlife/717085/42 "2015-04-09T16:24:03Z")
> [@RikWriter](#): > > Not me. The minute Coulson told Hunter that he’d called for backup, I turned to my wife and said “He called Deathlok.” I honestly thought “May’s mom.” I want to also say they improved Deathlok’s look this season. The old outfit was silly, this is a bit more generic but still an improvement. ---
**Author:** ![RikWriter](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/49beb7/32.png) [@RikWriter](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RikWriter)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2015, 4:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s02e16-afterlife/717085/43 "2015-04-09T16:40:13Z")
> [@levdrakon](#): > > True, but von Strucker used Loki’s staff to transform Wanda & Pietro so I’m guessing a Diviner isn’t always necessary. Since it’s been established that a lot of people are born with the Inhuman genes and never know it and 2) that MCU is using Inhumans to take the place of mutants, I would think this is a good guess. I can’t imagine the staff having that sort of effect on anyone without the Inhuman gene. ---
**Author:** ![muldoonthief](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/muldoonthief/32/3188_2.png) [@muldoonthief](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/muldoonthief)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2015, 4:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s02e16-afterlife/717085/44 "2015-04-09T16:46:49Z")
> [@levdrakon](#): > > True, but von Strucker used Loki’s staff to transform Wanda & Pietro so I’m guessing a Diviner isn’t always necessary. Do we know that? We know he has the staff, and we know he’s got Wanda & Pietro locked up, but is it certain he used the staff to transform them? Maybe he’s studying it to figure out how to use its mind control abilities, so he can get Wanda & Pietro to work for him. ---
**Author:** ![bienville](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/4bbf92/32.png) [@bienville](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bienville)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2015, 4:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s02e16-afterlife/717085/45 "2015-04-09T16:48:25Z")
> [@Lightray](#): > > I don’t think we know that terrigenesis does not need a Diviner. Lincoln mentioned she’d gone through terrigenesis old skool, using a Diviner in a Kree temple. We know the Inhumans have Diviners (Gordon had one). So it’s likely that they just use the Terrigen crystals within the Diviner _without_ the Kree temple. > > After all, all those missing Diviners have to be Checkov’s guns eventually… It might have been overzealousness on the actor’s part, but he told Skye “You did it OLDSCHOOL! using a DIVINER! in a KREE CITY!!!” So, I kinda felt like the use of the Diviner was in itself noteworthy. On an unrelated note, when we first saw Gordon bring Cal to Chinesenamedcity, he told Cal something like “She will meet with you and decide what to do with you.” I immediately thought that “She” would end up being Skye’s mom, but I thought it would be a surprise to Cal. I thought he believed her to be dead all this time. Didn’t Cal straight up tell Skye, when she asked, that her mother was dead? But when Mom met with Cal at the end of this episode, it seemed like she had long ago tasked him with searching the globe to find their Daisy. Thoughts? > [@levdrakon](#): > > True, but von Strucker used Loki’s staff to transform Wanda & Pietro Well, we know that von Strucker has Wanda and Pietro _and_ that he has the staff and knows how to use its power in some way. I don’t know that we’re expected to assume that he used it to cause their transformation. ---
**Author:** ![Misnomer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/misnomer/32/14897_2.png) [@Misnomer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Misnomer)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2015, 4:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s02e16-afterlife/717085/46 "2015-04-09T16:59:09Z")
> [@bienville](#): > > Didn’t Cal straight up tell Skye, when she asked, that her mother was dead? > > But when Mom met with Cal at the end of this episode, it seemed like she had long ago tasked him with searching the globe to find their Daisy. Does the idea that Cal may have lied to Skye about her mom really surprise you that much? ---
**Author:** ![Telemark](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/telemark/32/372_2.png) [@Telemark](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Telemark)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2015, 5:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s02e16-afterlife/717085/47 "2015-04-09T17:02:19Z")
> [@bienville](#): > > It might have been overzealousness on the actor’s part, but he told Skye “You did it OLDSCHOOL! using a DIVINER! in a KREE CITY!!!” > > So, I kinda felt like the use of the Diviner was in itself noteworthy. This was my impression as well. The use of the Diviner was significant to Lincoln. ---
**Author:** ![Lightray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lightray/32/391_2.png) [@Lightray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lightray)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2015, 5:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s02e16-afterlife/717085/48 "2015-04-09T17:13:06Z")
> [@bienville](#): > > On an unrelated note, when we first saw Gordon bring Cal to Chinesenamedcity, he told Cal something like “She will meet with you and decide what to do with you.” I immediately thought that “She” would end up being Skye’s mom, but I thought it would be a surprise to Cal. I thought he believed her to be dead all this time. Didn’t Cal straight up tell Skye, when she asked, that her mother was dead? > > But when Mom met with Cal at the end of this episode, it seemed like she had long ago tasked him with searching the globe to find their Daisy. > Thoughts? There’s an interview with Chloe Bennett I don’t have time to google for, but she explains that it was Cal who found and stitched up Skye’s mom, allowing her regeneration power to bring her back to life. She then blamed Cal for losing their daughter, so he went off his rocker building his fantasy that when he reunited them with “Daisy”, he’ll be forgiven and get his family back. > [@Telemark](#): > > This was my impression as well. The use of the Diviner was significant to Lincoln. And yet, if the Inhumans hadn’t been using Diviners for terrigenesis, how did Cal know it would do so to tell Raina? ---
**Author:** ![Gothic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/839c29/32.png) [@Gothic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gothic)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2015, 5:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s02e16-afterlife/717085/49 "2015-04-09T17:49:20Z")
> [@AK84](#): > > Has this been renewed yet for Season 3? I am seeing rumors of a spin off today which would bode well for a third season. ---
**Author:** ![levdrakon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/49beb7/32.png) [@levdrakon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/levdrakon)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2015, 5:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s02e16-afterlife/717085/50 "2015-04-09T17:55:05Z")
> [@muldoonthief](#): > > Do we know that? We know he has the staff, and we know he’s got Wanda & Pietro locked up, but is it certain he used the staff to transform them? Maybe he’s studying it to figure out how to use its mind control abilities, so he can get Wanda & Pietro to work for him. I don’t know it absolutely for sure. List & von Strucker have been experimenting on people and most were dying, except for Wanda & Pietro. I assumed Loki’s staff and its Infinity Stone was what they were using. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2015, 5:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s02e16-afterlife/717085/51 "2015-04-09T17:55:32Z")
> [@levdrakon](#): > > I don’t think a tracking device would survive terragenesis. A 30 second cast off line would explain that. ---
**Author:** ![levdrakon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/49beb7/32.png) [@levdrakon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/levdrakon)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2015, 5:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s02e16-afterlife/717085/52 "2015-04-09T17:57:43Z")
> [@DrDeth](#): > > A 30 second cast off line would explain that. At least Coulson finally acknowledged Gordon. Some guy showing up and teleporting people away is remarkable. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2015, 6:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s02e16-afterlife/717085/53 "2015-04-09T18:22:09Z")
> [@levdrakon](#): > > Well, Coulson said Hunter is an easy read, but Bobbi not so much. I think Coulson trusts Hunter, the way he trusted Skye immediately. At various times in this series, Coulson has been betrayed by Nick Fury, Grant Ward, Melinda May, Bobbi Morse, Mack MacKenzie, John Garrett, Jasper Sitwell, Victoria Hand, Maria Hill, Izzy Hartley, Mike Peterson, Camilla Reyes, Franklin Hall, Akela Amador, and Skye. It might be time for him to consider he may trust people too readily. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2015, 7:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s02e16-afterlife/717085/54 "2015-04-09T19:00:56Z")
> [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > At various times in this series, Coulson has been betrayed by Nick Fury, Grant Ward, Melinda May, Bobbi Morse, Mack MacKenzie, John Garrett, Jasper Sitwell, Victoria Hand, Maria Hill, Izzy Hartley, Mike Peterson, Camilla Reyes, Franklin Hall, Akela Amador, and Skye. It might be time for him to consider he may trust people too readily. Which is why I choked on my drink when Coulson said they had to keep Skye with people that trust her. :eek: ---
**Author:** ![Southern\_Yankee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/southern_yankee/32/2800_2.png) [@Southern\_Yankee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Southern_Yankee)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2015, 1:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s02e16-afterlife/717085/55 "2015-04-11T13:51:11Z")
> [@Miss\_Woodhouse](#): > > The sandwich was one of my favorite moments all season. So much information and inference packed into one lunch bag. Awesome. > > These last couple of episodes have been very busy. I think our end of season cliff hanger is going to be huge. This is a lot of build up and a lot of threads to wrap neatly in a little bow in just a few weeks. Could you explain the sandwich scene to me? It went over my head. ---
**Author:** ![levdrakon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/49beb7/32.png) [@levdrakon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/levdrakon)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2015, 2:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s02e16-afterlife/717085/56 "2015-04-11T14:40:11Z")
> [@Southern\_Yankee](#): > > Could you explain the sandwich scene to me? It went over my head. It was just a touching moment. Simmons knows Fitz’s favorite sandwich down to the finest detail and no doubt he knows her just as well. They’ve had their ups and downs but they’re still really close. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2015, 2:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s02e16-afterlife/717085/57 "2015-04-11T14:48:22Z")
> [@Southern\_Yankee](#): > > Could you explain the sandwich scene to me? It went over my head. It was a callback to a first season episode. When Fitz was sent on a mission with Ward (before the Hydra reveal) Simmons made him the same sandwich for him to take with him. ---
**Author:** ![muldoonthief](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/muldoonthief/32/3188_2.png) [@muldoonthief](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/muldoonthief)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2015, 3:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s02e16-afterlife/717085/58 "2015-04-11T15:30:37Z")
> [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > It was a callback to a first season episode. When Fitz was sent on a mission with Ward (before the Hydra reveal) Simmons made him the same sandwich for him to take with him. And at the time, Ward threw the sandwich away because the scent of the pesto aioli was going to give them away. ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2015, 5:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s02e16-afterlife/717085/59 "2015-04-11T17:02:17Z")
Anyone else think it’s telling that we don’t see the driver of that cab? ---
**Author:** ![Southern\_Yankee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/southern_yankee/32/2800_2.png) [@Southern\_Yankee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Southern_Yankee)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2015, 5:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s02e16-afterlife/717085/60 "2015-04-11T17:46:34Z")
> [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > It was a callback to a first season episode. When Fitz was sent on a mission with Ward (before the Hydra reveal) Simmons made him the same sandwich for him to take with him. > [@muldoonthief](#): > > And at the time, Ward threw the sandwich away because the scent of the pesto aioli was going to give them away. Thanks! I remember that now, but it didn’t resonate. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s02e16-afterlife/717085.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s02e16-afterlife/717085.md?page=4)