# Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D S02E18 The Frenemy of My Enemy **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [April 21, 2015, 11:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s02e18-the-frenemy-of-my-enemy/718236 "2015-04-21T23:56:46Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 12\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![galen\_ubal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/galen_ubal/32/4440_2.png) [@galen\_ubal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/galen_ubal)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2015, 11:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s02e18-the-frenemy-of-my-enemy/718236/61 "2015-04-26T23:13:35Z")
> [@D\_Odds](#): > > None, unless Coulson is going to show up in the movie. I don’t think he is, though. And even if he does, nothing big. They may share a universe, but they’re not that tied in. If anything, one’ll be asking the same question as one did during the last Thor or CA or whatever - where were all the others? SPOILER! For _Avengers Age of Ultron_ No sign or mention of Coulson in the movie ---
**Author:** ![N9IWP](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/n9iwp/32/3154_2.png) [@N9IWP](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/N9IWP)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2015, 12:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s02e18-the-frenemy-of-my-enemy/718236/62 "2015-04-27T00:19:41Z")
We have the second Wisconsin location. Coulson in Manitowoc and Cal in Milwaukee. Brian ---
**Author:** ![Telemark](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/telemark/32/372_2.png) [@Telemark](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Telemark)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2015, 12:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s02e18-the-frenemy-of-my-enemy/718236/63 "2015-04-27T12:21:50Z")
What do people think of the idea that Bakshi is still under Ward/33’s control and this was all part of their plan? They wanted to get people inside Hydra for their own purposes, and with Bakshi as a mole. The obvious problem is that they didn’t know about Sparky but Bakshi is smart enough to adapt when given the opportunity. A bigger problem with this is that Mike clearly not knowing about what’s going on - and he never would be taken that easily if Sparky hadn’t compromised his systems. It just seems like they set up the brainwashing of Bakshi and if it was all for nothing then it makes all the other brainwashing pointless. ---
**Author:** ![Ethilrist](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ethilrist/32/4604_2.png) [@Ethilrist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ethilrist)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2015, 2:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s02e18-the-frenemy-of-my-enemy/718236/64 "2015-04-27T14:12:34Z")
> [@Oakminster](#): > > Wondering what Ward’s game is. He had a clean shot at Coulson tonight. Had he taken it, he could have probably escaped in the chaos. That’d probably piss off Skye pretty much forever, and he’s obviously still fixated on her. He looked like a kid in a candy shop when he said “This is about Skye…”, like “My crush is going to be here!!!” Which 33 was pretty darned thrilled to find out, I’m sure. > [@Telemark](#): > > I get that, but frankly I’m getting tired of it. Gordon is always showing up at just the right time when Skye’s in trouble. Isn’t that part of his power, that he always knows when somebody needs to get picked up? > [@Telemark](#): > > May and Simmons think Coulson has gone rouge (or worse) with Ward Mascara? Sharing lip gloss? What? > [@Lightray](#): > > The real question will be next episode, why he doesn’t just pop in and retrieve Lincoln next. Because he knows they’re hunting specifically him, or he will once Skye has a chance to say two sentences, unless she’s an idiot and has a dewy-eyed father-daughter bonding moment… well, crap. ---
**Author:** ![Telemark](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/telemark/32/372_2.png) [@Telemark](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Telemark)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2015, 2:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s02e18-the-frenemy-of-my-enemy/718236/65 "2015-04-27T14:19:49Z")
> [@Ethilrist](#): > > Isn’t that part of his power, that he always knows when somebody needs to get picked up? Yes, but it’s basically a get out of jail free card for lazy writing. Within the context of the universe it’s fine, but I find it to be bad plotting. ---
**Author:** ![emarkp](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/3be4f8/32.png) [@emarkp](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/emarkp)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2015, 10:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s02e18-the-frenemy-of-my-enemy/718236/66 "2015-04-27T22:40:58Z")
[quote=“galen\_ubal, post:61, topic:718236”] SPOILER! For _Avengers Age of Ultron_ I’m not going to read the spoiler, but I _would_ like to know the in-universe viewing order. When Hydra came out of SHIELD in S1, it was pretty important to watch CA:tWS first, then the rest of S1. I’m assuming that any episodes released after May 1 may have spoilers for Ultron. In fact, since the UK release already happened, I’m a little worried about spoilers in this week’s ep. ---
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2015, 11:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s02e18-the-frenemy-of-my-enemy/718236/67 "2015-04-27T23:00:43Z")
I wouldn’t worry about spoilers. It’s more likely that the TV show just references some things that would have happened just before AoU begins. I think. ---
**Author:** ![emarkp](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/3be4f8/32.png) [@emarkp](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/emarkp)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2015, 11:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s02e18-the-frenemy-of-my-enemy/718236/68 "2015-04-27T23:16:00Z")
Well there were definitely Winter Soldier spoilers in Season 1. I don’t know why it’d be different with Ultron. ---
**Author:** ![galen\_ubal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/galen_ubal/32/4440_2.png) [@galen\_ubal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/galen_ubal)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2015, 11:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s02e18-the-frenemy-of-my-enemy/718236/69 "2015-04-27T23:29:43Z")
> [@emarkp](#): > > I’m not going to read the spoiler, but I _would_ like to know the in-universe viewing order. When Hydra came out of SHIELD in S1, it was pretty important to watch CA:tWS first, then the rest of S1. I’m assuming that any episodes released after May 1 may have spoilers for Ultron. In fact, since the UK release already happened, I’m a little worried about spoilers in this week’s ep. I’ve seen _Age of Ultron_, and as best as I can tell, there’s nothing in the current AoS arc that would have a major effect, or anything more than a small reference. Agents of Shield seems to be more setting up tensions between the powered and the non-powered that will culminate in Cap: Civil War. Speculation, not based on _Age of Ultron_. I’ll put it in spoilers, just in case, but I think I’m just going by what’s been in AoS so far. [spoiler]I think Gonzales is just as good a guy as Coulson thinks he is. I’ve been waiting for Coulson to go and talk to Gonzales, as I consider it the next logical step. Gonzales doesn’t strike me as a completely unreasonable, shoot first type. I’m not so sure about Gonzales’ lieutenants, however. I think the one guy (whose name I can’t remember) is _not_ a good guy. I don’t think he’s Hydra; I think he just hates/fears powered people. Remember, he took the first opportunity to try to eliminate Skye, shooting at her with a real gun. I’m a little suspicious of the Academy lady as well. I think that Coulson and Gonzales will end up working together to try to manage the more trigger-happy lieutenants. I wouldn’t be surprised if Nick made a quick appearance to encourage that.[/spoiler] ---
**Author:** ![Sir\_T-Cups](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ed655f/32.png) [@Sir\_T-Cups](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sir_T-Cups)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2015, 11:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s02e18-the-frenemy-of-my-enemy/718236/70 "2015-04-27T23:31:23Z")
> [@emarkp](#): > > Well there were definitely Winter Soldier spoilers in Season 1. I don’t know why it’d be different with Ultron. Because IIRC Winter Solder came out in the middle of the season, Ultron is coming out when there’s literally just one episode left. Don’t need to try and cater the storyline this season, just pause it til next and not have to worry about anything getting spoiled ---
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2015, 11:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s02e18-the-frenemy-of-my-enemy/718236/71 "2015-04-27T23:41:01Z")
> [@emarkp](#): > > Well there were definitely Winter Soldier spoilers in Season 1. I don’t know why it’d be different with Ultron. What they said. _AoS_ seems to be setting up _CA:CW_, not _AoU._ Especially with the spin-off announced. Marvel may be playing a long game with _AoS_ here. ---
**Author:** ![dropzone](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dropzone/32/7515_2.png) [@dropzone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dropzone)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2015, 1:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s02e18-the-frenemy-of-my-enemy/718236/72 "2015-04-28T01:28:20Z")
Joss says Coulson will remain dead in the Avengers universe. > **[Marvel Studios Got Angry When ‘Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D.’ Debuted](https://screencrush.com/joss-whedon-agents-of-shield-marvel/)** > > The movie side of the Marvel business wasn't very happy that the TV side announced a series starring a character they just killed off. It’s sort of a multiverse thing. Don’t comics do that all the time, until a new manager comes along and insists that all universes get back in line or they will be dropped? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s02e18-the-frenemy-of-my-enemy/718236.md?page=3)