# Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D S02E19: The Dirty Half Dozen **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [April 29, 2015, 2:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s02e19-the-dirty-half-dozen/718768 "2015-04-29T02:41:33Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![amarinth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/3be4f8/32.png) [@amarinth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/amarinth)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2015, 10:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s02e19-the-dirty-half-dozen/718768/41 "2015-04-29T22:13:53Z")
I mostly liked it, but I’m really tired of people in a covert agency being angry about other members of a covert agency keeping secrets. The proper response to finding out that your superior didn’t tell you something is to think “I need to get promoted and get a higher clearance level.” It’s not to get butthurt that they don’t trust you enough. That’s the whole point of this type of organization - people don’t tell other people things. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2015, 10:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s02e19-the-dirty-half-dozen/718768/42 "2015-04-29T22:30:07Z")
> [@amarinth](#): > > I mostly liked it, but I’m really tired of people in a covert agency being angry about other members of a covert agency keeping secrets. The proper response to finding out that your superior didn’t tell you something is to think “I need to get promoted and get a higher clearance level.” It’s not to get butthurt that they don’t trust you enough. That’s the whole point of this type of organization - people don’t tell other people things. No one in SHIELD trusts _anyone_ in SHIELD. Nor should they, in fact they have all proven themselves undeserving of trust. ---
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2015, 11:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s02e19-the-dirty-half-dozen/718768/43 "2015-04-29T23:02:29Z")
They are entirely trustworthy. You just don’t have high enough clearance to know that. ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2015, 8:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s02e19-the-dirty-half-dozen/718768/44 "2015-04-30T08:31:47Z")
> [@Telemark](#): > > Didn’t like the Skye fight scene - she’s now a super fighter on par with May and Bobbi and Black Widow. I didn’t buy that - too soon. In comics continuity even pre-Terrigenesis Inhumans benefit from the Kree modifications of their genome - they are[better than peak human.](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inhumans#Powers_and_abilities) That could account for some of the super-fighting ability even in an only lightly-trained person. ---
**Author:** ![AK84](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/85e7bf/32.png) [@AK84](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AK84)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2015, 9:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s02e19-the-dirty-half-dozen/718768/45 "2015-04-30T09:40:24Z")
I am in the minority here. I found the Ward/original team scenes cringeworthy. His monologue about betrayal was bloody awful. He was always Hydra, from the beginning. He never betrayed anyone. Why should he give penance for that then. He can feel bad about being Hydra. The betrayal storyline is unsupportable. ---
**Author:** ![not\_what\_you\_d\_expect](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/not_what_you_d_expect/32/3246_2.png) [@not\_what\_you\_d\_expect](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/not_what_you_d_expect)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2015, 11:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s02e19-the-dirty-half-dozen/718768/46 "2015-04-30T11:29:23Z")
The fight scene bothered me because I think if I had Quake powers, I’d use them instead of a gun or my fists at all. I like the show a lot, but I don’t love not knowing who to trust. And I just don’t know what to think about Ward. I thought he had undying love for Skye, but I guess I was wrong on that. I did enjoy the hot pocket line. ---
**Author:** ![RikWriter](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/49beb7/32.png) [@RikWriter](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RikWriter)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2015, 12:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s02e19-the-dirty-half-dozen/718768/47 "2015-04-30T12:08:10Z")
> [@not\_what\_you\_d\_expect](#): > > The fight scene bothered me because I think if I had Quake powers, I’d use them instead of a gun or my fists at all. Thing is, she’s trying to rescue Lincoln who’s in an operating room, hooked up to medical machinery. She probably figured it was safer not to subject the place to earthquakes. ---
**Author:** ![Terminus\_Est](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/terminus_est/32/3087_2.png) [@Terminus\_Est](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Terminus_Est)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2015, 12:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s02e19-the-dirty-half-dozen/718768/48 "2015-04-30T12:13:32Z")
> [@pricciar](#): > > OH MY GOD AGE OF ULTRON IS ALMOST HERE!!! So soooooon! We get the S.H.I.E.L.D. show a couple weeks late here so I can never participate in these threads in a timely manner. However, _Age of Ultron_ has already been out for a week here and almost everywhere else. Suck it, USians! ---
**Author:** ![Lightray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lightray/32/391_2.png) [@Lightray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lightray)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2015, 12:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s02e19-the-dirty-half-dozen/718768/49 "2015-04-30T12:54:31Z")
Finally got to watch this last night, and I’m left with the suspicion that Raina is going to try to usurp Jiaying by playing on the Terrigenesis desires of the unchanged Inhumans. They’ve set it up through the comments about how the unchanged Inhumans are jealous of Raina and Skye going through Terrigenesis without being vetted, _and_ Jiaying needing to keep her relationship to Skye on the downlow – until Cal spilled the beans in public. And as the Bahrain flashback demonstrates, it’d create a lot of dangerous Inhumans for them to spend the next half-season dealing with. ---
**Author:** ![Gothic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/839c29/32.png) [@Gothic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gothic)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2015, 1:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s02e19-the-dirty-half-dozen/718768/50 "2015-04-30T13:05:41Z")
I liked Skye’s fight seen for the visuals but it did take me out of the moment. I asked myself how did I miss her becoming Christian Bale in Equilibrium. ---
**Author:** ![RikWriter](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/49beb7/32.png) [@RikWriter](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RikWriter)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2015, 1:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s02e19-the-dirty-half-dozen/718768/51 "2015-04-30T13:17:30Z")
> [@Gothic](#): > > I liked Skye’s fight seen for the visuals but it did take me out of the moment. I asked myself how did I miss her becoming Christian Bale in Equilibrium. Because you weren’t paying attention to all the training May was giving her? ---
**Author:** ![Gothic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/839c29/32.png) [@Gothic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gothic)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2015, 1:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s02e19-the-dirty-half-dozen/718768/52 "2015-04-30T13:47:17Z")
That is the most likely answer. I will view Youtube after work to see what I missed. ---
**Author:** ![D\_Odds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/d_odds/32/2882_2.png) [@D\_Odds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/D_Odds)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2015, 3:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s02e19-the-dirty-half-dozen/718768/53 "2015-04-30T15:37:50Z")
> [@RikWriter](#): > > Because you weren’t paying attention to all the training May was giving her? Even if she was training 16 hours a day, it would be pushing it to get that good in whatever amount of time she’s had. Especially in a group fight like that, unless May got everyone on the bus in as part of the training. ---
**Author:** ![RikWriter](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/49beb7/32.png) [@RikWriter](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RikWriter)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2015, 3:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s02e19-the-dirty-half-dozen/718768/54 "2015-04-30T15:48:01Z")
> [@D\_Odds](#): > > Even if she was training 16 hours a day, it would be pushing it to get that good in whatever amount of time she’s had. Especially in a group fight like that, unless May got everyone on the bus in as part of the training. Well, let’s take as an example a Navy SEAL. They train for over a year before being made part of a team, but a very large percentage of that training is in things other than gunfighting. They learn SCUBA diving, parachuting, small boat tactics, and a host of other things. If they were to concentrate just on gunfighting, how long would they have to train to be proficient? A few months? ---
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2015, 3:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s02e19-the-dirty-half-dozen/718768/55 "2015-04-30T15:53:09Z")
For an Inhuman - not long at all. ---
**Author:** ![DigitalC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ebca7d/32.png) [@DigitalC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DigitalC)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2015, 3:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s02e19-the-dirty-half-dozen/718768/56 "2015-04-30T15:57:51Z")
> [@silenus](#): > > For an Inhuman - not long at all. This is the best answer. Even pretty boy stood up to deathlok. ---
**Author:** ![D\_Odds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/d_odds/32/2882_2.png) [@D\_Odds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/D_Odds)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2015, 4:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s02e19-the-dirty-half-dozen/718768/57 "2015-04-30T16:03:34Z")
> [@RikWriter](#): > > Well, let’s take as an example a Navy SEAL. They train for over a year before being made part of a team, but a very large percentage of that training is in things other than gunfighting. They learn SCUBA diving, parachuting, small boat tactics, and a host of other things. If they were to concentrate just on gunfighting, how long would they have to train to be proficient? A few months? Perhaps we’ll get a better idea of the timeline after Age of Ultron appears, but let’s say it is a few months of training for advanced handgun proficiency, with the comic book fudge factor of proficiency equalling what she was capable of doing in the shot. We can also add in strength and agility from her Inhuman physiology enhancing her advanced hand-to-hand proficiency (again, with the comic fudge factor). So where did she learn the situation awareness required for that fight? May or Bobbi pulling it off, I’ve got no problem, as it is acknowledged they are veterans with years of practice and experience. Not Skye. I know it’s the _Skye and the Agents of SHIELD_ show, and that’s why I might not come back should they get a season 3, or at the very least put this show at the end of my queue. ---
**Author:** ![Push\_You\_Down](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/push_you_down/32/9095_2.png) [@Push\_You\_Down](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Push_You_Down)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2015, 6:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s02e19-the-dirty-half-dozen/718768/58 "2015-04-30T18:32:23Z")
Another new element brought in at the end… Agent 33/Masque is back at SHIELD…unwillingly. Show-wise- was she brought in there as a backup field agent if the Bobbi and Hunter spin-off goes forward? ---
**Author:** ![control-z](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/eada6e/32.png) [@control-z](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/control-z)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2015, 8:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s02e19-the-dirty-half-dozen/718768/59 "2015-04-30T20:10:59Z")
Every time I hear Agent 33 I think of Get Smart’s Agent 13, who was always inside trash cans or vending machines. ---
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2015, 8:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s02e19-the-dirty-half-dozen/718768/60 "2015-04-30T20:28:26Z")
> [@Push\_You\_Down](#): > > Another new element brought in at the end… Agent 33/Masque is back at SHIELD…unwillingly. > > Show-wise- was she brought in there as a backup field agent if the Bobbi and Hunter spin-off goes forward? Could very well be. I wouldn’t put it past them at least. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s02e19-the-dirty-half-dozen/718768.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s02e19-the-dirty-half-dozen/718768.md?page=4)