# Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D S02E19: The Dirty Half Dozen **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [April 29, 2015, 2:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s02e19-the-dirty-half-dozen/718768 "2015-04-29T02:41:33Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 6
**Author:** ![D\_Odds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/d_odds/32/2882_2.png) [@D\_Odds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/D_Odds)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2015, 10:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s02e19-the-dirty-half-dozen/718768/101 "2015-05-01T22:16:50Z")
> [@Alessan](#): > > Unless told otherwise, I assume that events occur in real time. Winter Soldier came out in early April 2014, so as far as I’m concerned, that’s when they occurred in-universe. Similarly, current events are taking place in late April-early May 2015. That means that Skye has had about a year of serious training No, they’ve had a year of stomping out all the fires leftover after the fall of SHIELD and Hydra, with training when they could fit it in. That’s best case scenario. ---
**Author:** ![Quimby](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/22d042/32.png) [@Quimby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Quimby)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2015, 10:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s02e19-the-dirty-half-dozen/718768/102 "2015-05-01T22:52:38Z")
BTW for people who have seen Avengers Age of Ultron, it is revealed very quickly what intel Coulson provided Hill: The location of Loki’s Scepter. ---
**Author:** ![TBG](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/c89c15/32.png) [@TBG](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TBG)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2015, 12:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s02e19-the-dirty-half-dozen/718768/103 "2015-05-02T00:00:18Z")
> [@muldoonthief](#): > > Sharon Carter is Peggy Carter’s niece in the current comics. When did they pull that retcon? Or is that Ultimate Sharon Carter? Oh comics… never change ---
**Author:** ![Push\_You\_Down](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/push_you_down/32/9095_2.png) [@Push\_You\_Down](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Push_You_Down)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2015, 12:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s02e19-the-dirty-half-dozen/718768/104 "2015-05-02T00:08:34Z")
> [@TBG](#): > > When did they pull that retcon? Or is that Ultimate Sharon Carter? Oh comics… never change They had to pull it… I even think it’s grand-niece at this point. Peggy was a WW2 vet who they never established as having gotten the Infinity Formula that keeps the Howling Commandos around. They had her be a kind of crazy middle-aged woman when Cap returned in the 60s…and made her younger sister Caps love interest but then as we got further and further from WW2, they had to do something to explain the relationship between them. It went from younger sister…which by the 70s was stretching it too much…to saying “No no, all those times we said “sister” we meant “niece” okay? We cool?” and I swear in the 2000s they went to grand-niece because even a niece was stretching it too much. ---
**Author:** ![amarinth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/3be4f8/32.png) [@amarinth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/amarinth)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2015, 12:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s02e19-the-dirty-half-dozen/718768/105 "2015-05-02T00:37:20Z")
> [@silenus](#): > > iii. The development of Skye as Quake has taken this show from ho-hum to outstanding. I totally disagree with you. When the show first started, she was a good POV character - she was new to SHIELD, we were new to SHIELD, etc. But she’s a little too Mary Sue (the best hacker and the best fighter and the nicest person and superpowered and blah blah blah) to be the center and focus of the show. She’s ok in doses, but it’s a better show when it’s about the ensemble, not just about her. (To be clear, I’m not sure any of these characters is enough to sustain a show. I don’t see the Bobbi/Hunter thing working, but so far, they’ve tended to know what they’re doing, so…) ---
**Author:** ![Lightray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lightray/32/391_2.png) [@Lightray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lightray)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2015, 12:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s02e19-the-dirty-half-dozen/718768/106 "2015-05-02T00:58:15Z")
> [@YogSosoth](#): > > Wait, what? WTF? They’re doing a spinoff for this show already??? And rumor has it as [the Kamala Khan Ms. Marvel](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ms._Marvel_%28Kamala_Khan%29). Which would be awesome. Not sure how they’d work it, with Captain Marvel (Carol Danvers) not being introduced yet, but I’m sure they’ll figure something out. ---
**Author:** ![Albert\_Rose](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/9de053/32.png) [@Albert\_Rose](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Albert_Rose)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2015, 2:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s02e19-the-dirty-half-dozen/718768/107 "2015-05-02T02:59:57Z")
I like Skye and her waif-fu. I’m satisfied with lots of story about her. I’m with **DrDeth** in that the other characters are interesting in their own way - especially Son of Coul. To me, it seems that we’re getting plenty of drama with all of them. Jed and Maurissa and the other writers are doing a fine job of balancing all of the storylines. I’d also like to give fanboy thanks for the proliferation of Marvels in the show! ---
**Author:** ![Lightray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lightray/32/391_2.png) [@Lightray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lightray)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2015, 3:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s02e19-the-dirty-half-dozen/718768/108 "2015-05-02T03:08:03Z")
> [@Lightray](#): > > And rumor has it as [the Kamala Khan Ms. Marvel](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ms._Marvel_%28Kamala_Khan%29). Which would be awesome. Er, that was supposed to be in reply to the comment on the _other_ Marvel show rumored to be in development. The Agents of SHIELD spinoff is, of course, the aforementioned Bobbi - Hunter one. ---
**Author:** ![Push\_You\_Down](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/push_you_down/32/9095_2.png) [@Push\_You\_Down](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Push_You_Down)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2015, 3:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s02e19-the-dirty-half-dozen/718768/109 "2015-05-02T03:15:40Z")
> [@Lightray](#): > > And rumor has it as [the Kamala Khan Ms. Marvel](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ms._Marvel_%28Kamala_Khan%29). Which would be awesome. > > Not sure how they’d work it, with Captain Marvel (Carol Danvers) not being introduced yet, but I’m sure they’ll figure something out. That was my original issue with the rumor (you shouldn’t do a legacy character before you introduce…y’know, the Legacy) but I’ve come around to the idea that she doesn’t need to be inspired by Carol Danvers or go by the name Ms. Marvel. The important aspects of her are she’s a teenage Muslim-American girl and who gains Inhuman powers and becomes a hero. ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2015, 6:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s02e19-the-dirty-half-dozen/718768/110 "2015-05-02T06:39:58Z")
> [@Push\_You\_Down](#): > > you shouldn’t do a legacy character before you introduce…y’know, the Legacy Seen the Ant-Man trailer, yet? ---
**Author:** ![emarkp](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/3be4f8/32.png) [@emarkp](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/emarkp)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2015, 8:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s02e19-the-dirty-half-dozen/718768/111 "2015-05-02T08:31:41Z")
> [@amarinth](#): > > I’m 80% sure that 13 is Peggy’s granddaughter. > > Also Revenge is not yet canceled, though I’ve read that it’s unlikely to be picked up for a full 22 next year. Revenge [officially toast](http://www.ew.com/article/2015/04/29/revenge-series-finale-season4?hootPostID=9fc03840e138078ab7ed40595c34b909). ---
**Author:** ![emarkp](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/3be4f8/32.png) [@emarkp](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/emarkp)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2015, 8:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s02e19-the-dirty-half-dozen/718768/112 "2015-05-02T08:46:43Z")
> [@D\_Odds](#): > > I’m not going back to rewatch any of SHIELD, but did Skye’s serious training begin before or after Winter Soldier. I remember her being rather Mary Sue-ish during the Hydra takeover. The bigger question then becomes how much time has elapsed between _Winter Soldier_ and _Age of Ultron_. Were there any points during the season where they might not have been chasing/being chased by big bads and she could have gotten real field training to supplement May’s training? I could be (and often am regarding minute detail of TV shows) wrong, but I believe the _Agents of SHIELD_ have been on a rollercoaster with very little time between crises, especially after _Winter Soldier_. Skye started basic training with Ward before WS, then picked up the pace with May after Hydra popped out. Beginning of Season 2 she was sniper overwatch for the freezer guy in the harbor. ---
**Author:** ![Half\_Man\_Half\_Wit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/half_man_half_wit/32/21766_2.png) [@Half\_Man\_Half\_Wit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Half_Man_Half_Wit)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2015, 12:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s02e19-the-dirty-half-dozen/718768/113 "2015-05-02T12:05:12Z")
> [@MrDibble](#): > > In comics continuity even pre-Terrigenesis Inhumans benefit from the Kree modifications of their genome - they are[better than peak human.](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inhumans#Powers_and_abilities) That could account for some of the super-fighting ability even in an only lightly-trained person. Also, nobody seemed to have any problem with Raina taking out SHIELD agents effortlessly after her transformation—true, it was more obviously physical, but just getting spiny does not necessarily imply superhuman fighting powers, and in fact, her actual power turned out to be clairvoyance; so I can easily buy some physical superiority just being part of the terrigenisis package deal. ---
**Author:** ![levdrakon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/49beb7/32.png) [@levdrakon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/levdrakon)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2015, 11:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s02e19-the-dirty-half-dozen/718768/114 "2015-05-04T23:04:15Z")
> [@YogSosoth](#): > > Colossus can create metal skin. He has no need to work out. He should be a pudgy, short guy. He was a poor, hard working Russian farmboy who was already built like a brick shit house. He’d be built even if he didn’t have powers. Anyhoo, we just need to accept that people destined to be heroes have more natural ability and aptitude than the rest of us schlubs. Skye was destined to be what she is. “Training really hard” works wonders on those destined for herohood. Watch Arrow sometime, people train up to hero status all the frakking time. Skye’s well-choreographed fight scene was pretty good, and to me it was Skye’s graduation demonstration. She’s a full-fledged agent, and not just a chick with powers. The Ward strory was interesting. I felt myself softening towards him again, even though I know I shouldn’t. Well done. I hate the idea of a Bobbi Hunter spin-off. It won’t succeed and those two characters add a lot to AoS. I liked Bobbi & Mac’s sparring scene too. Was that this week or last? I got two eps behind and watched both last night. Bobbi’s got a great super hero build. ---
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2015, 11:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s02e19-the-dirty-half-dozen/718768/115 "2015-05-04T23:31:02Z")
> [@levdrakon](#): > > Skye’s well-choreographed fight scene was pretty good, and to me it was Skye’s graduation demonstration. She’s a full-fledged agent, and not just a chick with powers. > > The Ward strory was interesting. I felt myself softening towards him again, even though I know I shouldn’t. Well done. > > I hate the idea of a Bobbi Hunter spin-off. It won’t succeed and those two characters add a lot to AoS. > > I liked Bobbi & Mac’s sparring scene too. Was that this week or last? I got two eps behind and watched both last night. Bobbi’s got a great super hero build. Agree. Agree and don’t like it either (“4 times.”) I disagree. I think the show will be a good one, and explore some interesting corners of the Marvel universe. Agree, but the costuming needs work. Bobbi looked like she was sporting a pair of “bolt-ons.” I don’t know if Palicki has had implants, but she sure looked like it in that scene, to the detriment of her stunning good looks as a default position. ---
**Author:** ![gonzoron](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/a6a055/32.png) [@gonzoron](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gonzoron)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2015, 1:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s02e19-the-dirty-half-dozen/718768/116 "2015-05-05T01:04:34Z")
Skye’s fight scene was the best fight scene I’ve seen on TV in years. since… I don’t even know. (Faith v Buffy, maybe?) I had to go back and watch it again. I haven’t re-watched a fight scene since Quicksilver’s scene in DOFP. I don’t care if it’s Mary Sueish. Don’t care if it’s fan-service. It was badass, and I loved it unashamedly. Getting off the Skye topic for a moment: Does anyone have a guess at what Ward’s motivation is? He’s lied so much, it’s hard to get a read. I’m not sure whether the writers know and are keeping it close to the vest, or if they just use him as they want and leave it undefined. Is he really trying for the redemption train? Did he have real feelings for Kara/33? I dunno… thoughts? Also, I’m surprised every single episode that Kal survives. Every conversation with Jiaying screams “I’m going to have you put down after I leave the room.” and yet… he lives. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2015, 1:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s02e19-the-dirty-half-dozen/718768/117 "2015-05-05T01:48:21Z")
> [@gonzoron](#): > > Getting off the Skye topic for a moment: Does anyone have a guess at what Ward’s motivation is? He’s lied so much, it’s hard to get a read. I’m not sure whether the writers know and are keeping it close to the vest, or if they just use him as they want and leave it undefined. Is he really trying for the redemption train? Did he have real feelings for Kara/33? I dunno… thoughts? We’ve seen that Ward grew up in a terrible family. I think he’s been trying to find a replacement family he could belong to. Garrett was the first one to offer him a substitute family but he was really just as bad as Ward’s original family. But as his Hydra duties, Ward was assigned to work on Coulson’s team and this is where he found the real family he always wanted. But his existing loyalty to Garrett made him betray the team. But ever since, Ward has been deluding himself that it’s possible for him to do something that will be enough for the team to forgive him and welcome him back into the family. This episode was when he finally realized it is never going to happen. ---
**Author:** ![levdrakon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/49beb7/32.png) [@levdrakon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/levdrakon)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2015, 1:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s02e19-the-dirty-half-dozen/718768/118 "2015-05-05T01:56:15Z")
I wouldn’t say he knows it’s never going to happen, but he’s more than smart enough to know it ain’t happening soon. Returning 33 for help was a good start. ---
**Author:** ![Gothic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/839c29/32.png) [@Gothic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gothic)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2015, 2:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s02e19-the-dirty-half-dozen/718768/119 "2015-05-05T14:59:56Z")
I am trying not to expect much in tonight’s episode and failing. ---
**Author:** ![Ethilrist](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ethilrist/32/4604_2.png) [@Ethilrist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ethilrist)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2015, 3:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s02e19-the-dirty-half-dozen/718768/120 "2015-05-05T15:25:28Z")
I’m curious to see how they handle the news that (a) Nick Fury’s back and (b) he’s got the helicarrier. Might take some of the steam out of Gonzalez’s stride. “Maybe I could get a big truck or something…” [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s02e19-the-dirty-half-dozen/718768.md?page=5) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s02e19-the-dirty-half-dozen/718768.md?page=7)