# Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D S02E20: Scars **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [May 5, 2015, 11:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s02e20-scars/719349 "2015-05-05T23:58:42Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![pricciar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/f4b2a3/32.png) [@pricciar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pricciar)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2015, 11:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s02e20-scars/719349/1 "2015-05-05T23:58:42Z")
“Scars” Directed by Bobby Roth Written by Rafe Judkins & Lauren LeFranc Last week Coulson sent stolen information to movie people. This week we’ll probably find out … Well, maybe we will find out stuff. But. First I will put it in spoilers for those of us who haven’t seen Age of Ultron, yet. (Let’s keep in mind that not everyone has seen Ultron yet, so it’s probably best to keep plot points from the movie spoiled. ) I was speculating that maybe we would find out where Fury got the agents to man the helicarrier they came on the scene with at the final battle. We’ll also probably meet a toddler Ultron who somehow survived the movie and remained physically intact, but his intellect became a wise cracking little moppet. Or. Maybe not? For Agents of SHIELD watchers who haven’t seen Ultron yet. What are you waiting for?! [Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D S02E01: Shadows](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=735202) [Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D S02E02: Heavy is the Head](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=735949) [Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D S02E03: Making Friends And Influencing People (open spoilers)](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=736682) [Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D S02E04: Face My Enemy](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=737365) [Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D S02E05: A Hen in the Wolf House](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=738138) [Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D S02E06: A Fractured House](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=738875) [Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D S02E07: The Writing on the Wall](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=740542) [Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D S02E08: The Things We Bury](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=17911046) [Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D S02E09:…Ye Who Enter Here](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=742435) [Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D S02E10: What They Become](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=743084) [Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D S02E11: Aftershocks](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=750827) [Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D S02E12: Who You Really Are](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=751400) [Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D S02E13: One of Us](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=751940) [Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D S02E14: Love In the Time of Hydra](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=752626) [Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D S02E15: One Door Closes](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=753195) [Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D S02E16: Afterlife](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=753853) [Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D S02E17: Melinda](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=754493) [Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D S02E18: Frenemy of My Enemy](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=755056) [Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D S02E19: The Dirty Half Dozen](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=755614) ---
**Author:** ![D\_Odds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/d_odds/32/2882_2.png) [@D\_Odds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/D_Odds)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2015, 1:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s02e20-scars/719349/2 "2015-05-06T01:37:11Z")
Spoilery for Age of Ultron. It’s not like Age of Ultron is a thriller with wild twists and turns, but anyone who gets upset over inconsequential spoilers might get upset. ---
**Author:** ![Lightray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lightray/32/391_2.png) [@Lightray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lightray)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2015, 2:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s02e20-scars/719349/3 "2015-05-06T02:29:30Z")
Jiaying worrying about how manipulative Raina is turns out to be the most manipulative of all! ---
**Author:** ![Oakminster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/77aa72/32.png) [@Oakminster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Oakminster)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2015, 4:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s02e20-scars/719349/4 "2015-05-06T04:37:30Z")
We’re done with Adama. Can’t say I’ll miss him. Great actor, but didn’t care for this character. They got me with the 33/May thing. In hindsight, it should’ve been obvious as soon as “May” proposed the scouting mission. From a continuity perspective, seems like flight ops on the carrier should have noticed an extra quinjet taking off. Unless I missed something, the spirit-medal thing was a weak ass backup plan. Two hour season finale next week should be exciting… ---
**Author:** ![levdrakon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/49beb7/32.png) [@levdrakon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/levdrakon)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2015, 5:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s02e20-scars/719349/5 "2015-05-06T05:22:16Z")
Wow, Shield vs. Inhumans, maybe Inhumans vs. humanity. Nah, probably not that big. Poor Skye, what a pickle. Ward, Ward, Ward. You’re breaking my heart man. Bye Mac. Big baby. Bye Gonzales. You’re too big to take secondary position. So was Raina telling the truth for once? Don’t care. She’s still evil. Cal & Jaiying are more alike than I thought. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2015, 5:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s02e20-scars/719349/6 "2015-05-06T05:32:00Z")
> [@levdrakon](#): > > So was Raina telling the truth for once? Don’t care. She’s still evil. As far as I can tell, Raina has always told the truth about her prophecies. She just tries to manipulate the way other people respond to them. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2015, 5:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s02e20-scars/719349/7 "2015-05-06T05:35:16Z")
The scene where Simmons told Fitz that she tried to kill Ward and her only regret was failing was a good one. Our little Jemma has become quite the bad-ass. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2015, 5:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s02e20-scars/719349/8 "2015-05-06T05:44:03Z")
> [@Oakminster](#): > > Unless I missed something, the spirit-medal thing was a weak ass backup plan. Unless I missed something, it wasn’t intended as a backup plan. There was some misdirection from the writers - they led us to suspect that Gonzalez was smuggling in some kind of weapon to ambush Jiaying. But it turns out he was doing his mission as ordered and the package was a diplomatic gift offering. Which shows that Jiaying’s ambush was unprovoked; it’s not like she was trying to get in a pre-emptive attack before Gonzalez attacked her. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2015, 5:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s02e20-scars/719349/9 "2015-05-06T05:52:44Z")
What was it that Bobbi supposedly did to 33? I remember the episode when Bobbi and Simmons were undercover in Hydra and 33 was being brainwashed but I don’t remember any interaction between them. ---
**Author:** ![Declan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ecae2f/32.png) [@Declan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Declan)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2015, 6:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s02e20-scars/719349/10 "2015-05-06T06:10:17Z")
> [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > What was it that Bobbi supposedly did to 33? I remember the episode when Bobbi and Simmons were undercover in Hydra and 33 was being brainwashed but I don’t remember any interaction between them. I figure , that Kara figured that Bobbi would have rescued her, Bobbi being deep cover in hydra at the time. Declan ---
**Author:** ![Declan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ecae2f/32.png) [@Declan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Declan)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2015, 6:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s02e20-scars/719349/11 "2015-05-06T06:11:37Z")
> [@levdrakon](#): > > Wow, Shield vs. Inhumans, maybe Inhumans vs. humanity. Nah, probably not that big. Yup, shield is gonna be going in next week, weapons hot and fangs out. Declan ---
**Author:** ![Oakminster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/77aa72/32.png) [@Oakminster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Oakminster)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2015, 6:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s02e20-scars/719349/12 "2015-05-06T06:17:11Z")
> [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > The scene where Simmons told Fitz that she tried to kill Ward and her only regret was failing was a good one. Our little Jemma has become quite the bad-ass. Our little Jemma has changed alignment to Chaotic Neutral, with evil tendencies. She committed cold blooded murder last week, and her only regret is murdering the wrong guy. ---
**Author:** ![Alessan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alessan/32/465_2.png) [@Alessan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alessan)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2015, 11:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s02e20-scars/719349/13 "2015-05-06T11:27:32Z")
I’d just like to say that I had those exact same _Empire Strikes Back_ sheets. I slept on them until I was 21. ---
**Author:** ![muldoonthief](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/muldoonthief/32/3188_2.png) [@muldoonthief](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/muldoonthief)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2015, 11:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s02e20-scars/719349/14 "2015-05-06T11:31:25Z")
> [@Alessan](#): > > I’d just like to say that I had those exact same _Empire Strikes Back_ sheets. I slept on them until I was 21. I’m convinced those are Patton Oswalt’s actual sheets. ---
**Author:** ![Lightray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lightray/32/391_2.png) [@Lightray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lightray)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2015, 12:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s02e20-scars/719349/15 "2015-05-06T12:41:16Z")
> [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > … Which shows that Jiaying’s ambush was unprovoked; it’s not like she was trying to get in a pre-emptive attack before Gonzalez attacked her. Her actions were absolutely premeditated: she’d already mused on how she’d get her people to follow her into war. The writers allowed the viewers to assume that meant she wanted to _avoid_ war. But all along the Inhumans have shown disdain for normal humans, and extreme aversion to being found out. It was very unlikely they’d meekly submit to being Indexed - particularly after SHIELD changed the arrangements on them without warning. As soon as Cal got on the Quinjet cheerfully insisting he didn’t know what the vials were, I knew something was up. (I’m assuming that was his Hyde formula.) ---
**Author:** ![Telemark](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/telemark/32/372_2.png) [@Telemark](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Telemark)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2015, 2:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s02e20-scars/719349/16 "2015-05-06T14:23:47Z")
> [@Lightray](#): > > As soon as Cal got on the Quinjet cheerfully insisting he didn’t know what the vials were, I knew something was up. (I’m assuming that was his Hyde formula.) But is he in on Jiaying’s plan or is he just being goofy Cal? I assume because it was his idea to give himself up to save Skye he’s not in on it. He hates SHIELD but acknowledges that Coulson loves Skye. Of Skye’s parents, Jianying is the worse monster. I don’t know why she used the Terragen Mist to kill Adama, that seems like a dangerous way to take him out. He clearly wasn’t an Inhuman, so how do you explain that you just had a crystal handy to take him out? Seems like a strange story to spin. And were any latent Inhumans close enough to her office to be transformed? That would be some interesting unintended consequences. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2015, 2:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s02e20-scars/719349/17 "2015-05-06T14:26:24Z")
> [@muldoonthief](#): > > I’m convinced those are Patton Oswalt’s actual sheets. He claims they aren’t. He says he has New Kids on the Block sheets. :eek:😃 ---
**Author:** ![Gothic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/839c29/32.png) [@Gothic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gothic)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2015, 2:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s02e20-scars/719349/18 "2015-05-06T14:27:04Z")
I wonder if Cap would live if he was sitting in that chair. Which side would Captain America fight for in the upcoming battle? I am rooting for the inhumans. I like the inhuman characters/actors more plus Jiaying is right about indexing. Was Mac’s resignation just an excuse for the spinoff? ---
**Author:** ![Lightray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lightray/32/391_2.png) [@Lightray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lightray)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2015, 2:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s02e20-scars/719349/19 "2015-05-06T14:49:39Z")
Cap would _definitely_ be on the side of the Inhumans. SHIELD compiling lists of dangerous people was one of the things he railed against Fury in _Winter Soldier_, and his opposition to registering superhumans is going to be the plot of _Civil War_. And then there’s his comment in _Age of Ultron_ about SHIELD. And SHIELD’s paranoia about superhuman threats is hypocritical - SHIELD’s agents are far more dangerous than a lot of the superhumans we’ve seen. Technopathy nerd, razors-on-fingers girl, and even Jiaying are far, far less dangerous than Hawkeye, Black Widow, May, Bobbi, Ward, or even Coulson. ---
**Author:** ![muldoonthief](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/muldoonthief/32/3188_2.png) [@muldoonthief](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/muldoonthief)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2015, 3:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s02e20-scars/719349/20 "2015-05-06T15:06:39Z")
I thought Jiaying was going to unwrap a Nazi yellow star as her response to Gonzales’ request to index Inhumans in case they became dangerous later. Tie together the whole Hydra and SHIELD are indistinguishable as far as Inhumans are concerned idea. This was much better. Though as soon as he held up his cane and said “We share the same scars”, I thought “He’s gonna pay for that!” [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s02e20-scars/719349.md?page=2)