# Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D S02E20: Scars **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [May 5, 2015, 11:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s02e20-scars/719349 "2015-05-05T23:58:42Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![muldoonthief](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/muldoonthief/32/3188_2.png) [@muldoonthief](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/muldoonthief)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2015, 3:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s02e20-scars/719349/21 "2015-05-06T15:14:19Z")
Oh, and we can now all agree that Gonzales’ carrier is just a plain old non-flying carrier, right? “This way we’ll have a cool underground base, and a boat.” ---
**Author:** ![levdrakon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/49beb7/32.png) [@levdrakon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/levdrakon)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2015, 3:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s02e20-scars/719349/22 "2015-05-06T15:22:37Z")
Yeah, I figured “we both share scars” wasn’t going to go over well, but clearly she was planning her response beforehand anyway. ---
**Author:** ![Quimby](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/22d042/32.png) [@Quimby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Quimby)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2015, 3:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s02e20-scars/719349/23 "2015-05-06T15:31:31Z")
I enjoyed the twist within a twist that Raina was telling the truth after all. I do wonder about this up coming Inhumans movie. The movies seem to be treating the TV show like it’s a clingy ex they acknowledge barely but would rather ignore but so much Inhumans set up is being done here they will ave to address it in the movie. ---
**Author:** ![Push\_You\_Down](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/push_you_down/32/9095_2.png) [@Push\_You\_Down](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Push_You_Down)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2015, 4:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s02e20-scars/719349/24 "2015-05-06T16:44:58Z")
> [@Quimby](#): > > I enjoyed the twist within a twist that Raina was telling the truth after all. > > I do wonder about this up coming Inhumans movie. The movies seem to be treating the TV show like it’s a clingy ex they acknowledge barely but would rather ignore but so much Inhumans set up is being done here they will ave to address it in the movie. I felt the same way… but then the Inhumans movie got pushed back to 2019. AoS might not/probably won’t be on the air anymore so I don’t think it will be much of an issue. The show won’t touch the royal family characters and it will be established that there are other Inhuman enclaves all over the world. If Marvel sticks to the “no more origin movies” then the Inhumans will just hit the ground running and if you watched AoS you’ll have a richer understanding of the background but it won’t be necessary. My critique of the episode- It didn’t make any sense why SHIELD was going to go to Afterlife. The Inhumans have a teleporter… Skye just needed to negotiate a neutral meeting place and have Gordon take her mom there for the meet and greet. Why would the Inhumans allow SHIELD to come to their (supposedly) secret home? Everything else could have played out exactly the same. SHIELD secretly knows how to track Gordon…Jiaying kills Gonzales…Gordon teleports her back to Afterlife…SHIELD track them there and invades. Having said that… the scene with Gonzales and Jiaying was good, but I knew she was going to kill him. They dropped a lot of hints in earlier episodes that she can go dark. If Adrienne Padlicki wasn’t so tall (she literally towers over every other woman on the show), I was expecting there to be a twist with the Ward and 33 scene. With Morse having a mask of her own and looking like 33 and making 33 wear a mask of Morse’s face. Ward shot the person coming out of the quinjet without a beat…maybe he actually shot 33. They could still do this since in the episode where they raided the army base they treated the mask like it was Mystique-style full body transformations depending on what the scene called for. ---
**Author:** ![Lightray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lightray/32/391_2.png) [@Lightray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lightray)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2015, 4:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s02e20-scars/719349/25 "2015-05-06T16:51:08Z")
SHIELD went to Afterlife to demonstrate that they had their boot on the neck of the Inhumans. It was an implicit threat: SHIELD knew where they were and they couldn’t hide so line up and get numbers tattooed on your arms like good little labrats. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2015, 4:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s02e20-scars/719349/26 "2015-05-06T16:58:57Z")
> [@Quimby](#): > > I do wonder about this up coming Inhumans movie. The movies seem to be treating the TV show like it’s a clingy ex they acknowledge barely but would rather ignore but so much Inhumans set up is being done here they will ave to address it in the movie. You have to remember we’re seeing the TV series on an American broadcasting schedule while the movies are being released internationally. In the UK, for example, they just watched the “Afterlife” episode this week (that’s the one where Skye first went to the Inhumans base and Mike Peterson appeared). That’s also the episode that’s going to be broadcast tonight in Australia. And in Brazil, this week’s episode was “Who You Really Are” - that’s the one where Sif appeared. Although you don’t have to worry about spoilers if you’re talking to any Indians - they see the episodes on the same day they’re broadcast in America. But the movie was released in all of these countries a week ahead of when it was released in the United States. So trying to sync together the show and the movie just wouldn’t work. Just feel sorry for those poor Brazilians who are going to spend two months trying to figure out where Nick Fury got a helicarrier. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2015, 5:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s02e20-scars/719349/27 "2015-05-06T17:18:01Z")
> [@Push\_You\_Down](#): > > If Adrienne Padlicki wasn’t so tall (she literally towers over every other woman on the show) I checked: Adrianne Palicki - 5’11" Dichen Lachman - 5’7" Maya Stojan - 5’6" Chloe Bennet - 5’6" Ming-Na Wen - 5’4" Elizabeth Henstridge - 5’4" Ruth Negga - 5’3" Palicki is also taller than several of the men on the show: Nick Blood - 5’10" Edward James Olmos - 5’10" Adrian Pasdar - 5’10" Clark Gregg - 5’9" Iain De Caestecker - 5’8" Patton Oswalt - 5’7" ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2015, 5:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s02e20-scars/719349/28 "2015-05-06T17:25:41Z")
> [@Telemark](#): > > I don’t know why she used the Terragen Mist to kill Adama, that seems like a dangerous way to take him out. He clearly wasn’t an Inhuman, so how do you explain that you just had a crystal handy to take him out? Seems like a strange story to spin. And were any latent Inhumans close enough to her office to be transformed? That would be some interesting unintended consequences. Presumably, the effect of the crystal was confined within the room. If not, Jiaying’s plan wouldn’t work. She wanted people to think that Gonzales had shot her first and she had been forced to defend herself. If people felt the effects of the crystal before hearing the gunshots, that deception would have immediately fallen apart. ---
**Author:** ![levdrakon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/49beb7/32.png) [@levdrakon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/levdrakon)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2015, 11:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s02e20-scars/719349/29 "2015-05-06T23:10:48Z")
> [@Push\_You\_Down](#): > > I felt the same way… but then the Inhumans movie got pushed back to 2019. AoS might not/probably won’t be on the air anymore so I don’t think it will be much of an issue. The show won’t touch the royal family characters and it will be established that there are other Inhuman enclaves all over the world. If Marvel sticks to the “no more origin movies” then the Inhumans will just hit the ground running and if you watched AoS you’ll have a richer understanding of the background but it won’t be necessary. I’m surprised they’re fleshing out the Inhumans as much as they are, and 2019 seems a long time away. I wouldn’t be shocked if the movie got moved again, or maybe didn’t happen at all. Who knows? I’m very much looking forward to what/who the Inhumans bring to bear in their first volley in this war. Of course that sounds expensive special effects-wise, so maybe there will be an armistice at the last moment, once Coulson & Skye get together and work something out. I’m hoping for some nice fireworks though. We haven’t seen too many Inhumans yet but if Jaiying has anything like a special reaction force ready, it should be pretty fun. ---
**Author:** ![What\_Exit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/what_exit/32/10652_2.png) [@What\_Exit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_Exit)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2015, 1:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s02e20-scars/719349/30 "2015-05-07T01:10:52Z")
Am I the only one that disliked this episode? The thing with Bobbi, 33 & Grant was goofy. Why anyone thought Gonzales was objective is incomprehensible. He strongly distrusts and fears people with powers. I mean I am perfectly content the character is gone from the show but the logic of sending him to negotiate was troll logic. I’m not a big fan of the self-inflicted wounds on Jiaying. Shields knows of her regenerative powers and won’t believe Gonzales tried to take her out with a gun and I would think some of the humans won’t believe it either. Also I don’t like having both of Skye’s parents being insane. I’m glad no one trusted Raina at least, it would have been a complete breech of sanity to ever trust her further than you know an action will help her. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2015, 3:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s02e20-scars/719349/31 "2015-05-07T03:07:23Z")
> [@levdrakon](#): > > I’m surprised they’re fleshing out the Inhumans as much as they are, and 2019 seems a long time away. I think they have to work on it. From my comic book reading recollections, the Inhumans were a fairly minor aspect of the Marvel universe. But in the movie/TV universe, they seemed to be filling the void caused by the absence of mutants. So the studios have to work on rebranding them. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2015, 3:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s02e20-scars/719349/32 "2015-05-07T03:10:41Z")
> [@What\_Exit](#): > > I’m glad no one trusted Raina at least, it would have been a complete breech of sanity to ever trust her further than you know an action will help her. Except they should have trusted Raina this time. Yes, she was trying to seize power for her own personal benefit. But the Inhumans would have been better off if she had succeeded. Raina’s vision was that Shield would launch an attack on the Inhumans if Jaiying met with their representative - and that’s exactly what’s happening. ---
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2015, 3:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s02e20-scars/719349/33 "2015-05-07T03:23:14Z")
Continuity note: this episode explains where the missing 5 diviners went. I am looking forward to Cal hydeing out on everybody. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2015, 4:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s02e20-scars/719349/34 "2015-05-07T04:41:14Z")
> [@What\_Exit](#): > > Am I the only one that disliked this episode? The thing with Bobbi, 33 & Grant was goofy. > > Why anyone thought Gonzales was objective is incomprehensible. He strongly distrusts and fears people with powers. I mean I am perfectly content the character is gone from the show but the logic of sending him to negotiate was troll logic. > > I. Yes, and how did 33 get out? And why isnt there a tracking device on her? I mean, they have trackers, they know her tricks, it’s _just plain stupid_ they didnt have one on her. I am kinds happy to see Gonzales go, he was a useless bastard. And taking Cal in, with just two guards and cuffs? Are they _fucking_ stupid?:mad: ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_Q](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/898d66/32.png) [@Johnny\_Q](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_Q)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2015, 7:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s02e20-scars/719349/35 "2015-05-07T07:57:40Z")
If Coulson had met with the Inhumans as originally planned, would he have survived the Terrigenisis? ---
**Author:** ![Alessan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alessan/32/465_2.png) [@Alessan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alessan)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2015, 8:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s02e20-scars/719349/36 "2015-05-07T08:44:45Z")
> [@Johnny\_Q](#): > > If Coulson had met with the Inhumans as originally planned, would he have survived the Terrigenisis? No, but Jiaying might have hesitated killing someone her daughter cares so much about. Or not. ---
**Author:** ![Uncle\_Jocko](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/uncle_jocko/32/2932_2.png) [@Uncle\_Jocko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Uncle_Jocko)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2015, 11:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s02e20-scars/719349/37 "2015-05-07T11:46:25Z")
> [@Alessan](#): > > No, but Jiaying might have hesitated killing someone her daughter cares so much about. Or not. Are we certain Son of Coul wouldn’t have survived? He’s got Kree blood in him, you know. Plus, he died once already (cue the Monty Python “I got better” voice). I think there’s at least room to speculate. ---
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2015, 11:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s02e20-scars/719349/38 "2015-05-07T11:59:15Z")
SHIELD seems to have a habit of under-securing just about everything and everybody. And we’re supposed to _trust_ them to keep us safe from threats? I don’t think so. They make too many fundamental mistakes. ---
**Author:** ![muldoonthief](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/muldoonthief/32/3188_2.png) [@muldoonthief](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/muldoonthief)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2015, 12:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s02e20-scars/719349/39 "2015-05-07T12:06:19Z")
> [@DrDeth](#): > > And taking Cal in, with just two guards and cuffs? Are they _fucking_ stupid?:mad: > [@silenus](#): > > SHIELD seems to have a habit of under-securing just about everything and everybody. And we’re supposed to _trust_ them to keep us safe from threats? I don’t think so. They make too many fundamental mistakes. Assuming you’re talking about the same thing - remember, SHIELD had no idea that the Inhumans were going to turn over Cal when they arrived. And they were trying to not come in with a huge show of force - Coulson’s original plan, which Gonzales apparently changed, was to go in unarmed. So they had to secure Cal with what they had. ---
**Author:** ![Ethilrist](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ethilrist/32/4604_2.png) [@Ethilrist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ethilrist)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2015, 12:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s02e20-scars/719349/40 "2015-05-07T12:23:00Z")
> [@levdrakon](#): > > So was Raina telling the truth for once? Don’t care. She’s still evil. She doesn’t have to be lying to still be a manipulative bitch. Things tend to explode when Shield’s around; she saw blood, and explosions, and fighting… pretty much anything could happen. > [@DrDeth](#): > > And taking Cal in, with just two guards and cuffs? Are they fucking stupid? Have they seen Cal be anything other than crazy & violent? For that matter, have we? That said, I’m getting a little tired of the range of skills demonstrated by Shield agents… the best of them are in the Avengers, but most of them seem to be, in Coulson’s words, “a bunch of minimum-wage mall cops.” [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s02e20-scars/719349.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s02e20-scars/719349.md?page=3)