# Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D S02E20: Scars **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [May 5, 2015, 11:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s02e20-scars/719349 "2015-05-05T23:58:42Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![PatriotX](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/c4cdca/32.png) [@PatriotX](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PatriotX)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2015, 1:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s02e20-scars/719349/41 "2015-05-07T13:31:54Z")
> [@Johnny\_Q](#): > > If Coulson had met with the Inhumans as originally planned, would he have survived the Terrigenisis? It was the diviner’s metal which did the killing. Didn’t Coulson already handle the diviner? ---
**Author:** ![gonzoron](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/a6a055/32.png) [@gonzoron](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gonzoron)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2015, 1:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s02e20-scars/719349/42 "2015-05-07T13:34:15Z")
> [@muldoonthief](#): > > I’m convinced those are Patton Oswalt’s actual sheets. Funny, my wife said the same thing about the sock drawer, and then I said the same thing you did about the sheets. 🙂 BTW, while it was nice to see him in a flashback, where is he (them) in the present? > [@What\_Exit](#): > > Am I the only one that disliked this episode? The thing with Bobbi, 33 & Grant was goofy. Dunno about goofy, but it certainly blows the “he’s looking to belong, and wants SHIELD to be his family again” theory out of the water. Have he & 33 been playing a very long con? This certainly seems planned. > [@](#): > > Also I don’t like having both of Skye’s parents being insane. What makes you think she’s insane? Ruthless, yes, protective of her people to a fault, perhaps. But I don’t see any insanity there. ---
**Author:** ![Algernon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/a183cd/32.png) [@Algernon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Algernon)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2015, 1:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s02e20-scars/719349/43 "2015-05-07T13:43:37Z")
> [@What\_Exit](#): > > Am I the only one that disliked this episode? The thing with Bobbi, 33 & Grant was goofy. Nope. Yep. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2015, 2:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s02e20-scars/719349/44 "2015-05-07T14:29:58Z")
> [@gonzoron](#): > > Dunno about goofy, but it certainly blows the “he’s looking to belong, and wants SHIELD to be his family again” theory out of the water. My theory was that he had been holding unrealistic hopes of rejoining Shield up until his recent brief encounter with them where they made it clear no rapprochement was possible. ---
**Author:** ![Telemark](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/telemark/32/372_2.png) [@Telemark](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Telemark)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2015, 2:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s02e20-scars/719349/45 "2015-05-07T14:38:54Z")
> [@Alessan](#): > > No, but Jiaying might have hesitated killing someone her daughter cares so much about. Or not. She was expecting Coulson. She had this planned in advance when she thought he was coming, so if he had said something similar then presumably she was prepared to do the same to Coulson. ---
**Author:** ![Ethilrist](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ethilrist/32/4604_2.png) [@Ethilrist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ethilrist)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2015, 2:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s02e20-scars/719349/46 "2015-05-07T14:44:06Z")
I suddenly find myself wondering what the Inhumans’ backup plan for Gordon was. If Gordon’s the only person who knew where they are, this kind of indicates they have no other way to get back to civilization. What happens if he teleports someplace, right in front of a speeding truck? Even once they knew Shield was getting close to being able to track him, they kept using him as their transport because they had no other options. ---
**Author:** ![Mollie\_Magill](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mollie_magill/32/20882_2.png) [@Mollie\_Magill](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mollie_Magill)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2015, 2:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s02e20-scars/719349/47 "2015-05-07T14:53:35Z")
> [@What\_Exit](#): > > I’m not a big fan of the self-inflicted wounds on Jiaying. Shields knows of her regenerative powers and won’t believe Gonzales tried to take her out with a gun and I would think some of the humans won’t believe it either. Also I don’t like having both of Skye’s parents being insane. Whether SHIELD believes her is irrelevant. She’s trying to rally the Inhumans to war. ---
**Author:** ![gonzoron](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/a6a055/32.png) [@gonzoron](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gonzoron)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2015, 3:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s02e20-scars/719349/48 "2015-05-07T15:30:23Z")
> [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > My theory was that he had been holding unrealistic hopes of rejoining Shield up until his recent brief encounter with them where they made it clear no rapprochement was possible. Point taken. So now what? “they won’t have me back, so burn them all down?” Was his “Kara deserves a 2nd chance” business BS or sincere? ---
**Author:** ![control-z](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/eada6e/32.png) [@control-z](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/control-z)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2015, 3:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s02e20-scars/719349/49 "2015-05-07T15:30:33Z")
> [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > My theory was that he had been holding unrealistic hopes of rejoining Shield up until his recent brief encounter with them where they made it clear no rapprochement was possible. Possibly, but considering they didn’t let Ward back in I always thought it was a really stupid idea to let 33 back in when she was a known associate, and in fact lover, of Ward. ---
**Author:** ![Lightray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lightray/32/391_2.png) [@Lightray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lightray)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2015, 3:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s02e20-scars/719349/50 "2015-05-07T15:40:06Z")
Double-crossing SHIELD has been his plan all along. He told 33 that they just needed “one more thing”, and helping Coulson would get that for them. His sadsack reaction to being rejected at SHIELD was just as much a ruse as his continued claims about his “abuser” brother (whom Ward terrified and murdered when given the opportunity). It’s just unclear if what 33 and Ward needed from SHIELD was for them to confirm that all of the Hydra conditioning was removed from 33, or if they wanted Bobbi for whatever revenge 33 wants to take on her. And Bobbi was an idiot: psycho-traitor has deceived you, attacked you, and programmed the autopilot to land where _she_ wants. Do you: 1. Shackle the hell out of Kara, radio back to base what happened, override the autopilot and land the plane somewhere else? - _or_ - 1. Leave Kara “unconscious” in the Quinjet but untied, don’t bother letting SHIELD know what’s going on, while you go outside alone without checking to see if her KNOWN ACCOMPLICE is waiting to gun you down? Ooh. Dilemma, isn’t it? ---
**Author:** ![muldoonthief](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/muldoonthief/32/3188_2.png) [@muldoonthief](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/muldoonthief)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2015, 4:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s02e20-scars/719349/51 "2015-05-07T16:09:37Z")
> [@Ethilrist](#): > > I suddenly find myself wondering what the Inhumans’ backup plan for Gordon was. If Gordon’s the only person who knew where they are, this kind of indicates they have no other way to get back to civilization. What happens if he teleports someplace, right in front of a speeding truck? Even once they knew Shield was getting close to being able to track him, they kept using him as their transport because they had no other options. I doubt that Gordon is really the only person who knows where the Inhumans home is. It must predate him - it’s not like they built the whole thing out of the lumber that he transported up one piece at a time. I’d guess that once they got a teleporter, they cut off whatever other secret contact they had to the outside world and started using him exclusively. But Jiaying, if no one else, must know where they are. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2015, 4:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s02e20-scars/719349/52 "2015-05-07T16:37:04Z")
> [@muldoonthief](#): > > Assuming you’re talking about the same thing - remember, SHIELD had no idea that the Inhumans were going to turn over Cal when they arrived. And they were trying to not come in with a huge show of force - Coulson’s original plan, which Gonzales apparently changed, was to go in unarmed. So they had to secure Cal with what they had. Bam, Bam, bam…oh wait, maybe not enough stun rounds- bam, bam, bam. Hey how many in this clip? Bam, bam, bam… Then sealed in a clear block of Lucite. ---
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2015, 4:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s02e20-scars/719349/53 "2015-05-07T16:39:55Z")
Then again, would the mooks in the quinjet even know about Cal and what he’s capable of? Skye certainly isn’t going to be telling them. Would Simmons know? _None_ of them know about Mr. Hyde. Yet. ---
**Author:** ![Lightray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lightray/32/391_2.png) [@Lightray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lightray)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2015, 4:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s02e20-scars/719349/54 "2015-05-07T16:46:25Z")
Cal is on the Index, _because_ of his Mr. Hyde stuff. They’d all know. ---
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2015, 5:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s02e20-scars/719349/55 "2015-05-07T17:03:03Z")
Mooks? I doubt it. Since they weren’t expecting Cal to be handed over, I doubt very much that the red shirts were fully briefed about him. ---
**Author:** ![Ethilrist](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ethilrist/32/4604_2.png) [@Ethilrist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ethilrist)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2015, 5:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s02e20-scars/719349/56 "2015-05-07T17:15:27Z")
Okay, I think I missed something with Cal. I don’t recall him Hulking out or anything… does he have powers? When have they shown them? I realize he trashed his room in Afterlife, but that looked like human-normal destruction; it’s not like he punched his way through a wall or anything. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2015, 5:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s02e20-scars/719349/57 "2015-05-07T17:17:50Z")
> [@Ethilrist](#): > > Okay, I think I missed something with Cal. I don’t recall him Hulking out or anything… does he have powers? When have they shown them? I realize he trashed his room in Afterlife, but that looked like human-normal destruction; it’s not like he punched his way through a wall or anything. His super-name is Mr Hyde, and altho he hasnt gotten as powerful as in the comics yet, his strength is well beyond that a human, when angry. ---
**Author:** ![Unauthorized\_Cinnamon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/bc8723/32.png) [@Unauthorized\_Cinnamon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Unauthorized_Cinnamon)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2015, 5:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s02e20-scars/719349/58 "2015-05-07T17:41:31Z")
> [@DrDeth](#): > > Yes, and how did 33 get out? And why isnt there a tracking device on her? I mean, they have trackers, they know her tricks, it’s _just plain stupid_ they didnt have one on her. . . . Yeah. I admit I was really freaking tired when I watched this, but a lot of things had me confused. One minute Bobbi and May are noting that 33 is being locked up, and then somehow she was able to get out and impersonate May? How? And how did no one notice two Mays flying two different planes? Also, I’m not sure if I’m unclear on the inhumans’ origins and intentions, or if I was presciently clear on them. These people are incredibly scary - they deliberately expose generation after generation to the mist . . . why? Pardon me for siding with the potential fascists here, but a cult that risks their children’s lives and wellbeing to turn them into superpowered freaks is seriously concerning. Especially when we get some backstory about them being engineered weapons that some of the most bloodthirsty people in the universe decided, “Wait, this is too evil - better get rid of them.” I do love the idea of Raina being a self-cursed Cassandra. If she had ever had a modicum of trustworthiness, people would probably come around, but she’s always shown herself to be a narcissistic sociopath. _sad trombone_ ---
**Author:** ![Ethilrist](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ethilrist/32/4604_2.png) [@Ethilrist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ethilrist)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2015, 5:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s02e20-scars/719349/59 "2015-05-07T17:50:56Z")
> [@Unauthorized\_Cinnamon](#): > > Also, I’m not sure if I’m unclear on the inhumans’ origins and intentions, or if I was presciently clear on them. These people are incredibly scary - they deliberately expose generation after generation to the mist . . . why? > > Pardon me for siding with the potential fascists here, but a cult that risks their children’s lives and wellbeing to turn them into superpowered freaks is seriously concerning. Especially when we get some backstory about them being engineered weapons that some of the most bloodthirsty people in the universe decided, “Wait, this is too evil - better get rid of them.” My memory is that it was more “Wait, these people are _way too freaking powerful_–better get rid of them.” Which might also explain why they expose the occasional offspring: the need for a planetary defense system. Plus, superpowers. ---
**Author:** ![CorneaGenii](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/bb73d2/32.png) [@CorneaGenii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CorneaGenii)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2015, 8:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s02e20-scars/719349/60 "2015-05-07T20:13:38Z")
Maybe it’s been discussed and I just missed it, but does anyone have any idea what the deal is with the shape-shifting monolith thingy Gordon and Raina found in the bowels of Adama’s battleship? I seem to recall Jiaying saying that it was a Kree weapon left behind to destroy Inhumans. It reminded me of that “gravitonium” which that scientist dude merged with in S1. Anyone? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s02e20-scars/719349.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s02e20-scars/719349.md?page=4)