# Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D S03E04: Devils You Know **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [October 21, 2015, 1:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s03e04-devils-you-know/735310 "2015-10-21T01:17:29Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![pricciar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/f4b2a3/32.png) [@pricciar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pricciar)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2015, 1:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s03e04-devils-you-know/735310/1 "2015-10-21T01:17:29Z")
“Devils You Know” Directed by Ron Underwood Written by Paul Zbyszewski I just watched last week’s episode yesterday, and I have Star Wars on the brain so I just don’t know what to hope to see in this episode! Well, I guess mostly I want to see why Simmons so desperately wants to go back to that planet! [Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D S03E01: Laws of Nature](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=770424) [Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D S03E02: Purpose in The Machine](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=771227) [Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D S03E03:A Wanted (Inhu)man](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=772074) ---
**Author:** ![Lightray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lightray/32/391_2.png) [@Lightray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lightray)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2015, 2:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s03e04-devils-you-know/735310/2 "2015-10-21T02:06:11Z")
Well, despite a cheap cliffhanger ending, this was a better episode than last week. No one was carrying the idiot ball, outside of personal drama… and Coulson trusting Dragon Lady. Also: worst. Inhuman power. EVAR. ---
**Author:** ![Push\_You\_Down](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/push_you_down/32/9095_2.png) [@Push\_You\_Down](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Push_You_Down)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2015, 5:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s03e04-devils-you-know/735310/3 "2015-10-21T05:52:35Z")
So Lash is Rosalind right? That’s clearly the direction they are pointing us in, right? I’m thinking there will be some sort of twist but that’s the seed they’ve planted. Evil Ward was cool last season but he’s not a leader character so him as “Director of Hydra” boring. Werner Von Strucker is… odd, I’m thinking Blair Underwood’s doctor wasn’t killed and Werner changed his loyalty last second…especially since I think the actor was originally announced as playing Phobos, son of Ares and member of the comic Secret Warriors team or someone else saved the doctor last second. ---
**Author:** ![foolsguinea](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/foolsguinea/32/14751_2.png) [@foolsguinea](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/foolsguinea)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2015, 6:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s03e04-devils-you-know/735310/4 "2015-10-21T06:32:07Z")
I don’t think Lash is Rosalind, but if that red herring made you excited, then it worked. ---
**Author:** ![Miss\_Woodhouse](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/838e76/32.png) [@Miss\_Woodhouse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miss_Woodhouse)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2015, 4:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s03e04-devils-you-know/735310/5 "2015-10-21T16:07:46Z")
I think Lash is one of Rosalind’s underlings. Maybe Brooks (Boots? the top guy) and I wouldn’t be surprised if she knows and is using him for her own ends. I am looking forward to next week when they show us what happened to Simmons. I know it’s got a good chance of disappointing, but I love seeing her on screen. She and Fitz are family favorites. My kids and I love watching them. We also got a good chuckle over why Coulson isn’t wearing a tie this season. And May’s man is not dead. Everybody knows that a character isn’t really dead until you see the actor on another show. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![RikWriter](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/49beb7/32.png) [@RikWriter](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RikWriter)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2015, 4:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s03e04-devils-you-know/735310/6 "2015-10-21T16:12:56Z")
I’m fairly certain Andrew isn’t dead. Kid Strucker looked too afraid when he ran out of the store, and his henchmen weren’t with him. I’m thinking maybe Andrew is Lash and that’s why he left May. ---
**Author:** ![cmyk](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cmyk/32/3353_2.png) [@cmyk](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cmyk)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2015, 4:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s03e04-devils-you-know/735310/7 "2015-10-21T16:28:13Z")
> [@RikWriter](#): > > I’m fairly certain Andrew isn’t dead. Kid Strucker looked too afraid when he ran out of the store, and his henchmen weren’t with him. I’m thinking maybe Andrew is Lash and that’s why he left May. I’m putting my money on this bet. Nice. ---
**Author:** ![muldoonthief](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/muldoonthief/32/3188_2.png) [@muldoonthief](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/muldoonthief)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2015, 5:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s03e04-devils-you-know/735310/8 "2015-10-21T17:07:37Z")
> [@RikWriter](#): > > I’m fairly certain Andrew isn’t dead. Kid Strucker looked too afraid when he ran out of the store, and his henchmen weren’t with him. I’m thinking maybe Andrew is Lash and that’s why he left May. Nah, he’s just another nebbish agent who turns out to be a master of hand to hand combat. Like Phil himself was in the Marvel One-Shot “A Funny Thing Happened on the Way to Thor’s Hammer.” After all, you couldn’t be married to May for years without picking up some skills from her. ---
**Author:** ![WordMan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/e8c25b/32.png) [@WordMan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WordMan)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2015, 8:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s03e04-devils-you-know/735310/9 "2015-10-21T20:34:17Z")
> [@RikWriter](#): > > I’m fairly certain Andrew isn’t dead. Kid Strucker looked too afraid when he ran out of the store, and his henchmen weren’t with him. I’m thinking maybe Andrew is Lash and that’s why he left May. That would be a fun twist! And the misdirect to Rosalind would fit with that. And yeah, the Strucker kid seemed too spooked for everything to have gone cleanly. ETA: any bets on why Simmons has to go back? To overcome some internal PTSD when she “gave up hope”? Because something is over there she needs? Or some person that helped her survive that she wants to help in return? ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2015, 8:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s03e04-devils-you-know/735310/10 "2015-10-21T20:42:54Z")
> [@WordMan](#): > > ETA: any bets on why Simmons has to go back? To overcome some internal PTSD when she “gave up hope”? Because something is over there she needs? Or some person that helped her survive that she wants to help in return? I’m confident that the simpler the reason, the longer Simmons will refuse to articulate it for no apparent reason. ---
**Author:** ![Declan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ecae2f/32.png) [@Declan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Declan)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2015, 10:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s03e04-devils-you-know/735310/11 "2015-10-21T22:17:02Z")
> [@pricciar](#): > > “Devils You Know” > Directed by Ron Underwood > Written by Paul Zbyszewski > > I just watched last week’s episode yesterday, and I have Star Wars on the brain so I just don’t know what to hope to see in this episode! Well, I guess mostly I want to see why Simmons so desperately wants to go back to that planet! > [Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D S03E01: Laws of Nature](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=770424) > [Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D S03E02: Purpose in The Machine](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=771227) > [Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D S03E03:A Wanted (Inhu)man](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=772074) I think they should kill Ward and be done with it. Seems like the show is constrained by the marvel film , and cannot move forward with story arc’s until the movies set the new canon. So after MCU cancels the mutant movie, we get a hand me down mutant story line and lateral hydra story arc’s that are not likely to really interfere with the main movies. I like the new agency, and I’m betting that it has more than a few Shield and Hydra refugee’s filling their ranks, but Coulson is still going on tactical ops, instead of staying back and concentrating on what shield has remaining, and what else are they working on. We have two air carriers and an unknown amount of shield units that should have come in from the cold, after Coulson and Adama made up. Waiting on new life to be breathed into the show. Declan ---
**Author:** ![galen\_ubal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/galen_ubal/32/4440_2.png) [@galen\_ubal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/galen_ubal)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2015, 2:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s03e04-devils-you-know/735310/12 "2015-10-22T02:14:30Z")
I like the Andrew is Lash theory, but I think it more likely that Rosalind’s attack dog Banks\* is Lash. I’m still enjoying the show, but I’m getting a bit tired of the keeping secrets from each other thing. Any rational person would have been questioning Jemma, May, etc a \*lot]/i] more, rather than just letting it go as they have been. \*Had to look that up. ---
**Author:** ![Folacin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/folacin/32/3195_2.png) [@Folacin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Folacin)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2015, 2:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s03e04-devils-you-know/735310/13 "2015-10-22T02:34:26Z")
> [@WordMan](#): > > ETA: any bets on why Simmons has to go back? To overcome some internal PTSD when she “gave up hope”? Because something is over there she needs? Or some person that helped her survive that she wants to help in return? I’m worried that it is a baby - sped up time? ---
**Author:** ![galen\_ubal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/galen_ubal/32/4440_2.png) [@galen\_ubal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/galen_ubal)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2015, 2:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s03e04-devils-you-know/735310/14 "2015-10-22T02:35:26Z")
Too late to edit, or fix my coding… The shadow show of Lash turning human wasn’t terribly detailed, natch, but I’d swear it was a male silhouette, and probably short-haired to boot. So either Banks or Andrew. The first would explain a lot, but so would the second. I’ll backtrack a bit on my previous assertion, and give it a 50/50 shot between the two. Andrew would be more dramatic… ---
**Author:** ![galen\_ubal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/galen_ubal/32/4440_2.png) [@galen\_ubal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/galen_ubal)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2015, 3:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s03e04-devils-you-know/735310/15 "2015-10-22T03:16:45Z")
Some more thinking, sorry about the multiple posts. I don’t think Andrew is Lash. The apparently good guy turning out to be the bad has been done, on this show. The timing doesn’t (I think) work for him to contact the hacker to get his next target. May is a trained and skilled agent, and he hasn’t even occurred to her - and weren’t there some timing issues when he was off with her? Largely, though, it just doesn’t feel right. I do think Andrew is still alive, and not because Werner had an attack of mercy. There was a lot of stuff strewn around the floor in that shop, and while I don’t doubt the good doctor might make a fight of it if he had to, especially associating with SHIELD in general and May in particular, it seems more likely that a third party had a hand to play in it. Anyone seen Deathlok lately? 😃 I’ll swing back to Banks again as being most probable. Other thoughts. I kinda doubt Jemma had a kid on TwoMoon Desert world. I’ll lay odds that there is someone (or someones) still there, that she wants to help - or destroy. How many people have been eaten by the Monolith, over the centuries? Enough that there’s a camp/city/world of survivors? Heck, maybe just that one dude from the beginning of “The Purpose In The Machine”, if time is acting funny. There’s no evidence of that, though - Jemma seems to be reporting that her timeline matches up with the gang’s from SHIELD. And that’s the last for a while, cross my heart! ---
**Author:** ![dropzone](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dropzone/32/7515_2.png) [@dropzone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dropzone)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2015, 3:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s03e04-devils-you-know/735310/16 "2015-10-22T03:29:20Z")
Liked Dwight Frye’s name. Nice time of year for a call out of the original. I like how the lab coat looks on Bobbi. I enjoy the exotic, like May and Daisy, but untold generations of Aryan selection cannot be denied, and there’s something special about a Valkyrie that makes my heart hop. ---
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2015, 4:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s03e04-devils-you-know/735310/17 "2015-10-22T04:05:47Z")
Roger that. (In every possible interpretation of the phrase!) Loved Rosaline’s eyebrow raise to Coulson’s warning about the laser finger. ---
**Author:** ![WordMan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/e8c25b/32.png) [@WordMan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WordMan)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2015, 11:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s03e04-devils-you-know/735310/18 "2015-10-22T11:07:36Z")
> [@dropzone](#): > > Liked Dwight Frye’s name. Nice time of year for a call out of the original. Help me fight my ignorance - ? > [@](#): > > I like how the lab coat looks on Bobbi. I enjoy the exotic, like May and Daisy, but untold generations of Aryan selection cannot be denied, and there’s something special about a Valkyrie that makes my heart hop. She is indeed a handsome woman 😉 Don’t know about aryan selection, but I love her credibility in action scenes and the way she registers emotions with her eyes. The fact that her character is supposed to be a good interrogator/listener works well given that. ---
**Author:** ![RikWriter](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/49beb7/32.png) [@RikWriter](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RikWriter)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2015, 11:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s03e04-devils-you-know/735310/19 "2015-10-22T11:25:57Z")
> [@Declan](#): > > I think they should kill Ward and be done with it. Seems like the show is constrained by the marvel film , and cannot move forward with story arc’s until the movies set the new canon. So after MCU cancels the mutant movie, we get a hand me down mutant story line and lateral hydra story arc’s that are not likely to really interfere with the main movies. I assume you mean Inhuman, not mutant, and Marvel did NOT cancel that movie. That was a fake rumor that Marvel already denied categorically. ---
**Author:** ![Telemark](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/telemark/32/372_2.png) [@Telemark](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Telemark)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2015, 1:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s03e04-devils-you-know/735310/20 "2015-10-22T13:24:39Z")
Missed it on broadcast, saw it last night. Agree that the cheesy cliffhanger ending takes something away from the episode. Give us something, not that. I would guess that Lash isn’t anyone we’ve met yet, but I’m pretty confident he’s not Andrew. Completely out of character for someone we have a long backstory on. He was with May when the transformation would have happened, no chance she’d ignore that, nor would she be worried about his surviving. The only possible way she’d be worried about Andrew at the store is that she’d worry he would be exposed as Lash. Hrrm, maybe there’s something to this after all. 🙂 I find the Jemma hemming and hawing boring. These people are people of action, and hiding their feelings is just creating unnecessary FUD. Get on with the story. Same with Bobbi not going out into the field. She’s a trained killer, getting tortured and shot by Ward shouldn’t keep her out of the action this long. Coulson doesn’t need to baby her. Ward is not a leader of men. He’s a lone wolf. He should lose control of the new HYDRA to Baby von Strucker - that will at least set up some tension. At least he got shot, that’s something. Hunter seemed very stingy with those bullets; why wasn’t he firing in full auto? The best thing about the show right now is the interaction between Rosalind and Coulson. Followed closely by the interactions between Mack and everyone else. [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s03e04-devils-you-know/735310.md?page=2)