# Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D S03E04: Devils You Know **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [October 21, 2015, 1:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s03e04-devils-you-know/735310 "2015-10-21T01:17:29Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 18\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2015, 1:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s03e04-devils-you-know/735310/21 "2015-10-22T13:57:09Z")
> [@Telemark](#): > > Hunter seemed very stingy with those bullets; why wasn’t he firing in full auto? Because Hunter is a professional and wanted to actually **hit** Ward, not randomly spray bullets around the room. You can’t hit shit full auto. Lash _might_ be Andrew, but I doubt it. He _can’t_ be Rosalind or any of her crew, because they just got there when Lash was on the rampage at the apartment. I didn’t catch it in-show: What was the bit with the girl in the cell and the girl in the apartment? Twins? Duo Damsel? Astral projection? On the plus side, at least they answered my question from last week about how Lash could get to the hospital without being seen. ---
**Author:** ![muldoonthief](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/muldoonthief/32/3188_2.png) [@muldoonthief](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/muldoonthief)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2015, 2:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s03e04-devils-you-know/735310/22 "2015-10-22T14:16:32Z")
> [@silenus](#): > > I didn’t catch it in-show: What was the bit with the girl in the cell and the girl in the apartment? Twins? Duo Damsel? Astral projection? They didn’t explain her in episode, but she’s Alisha, who appeared in the final 2 or 3 episodes last season. She can create real, physical, independent copies of herself, but they’re all still mentally linked. Trivia: The actress started on the show as Adrienne Palicki’s stunt double. ---
**Author:** ![WordMan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/e8c25b/32.png) [@WordMan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WordMan)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2015, 2:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s03e04-devils-you-know/735310/23 "2015-10-22T14:18:17Z")
> [@silenus](#): > > I didn’t catch it in-show: What was the bit with the girl in the cell and the girl in the apartment? Twins? Duo Damsel? Astral projection? Multi-damsel; she was featured at the end of last season, able to replicate herself, fan out, fight, etc., while still connected/one being. ---
**Author:** ![xizor](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/xizor/32/102_2.png) [@xizor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/xizor)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2015, 3:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s03e04-devils-you-know/735310/24 "2015-10-22T15:04:52Z")
The fact that there were bloody bodies on floor in the convenience store makes me think Andrew is not Lash; since Lash used a blue light pulse flash to kill rather than blunt force or stabbing. I started thinking there might be a Jemma/Lash connection, but couldn’t remember if Lash appeared before she got rescued or not. Maybe Jemma is Lash, she did start spewing anti-inhuman opinions last season, which may mean she wants to reopen the portal and bring more inhuman killers through. ---
**Author:** ![RikWriter](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/49beb7/32.png) [@RikWriter](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RikWriter)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2015, 3:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s03e04-devils-you-know/735310/25 "2015-10-22T15:17:07Z")
> [@xizor](#): > > The fact that there were bloody bodies on floor in the convenience store makes me think Andrew is not Lash; since Lash used a blue light pulse flash to kill rather than blunt force or stabbing. > > I started thinking there might be a Jemma/Lash connection, but couldn’t remember if Lash appeared before she got rescued or not. Maybe Jemma is Lash, she did start spewing anti-inhuman opinions last season, which may mean she wants to reopen the portal and bring more inhuman killers through. Maybe she needs to go back through to stop her Lash alter-ego? ---
**Author:** ![Gothic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/839c29/32.png) [@Gothic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gothic)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2015, 3:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s03e04-devils-you-know/735310/26 "2015-10-22T15:56:13Z")
Next week on Naked and Afraid… I liked the episode, great action and comedy. “I think the conspiracy nut in you had a few too many lattes this morning.” ---
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2015, 4:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s03e04-devils-you-know/735310/27 "2015-10-22T16:11:35Z")
“I had a latte…” ---
**Author:** ![Push\_You\_Down](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/push_you_down/32/9095_2.png) [@Push\_You\_Down](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Push_You_Down)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2015, 7:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s03e04-devils-you-know/735310/28 "2015-10-22T19:09:32Z")
> [@WordMan](#): > > Multi-damsel; she was featured at the end of last season, able to replicate herself, fan out, fight, etc., while still connected/one being. I thought everybody liked my “Multi Ginger Ninja” name for her. Come on guys! Let’s go with my idea. ---
**Author:** ![Telemark](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/telemark/32/372_2.png) [@Telemark](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Telemark)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2015, 7:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s03e04-devils-you-know/735310/29 "2015-10-22T19:12:39Z")
Why didn’t Lash kill Daisy in the truck when he had the chance? He must have known she was an Inhuman - he’d fought her twice now. ---
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2015, 7:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s03e04-devils-you-know/735310/30 "2015-10-22T19:15:22Z")
Either he knows her or she’s “worthy.” ---
**Author:** ![smiling\_bandit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e9a140/32.png) [@smiling\_bandit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/smiling_bandit)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2015, 10:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s03e04-devils-you-know/735310/31 "2015-10-22T22:49:55Z")
I’m somewhat dying on this show. I think they made a huge mistake with Ward in Season 2, and now they have no idea what to do with him. Ward as a straight villain is irritating and rather tedious. I liked him best when he was walking the line, either as a brutal hero or a heroic villain. And there was something worthwhile in that, as he played different sides. And it’s very easy to see that in-story Coulson, and his team, made a _huge_ mistake with Ward. They should either have turned him into a positive asset or just killed him. It’s not like Coulson is a stranger to working with traitors and murderers before.) Unfortunately, I think they also wrote themselves into a corner with this group of SHIELD people, as they apparently get to do whatever they want. I mean, evil government agency - fine. But the “good guys” are just a pack of yahoos running around doing whatever they feel like. It’s not SHIELD anymore. They can’t have any official status (not even the “unofficial” official status. Coulson is building a superpowered team of operatives to do clandestine espionage work for whatever cause he feels like. ---
**Author:** ![dropzone](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dropzone/32/7515_2.png) [@dropzone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dropzone)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2015, 11:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s03e04-devils-you-know/735310/32 "2015-10-22T23:37:11Z")
> [@WordMan](#): > > Help me fight my ignorance - ? Actor Dwight Frye played Renfield in _Dracula_, Fritz in _Frankenstein_, and had a role in _Bride of Frankenstein_ that largely stayed on the cutting-room floor. It’s his time of year. > [@](#): > > Don’t know about aryan selection… Would you prefer Indo-European? Aryan, in this context, has been dirtied by the Nazis, but I am referring to the people who swept into Europe in the early Bronze Age, bringing genes for statuesque blondes and for the appreciation of same. > [@](#): > > …but I love her credibility in action scenes and the way she registers emotions with her eyes. The fact that her character is supposed to be a good interrogator/listener works well given that. I’m really getting to like her, Hunter, and Mack as characters and actors. A spinoff, even one that had nothing to do with SHIELD and had only minor mayhem, could work. > [@Telemark](#): > > Ward is not a leader of men. He’s a lone wolf. He should lose control of the new HYDRA to Baby von Strucker - that will at least set up some tension. He’s not just a lone wolf, he’s PSYCHO lone wolf. You’re right: not a leader of men able to develop and stick a longterm plan. I’m surprised he’s held it together this long. ---
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2015, 11:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s03e04-devils-you-know/735310/33 "2015-10-22T23:47:00Z")
They have to kill Ward this season. Either that or as **Telemark** suggested above, have Hydra taken away from him and then he can operate as a loose cannon, with a grudge against both groups. Another question they have to answer is why the Inhumans feared the portal so much. It doesn’t seem like it would be a very effective weapon. Does it only snatch people with Inhuman DNA? If so, Simmons is going to be _pissed_. And how come she managed to come through months of terror on an alien world, get blasted into the center of a disintegrating monolith, and still have clean hair? ---
**Author:** ![TBG](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/c89c15/32.png) [@TBG](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TBG)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2015, 12:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s03e04-devils-you-know/735310/34 "2015-10-23T00:04:13Z")
I don’t think Lash will turn out to be Rosalind (or any female) because they generally don’t allow females to walk around with their chests fully exposed on network television like Lash does. I don’t think they’d do this, but it would be funny if he turned out to be one of the Patton Oswalds. ---
**Author:** ![dropzone](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dropzone/32/7515_2.png) [@dropzone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dropzone)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2015, 1:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s03e04-devils-you-know/735310/35 "2015-10-23T01:02:47Z")
…and the Whedons tear up all their plans for the second half of the season and begin writing furiously. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![foolsguinea](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/foolsguinea/32/14751_2.png) [@foolsguinea](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/foolsguinea)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2015, 1:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s03e04-devils-you-know/735310/36 "2015-10-23T01:10:43Z")
> [@smiling\_bandit](#): > > Unfortunately, I think they also wrote themselves into a corner with this group of SHIELD people, as they apparently get to do whatever they want. I mean, evil government agency - fine. But the “good guys” are just a pack of yahoos running around doing whatever they feel like. It’s not SHIELD anymore. They can’t have any official status (not even the “unofficial” official status. Coulson is building a superpowered team of operatives to do clandestine espionage work for whatever cause he feels like. I don’t know. Marvel have long played it pretty vague on what SHIELD even is, and on whose authority it even operates. Since bringing in the “Inhumans” (who are so far basically all what the comics sometimes call “Nuhumans”) his show, however, seems like the showrunners really, really want it to be something like the comic book _X-Factor_, with mutants popping up randomly and the heroes trying to protect them. Like, if Marvel had the X-Men rights, they’d be doing a lot of the same stories, just under the X-Men banner. Even at the beginning, there was some of this; but now it’s obvious that “Inhuman” is standing in for “mutant.” ---
**Author:** ![smiling\_bandit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e9a140/32.png) [@smiling\_bandit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/smiling_bandit)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2015, 2:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s03e04-devils-you-know/735310/37 "2015-10-23T02:01:51Z")
> [@foolsguinea](#): > > I don’t know. Marvel have long played it pretty vague on what SHIELD even is, and on whose authority it even operates. > > [snip] > > Even at the beginning, there was some of this; but now it’s obvious that “Inhuman” is standing in for “mutant.” That would be true if they were actually fighting mutants/inhumans/whatevers for the most part. But they principally seem to hang out fighting other covert agencies and Hydra. And the latter is little more than a gang of toughs with evil PR. ---
**Author:** ![Sunny\_Daze](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sunny_daze/32/438_2.png) [@Sunny\_Daze](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sunny_Daze)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2015, 7:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s03e04-devils-you-know/735310/38 "2015-10-24T07:03:01Z")
I’m leaning towards Jemma had baby and left it on the planet, although she probably would have said something sooner. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-s03e04-devils-you-know/735310.md?page=1)