# Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D Season 1 Episode 2: 0-8-4 (Spoilers) **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [October 2, 2013, 2:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-season-1-episode-2-0-8-4-spoilers/670156 "2013-10-02T02:47:28Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Cat\_Whisperer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cat_whisperer/32/4839_2.png) [@Cat\_Whisperer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cat_Whisperer)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2013, 9:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-season-1-episode-2-0-8-4-spoilers/670156/21 "2013-10-02T21:58:58Z")
> [@Fenris](#): > > \ > I’m worried that SHIELD will fall into the same trap. Too mundane. This whole second episode was about a big laser/bomb. That’s it. No Cosmic Cube, no MODOK, no Cask of Ancient Winters…just a big unstable laser.\* The whole _point_ of the show should be about the (pardon me) Marvelous things that they find…not about lasers. It needs more of a Fringe vibe with regards to each episode’s macguffin. \ Agreed. I want to see some cool shit that requires a special team, not some Peruvian guerillas. > [@MaxTheVool](#): > > I thought this was a big step down from the pilot, although still fun. \ Yeah, it was okay - I found the fighting/blowing shit up sequences too long/gratuitous (but that’s my same complaint about most modern movies, too). I think I’d give it a B- at this point - definitely room for improvement. It was mostly entertaining, but it could be so much better. ---
**Author:** ![aNewLeaf](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ac91a4/32.png) [@aNewLeaf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aNewLeaf)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2013, 10:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-season-1-episode-2-0-8-4-spoilers/670156/22 "2013-10-02T22:16:59Z")
I like FitzSimmons. No, I can’t hear what they are saying but it’s all good; I’d just nerdrage if I could hear it. Gamma rays? They’ll have to address that pretty soon. And/or someone else will [hulk out](http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/ClarkesThirdLaw). ---
**Author:** ![TBG](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/c89c15/32.png) [@TBG](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TBG)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2013, 10:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-season-1-episode-2-0-8-4-spoilers/670156/23 "2013-10-02T22:27:16Z")
I have had it with all these motherfucking fishtanks on this motherfucking plane! 😃 And to whoever was complaining about gamma radiation, yes, that’s a real world thing, but no, it doesn’t behave like it does in the real world in the Marvel Universe. Deal with it. Hell, radiation in general in the MU doesn’t behave like it does in the real world. I think the only person to ever actually get fatal radiation was Captain Marvel (I), everyone else just gets new powers or enhancements to old ones. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2013, 10:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-season-1-episode-2-0-8-4-spoilers/670156/24 "2013-10-02T22:36:20Z")
> [@Fenris](#): > > My understanding is: > > The X-Verse/Mutants (except for maybe Quicksilver and Scarlet Witch) are completely, totally off-limits. And even if they use Wanda and Pietro, they can’t use the word “Mutant” > > The Spider-Man-verse is technically open to them, but they don’t have movie rights to him, only TV rights, so it’s unlikely he’ll show up. > > I’m pretty sure the same applies to the FF-Verse (hence “Chitauri” instead of “Skrulls”). The TV rights are available, but the movie rights aren’t. > > Other than that, any other Marvel character who’s been in the Avengers, or SHIELD should be open to them. > > (note=I’m recalling something I read (on Newsarama, maybe?) so please take this with a grain of salt) My point isn’t who could theoretically be introduced but who is supposedly part of the world in which this show is set. It’s not the Marvel comic book universe where hundreds of superheroes have been around for decades and have mailing addresses and make talkshow appearances. This is a world at the dawn of the superhero era - Thor is some alien who lives in another dimension and has only appeared on Earth twice and the Hulk is some monster who wrecked NYC once and then vanished. In this world the only publicly known superhero who is active on a regular basis is Ironman. ---
**Author:** ![aNewLeaf](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ac91a4/32.png) [@aNewLeaf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aNewLeaf)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2013, 10:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-season-1-episode-2-0-8-4-spoilers/670156/25 "2013-10-02T22:46:32Z")
> [@TBG](#): > > I have had it with all these motherfucking fishtanks on this motherfucking plane! 😃 I did LOL out loud at that. But on reflection- why is the plane so fishlike? With all those extra surfaces it looks like a guppy. ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2013, 10:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-season-1-episode-2-0-8-4-spoilers/670156/26 "2013-10-02T22:49:39Z")
> [@MaxTheVool](#): > > I thought this was a big step down from the pilot, although still fun. I also thought it had some fairly large plot holes: > -wouldn’t a trained archaeologist be able to tell the difference between something that had been there for 1500 years and something that had been there since the 1950s? I got the impression that as soon as he saw it, he cleared his people out and contacted the authorities. He didn’t examine it at all. > [@](#): > > -Peruvian lady’s plan suffered from the typical comically-over-elaborate-villain plot which depends on the heros taking actions that she could not possible anticipate before everything began. Particularly galling when those actions are taken by a team which was literally only assembled yesterday which belongs to a top secret organization I don’t think anything that happened before they got on the plane was a part of her plot. When Coulson asks her when she decided to betray him, she said, “When I saw your team,” and during the gunfight at the beginning, she sees Skye and Fitz-Simmons cowering in the ruins, and shoots a look of disbelief at Coulson. I don’t think she planned anything until she was already on the plane and realized that amount of access Coulson was giving her. Granted, I don’t know why her troops would be carrying around a can of knock-out gas. Maybe one of them swiped it from the labs when no one was looking? > [@](#): > > -And the whole thing depended on everyone being incompetent. First the SHIELD people give these Peruvians who they’ve never met before free run of their top secret plane, then the Peruvians, who got the drop on and overpowered the SHIELD agents, tie them up in as insecure and unmonitored fashion as humanly possible Well, Coulson and the Comandante had met before. That was kind of a major plot element. I’d expect Coulson to grant access to the plane based on his level of trust in the commanding officer, not his trust in each individual soldier. I agree that between this episode and the pilot, Coulson is weirdly trusting for a top level secret agent. Also, the location was pretty secure. They were tied up, locked away from the rest of the ship, and guarded. The window between Mai dislocating her wrist, and the guard coming back to check on them was apparently small enough that she didn’t have time to reset it before she had to take him out. And even then, they were only able to get out of the labs because they’d left their duffle bag full of remote control robots up in the cabin. ---
**Author:** ![aNewLeaf](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ac91a4/32.png) [@aNewLeaf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aNewLeaf)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2013, 10:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-season-1-episode-2-0-8-4-spoilers/670156/27 "2013-10-02T22:51:43Z")
> [@](#): > > Coulson is weirdly trusting for a top level secret agent. All part of his afterlife crisis. ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2013, 11:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-season-1-episode-2-0-8-4-spoilers/670156/28 "2013-10-02T23:06:41Z")
Also, I’m predicting that Rising Tide is going to turn out to be a front for Hydra. ---
**Author:** ![Fenris](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fenris/32/498_2.png) [@Fenris](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fenris)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2013, 11:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-season-1-episode-2-0-8-4-spoilers/670156/29 "2013-10-02T23:16:47Z")
I will be horribly disappointed if they use Hydra but don’t do that creepy-ass Hydra Oath thing where they stand in single file and hold their arms out, chanting… [Like this pic](http://www.comics101.com/archives/comics101/images/2004/mar3/hailhydra.jpg) They don’t have to wear the uniforms, they don’t have to repeat the entire chant (just “Hail Hydra” would be fine), but they gotta do the arm thing, dammit. Also? If they have Hydra, they have AIM\* I want a damn MODOK. If Joss can do creepy morticians in grey sparkly makeup who float and have creepy grins and turn that dumbass concept into one of the spookiest hours of TV _ever_, he can do a MODOK right. \*AIM, Secret Empire, Them and several others were all Hydra splinter groups ---
**Author:** ![aNewLeaf](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ac91a4/32.png) [@aNewLeaf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aNewLeaf)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2013, 11:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-season-1-episode-2-0-8-4-spoilers/670156/30 "2013-10-02T23:23:10Z")
> [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > In this world the only publicly known superhero who is active on a regular basis is Ironman. I’m hoping that future cameos will let us see the big names we know, in little ways. [Thor pops in to drop off a charged cellphone](http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/DeusExMachina)- but he’s got to go, no time to help with the actual Problem of the Week. ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2013, 11:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-season-1-episode-2-0-8-4-spoilers/670156/31 "2013-10-02T23:31:50Z")
> [@Fenris](#): > > I will be horribly disappointed if they use Hydra but don’t do that creepy-ass Hydra Oath thing where they stand in single file and hold their arms out, chanting… > > [Like this pic](http://www.comics101.com/archives/comics101/images/2004/mar3/hailhydra.jpg) That’s going to be hard to pull off without coming across like [this](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jbcyiFt5VEs). ---
**Author:** ![Moonlitherial](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/4bbf92/32.png) [@Moonlitherial](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Moonlitherial)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2013, 11:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-season-1-episode-2-0-8-4-spoilers/670156/32 "2013-10-02T23:35:36Z")
You say that like it’s a bad thing. _dances_ ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2013, 11:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-season-1-episode-2-0-8-4-spoilers/670156/33 "2013-10-02T23:42:28Z")
Actually, now I’m kind of grooving on the idea that part of the training to join a nihilistic terrorist death cult involves being shouted at by Dom DeLuise’s character from _Blazing Saddles_. ---
**Author:** ![aNewLeaf](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ac91a4/32.png) [@aNewLeaf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aNewLeaf)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2013, 11:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-season-1-episode-2-0-8-4-spoilers/670156/34 "2013-10-02T23:55:02Z")
And what’s with explosive decompression? Don’t writers watch Mythbusters? ---
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2013, 1:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-season-1-episode-2-0-8-4-spoilers/670156/35 "2013-10-03T01:01:09Z")
Didn’t Mythbusters deal with a small hole? The hole blown in the side of the Bus was at least 6 feet in diameter. ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2013, 1:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-season-1-episode-2-0-8-4-spoilers/670156/36 "2013-10-03T01:11:37Z")
> [@silenus](#): > > Didn’t Mythbusters deal with a small hole? The hole blown in the side of the Bus was at least 6 feet in diameter. The size of the hole doesn’t matter. Once the pressure is equalized between the cabin and the outside atmosphere, you’re not going to get a continuous torrent of air rushing out the hole. And it equalizes really, really fast: that’s why they call it _explosive_ decompression. After that, any wind would be coming in through the hole, not out of it. ---
**Author:** ![tim314](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tim314/32/3468_2.png) [@tim314](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tim314)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2013, 1:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-season-1-episode-2-0-8-4-spoilers/670156/37 "2013-10-03T01:27:08Z")
> [@Fenris](#): > > I’m getting bored with “Tesseracts” and “Gamma Radiation”. You have so many other elements of the Marvel Universe to play with that…c’mon guys…give us more than that. > [@](#): > > Too mundane. This whole second episode was about a big laser/bomb. That’s it. No Cosmic Cube, no MODOK, no Cask of Ancient Winters…just a big unstable laser.\* The whole point of the show should be about the (pardon me) Marvelous things that they find…not about lasers. It needs more of a Fringe vibe with regards to each episode’s macguffin. > [@Cat Whisperer](#): > > Agreed. I want to see some cool shit that requires a special team, not some Peruvian guerillas. I agree 100%. I had a little rant in the other thread about the lack of superheroes, but really I think you two have it right. A show about secret agents dealing with weird comic-book stuff is cool. Secret agents fighting some generic army guys over a big ray-gun? Meh. That said, it’s just the second episode. Maybe they didn’t want to throw too much at us while we’re still getting to know the characters. ---
**Author:** ![Cat\_Whisperer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cat_whisperer/32/4839_2.png) [@Cat\_Whisperer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cat_Whisperer)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2013, 1:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-season-1-episode-2-0-8-4-spoilers/670156/38 "2013-10-03T01:40:34Z")
> [@Moonlitherial](#): > > You say that like it’s a bad thing. > > _dances_ Marvel’s Agents of G.L.E.E. !!! I have a feeling Skye is not betraying Shield - I think she’s planning to spy on Rising Tide, maybe for herself, maybe for Shield - I don’t think she’s completely bough in yet. ---
**Author:** ![GuanoLad](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guanolad/32/42_2.png) [@GuanoLad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GuanoLad)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2013, 2:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-season-1-episode-2-0-8-4-spoilers/670156/39 "2013-10-03T02:04:26Z")
> [@tim314](#): > > A show about secret agents dealing with weird comic-book stuff is cool. Secret agents fighting some generic army guys over a big ray-gun? Meh. I don’t understand. Isn’t a Peruvian Army guarding an ancient space weapon “weird comic book stuff”? ---
**Author:** ![epbrown01](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7ba0ec/32.png) [@epbrown01](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/epbrown01)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2013, 2:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-season-1-episode-2-0-8-4-spoilers/670156/40 "2013-10-03T02:56:39Z")
> [@Cat\_Whisperer](#): > > Marvel’s Agents of G.L.E.E. !!! > > I have a feeling Skye is not betraying Shield - I think she’s planning to spy on Rising Tide, maybe for herself, maybe for Shield - I don’t think she’s completely bough in yet. I think she’ll go thru the typical undercover angst - discovering that evil SHIELD is actually comprised of humans trying to do some good; it seems clear Coulson is hoping she’ll learn why they cover-up and quarantine the weird stuff that the Rising Tide naively things everyone should know about. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-season-1-episode-2-0-8-4-spoilers/670156.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-season-1-episode-2-0-8-4-spoilers/670156.md?page=3)