# Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D Season 1 Episode 2: 0-8-4 (Spoilers) **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [October 2, 2013, 2:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-season-1-episode-2-0-8-4-spoilers/670156 "2013-10-02T02:47:28Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Grumman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/43a26b/32.png) [@Grumman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Grumman)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2013, 5:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-season-1-episode-2-0-8-4-spoilers/670156/41 "2013-10-03T05:35:57Z")
> [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > My point isn’t who could theoretically be introduced but who is supposedly part of the world in which this show is set. It’s not the Marvel comic book universe where hundreds of superheroes have been around for decades and have mailing addresses and make talkshow appearances. This is a world at the dawn of the superhero era - Thor is some alien who lives in another dimension and has only appeared on Earth twice and the Hulk is some monster who wrecked NYC once and then vanished. In this world the only publicly known superhero who is active on a regular basis is Ironman. Then I hope they add some. I want this to be a series where in season two they come back to find Mike - with his new identity - has joined up with a martial artist who started a heroing for profit business. I don’t want it to be a generic weird tech series with a gamma-tesseract-Chitauri paint job. ---
**Author:** ![aNewLeaf](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ac91a4/32.png) [@aNewLeaf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aNewLeaf)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2013, 9:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-season-1-episode-2-0-8-4-spoilers/670156/42 "2013-10-03T09:38:07Z")
> [@GuanoLad](#): > > I don’t understand. Isn’t a Peruvian Army guarding an ancient space weapon “weird comic book stuff”? WWII Germany is now ancient space? ---
**Author:** ![GuanoLad](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guanolad/32/42_2.png) [@GuanoLad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GuanoLad)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2013, 10:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-season-1-episode-2-0-8-4-spoilers/670156/43 "2013-10-03T10:13:16Z")
> [@aNewLeaf](#): > > WWII Germany is now ancient space? Isn’t the power source, the Tesseract, originally from space? I don’t pay too close attention to that stuff. ---
**Author:** ![aNewLeaf](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ac91a4/32.png) [@aNewLeaf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aNewLeaf)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2013, 11:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-season-1-episode-2-0-8-4-spoilers/670156/44 "2013-10-03T11:13:37Z")
Uh… in the movie, Howard Stark found it and they assumed it was from space? I think? I dunno, is the honest answer. Device in the TV episode was made in Germany, apparently. But I’ve got another Coulson Hypothesis: He actually is dead, or dying. The whole series takes place in eight seconds after he is stabbed. The finale episode will end with Coulson asking Fury to save the cards- “They’re vintage”. ---
**Author:** ![muldoonthief](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/muldoonthief/32/3188_2.png) [@muldoonthief](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/muldoonthief)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2013, 11:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-season-1-episode-2-0-8-4-spoilers/670156/45 "2013-10-03T11:50:26Z")
In the beginning of “Captain America: The First Avenger” the Nazis/Hydra found the tesseract in Norway, where it had been hidden for hundreds of years. The strong implication was that the Asgardians had left it behind after their war on Earth with the Frost Giants, as described in the beginning of “Thor”. At the end of “Captain America”, Stark found it in the ocean while they were searching for Steve Rogers. ETA: I’m not certain of this, but I think in “The Avengers”, Thor said he was taking the tesseract “back” to Asgard, confirming that’s where it came from originally (or at least its location previous to Earth). ---
**Author:** ![Prof.Pepperwinkle](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/prof.pepperwinkle/32/13627_2.png) [@Prof.Pepperwinkle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Prof.Pepperwinkle)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2013, 12:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-season-1-episode-2-0-8-4-spoilers/670156/46 "2013-10-03T12:36:47Z")
Yes, Thor took it back to Asgard. Fury’s superiors tried to chew him out about losing it, but Fury said he didn’t make the decision, he just didn’t argue with the god who did. ---
**Author:** ![C\_K\_Dexter\_Haven](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/b2d939/32.png) [@C\_K\_Dexter\_Haven](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/C_K_Dexter_Haven)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2013, 1:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-season-1-episode-2-0-8-4-spoilers/670156/47 "2013-10-03T13:14:55Z")
To those who say this is based in the Marvel universe and so has so many things to draw on: Yes, but. It’s a TV series, and if it’s typical Whedon, there will be a seasonal story, with a “big bad” through each season. If they bring in too much stuff from the Marvel U, they’ll lose all the people who can’t follow it (like me) because we’re not that familiar with the Marvel U. ---
**Author:** ![Prof.Pepperwinkle](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/prof.pepperwinkle/32/13627_2.png) [@Prof.Pepperwinkle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Prof.Pepperwinkle)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2013, 1:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-season-1-episode-2-0-8-4-spoilers/670156/48 "2013-10-03T13:31:20Z")
It’s more like “a” Marvel Universe rather than “the” Marvel Universe. In the comics they’ve got 'em numbered. The usual one is universe 616. I do not recall the number of the “Ultimate” universe. This one’s another universe entirely. (Oh, and “666” is already taken.) ---
**Author:** ![Just\_Ed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/e19b73/32.png) [@Just\_Ed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Just_Ed)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2013, 1:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-season-1-episode-2-0-8-4-spoilers/670156/49 "2013-10-03T13:52:39Z")
> [@C\_K\_Dexter\_Haven](#): > > If they bring in too much stuff from the Marvel U, they’ll lose all the people who can’t follow it (like me) because we’re not that familiar with the Marvel U. Just from this thread I can see it’s a tough row to hoe, because Whedon has to find a way to satisfy the comics fans as well as the movie fans. I’m with Dex; I’ve never read the books, but have seen the movies, and am happy following along with the mythology as presented there. I guess it remains to be seen if they can bring in enough inside references (that don’t distract from the meat of the plot) or winking asides to the book fans while still remaining coherent enough for the movie fans. > [@Prof.Pepperwinkle](#): > > It’s more like “a” Marvel Universe rather than “the” Marvel Universe. In the comics they’ve got 'em numbered. The usual one is universe 616. I do not recall the number of the “Ultimate” universe. This one’s another universe entirely. (Oh, and “666” is already taken.) Yeah, see - no offense, but this is exactly the kind of thing movie fans in general don’t care about and would only result in confusion if used as a major plot point in the series. ---
**Author:** ![Prof.Pepperwinkle](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/prof.pepperwinkle/32/13627_2.png) [@Prof.Pepperwinkle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Prof.Pepperwinkle)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2013, 1:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-season-1-episode-2-0-8-4-spoilers/670156/50 "2013-10-03T13:56:16Z")
Oh, I agree, it shouldn’t be used as a plot point in the series. It just means that while Whedon has all of Marvel’s comics and characters to choose from (with the exception of those characters owned/licensed elsewhere), he only needs to have continuity in his own “universe”. And so far he’s done very well with that. ---
**Author:** ![Just\_Ed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/e19b73/32.png) [@Just\_Ed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Just_Ed)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2013, 2:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-season-1-episode-2-0-8-4-spoilers/670156/51 "2013-10-03T14:05:16Z")
> [@Prof.Pepperwinkle](#): > > Oh, I agree, it shouldn’t be used as a plot point in the series. It just means that while Whedon has all of Marvel’s comics and characters to choose from (with the exception of those characters owned/licensed elsewhere), he only needs to have continuity in his own “universe”. And so far he’s done very well with that. Ah, I see. And yes, I agree continuity with the movie-verse has been handled well so far. Let’s hope they can maintain that thread while keeping all of us entertained. ---
**Author:** ![yellowjacketcoder](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/4bbf92/32.png) [@yellowjacketcoder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/yellowjacketcoder)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2013, 2:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-season-1-episode-2-0-8-4-spoilers/670156/52 "2013-10-03T14:28:53Z")
I have to agree with the detractors in this thread, unfortunately. I really wanted to like a comic-book series! But it’s all so generic and telegraphed. The team isn’t getting along? Before the end of the episode, some event will bring them together. Agent Good Looking doesn’t trust Sexy Hacker? By the end of the episode, he’ll think she should be a full member. Random dudes are invited onto the plane? By the end of the episode, they’ll try to take it over. Find a macguffin with world changing possibilities? By the end of the episode, something will happen to render it irrelevant to the plot. There just aren’t any real twists. I think it could be pulled off if there was a better set of actors, but I feel like the director decisions were “hmm, we’ll get clark and ming-na, then a huge budget for the plane, a huge budget for the CGI, a huge budget for some camoes, a huge budget for some explosions, and… what, we’re out of money? Well, just hire some D-listers to fill out the cast”. FitzSimmons are really annoying. Sexy Hacker is really annoying. Agent Good Looking is dumb and annoying. I wish it had more there - I’d like to know what really happened to Coulson, but I don’t want to slog through a season of eyerolls to find out. I don’t think I’m setting the DVR for next week. ---
**Author:** ![Dr\_Doom](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/0ea827/32.png) [@Dr\_Doom](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dr_Doom)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2013, 3:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-season-1-episode-2-0-8-4-spoilers/670156/53 "2013-10-03T15:05:04Z")
Missed this episode due to PVR failure. Well, from the helpful commentary in this thread seems like I didn’t miss much. I really want to like this series, but I’m not sure if I can brook the annoying characters for the main payoff I am interested in from it – **Avengers 2: Age of Ultron** _Tie-In._ Because as far as I’m concerned, that is the primary function of this series. The TV show will provide nods to the various elements of the pertinent films (gamma radiation, Tesseract, Chitauri etc.), and then **Age of Ultron** will do vice versa regarding **Agents of Shield**. Fingers crossed. ---
**Author:** ![Sailboat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sailboat/32/461_2.png) [@Sailboat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sailboat)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2013, 3:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-season-1-episode-2-0-8-4-spoilers/670156/54 "2013-10-03T15:19:36Z")
> [@pricciar](#): > > Picking up from the end of last episode the group travels to an ancient site in Peru to investigate a strange object. While there they find an old friend of Coulson’s and get drawn in to a battle between her rebellion forces and the Peruvian army. I admit I may be confused on this point, but I thought Coulson’s friend the Commandante was with the Peruvian Army/government and the guys shooting at them were the rebels. You have it the other way around. Which is correct? ---
**Author:** ![Moonlitherial](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/4bbf92/32.png) [@Moonlitherial](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Moonlitherial)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2013, 3:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-season-1-episode-2-0-8-4-spoilers/670156/55 "2013-10-03T15:21:49Z")
> [@Sailboat](#): > > I admit I may be confused on this point, but I thought Coulson’s friend the Commandante was with the Peruvian Army/government and the guys shooting at them were the rebels. You have it the other way around. Which is correct? **Sailboat** you are correct, **pricciar** has it backwards. ---
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2013, 3:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-season-1-episode-2-0-8-4-spoilers/670156/56 "2013-10-03T15:48:41Z")
She is also a patriot who wanted the McGuffin for the greater glory of Peru. Not just some random power-hungry amateur. ---
**Author:** ![FlyingDragonFan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/c89c15/32.png) [@FlyingDragonFan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FlyingDragonFan)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2013, 3:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-season-1-episode-2-0-8-4-spoilers/670156/57 "2013-10-03T15:51:16Z")
Wait, there was a Fury cameo? How’d I miss that?! Where was it? ---
**Author:** ![Prof.Pepperwinkle](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/prof.pepperwinkle/32/13627_2.png) [@Prof.Pepperwinkle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Prof.Pepperwinkle)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2013, 3:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-season-1-episode-2-0-8-4-spoilers/670156/58 "2013-10-03T15:56:55Z")
> [@FlyingDragonFan](#): > > Wait, there was a Fury cameo? How’d I miss that?! Where was it? In grand superhero movie tradition (these days), it was at the very, very end, after the credits. ---
**Author:** ![FlyingDragonFan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/c89c15/32.png) [@FlyingDragonFan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FlyingDragonFan)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2013, 4:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-season-1-episode-2-0-8-4-spoilers/670156/59 "2013-10-03T16:04:47Z")
> [@Prof.Pepperwinkle](#): > > In grand superhero movie tradition (these days), it was at the very, very end, after the credits. Figures. Glad I still have it DVR’d. ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2013, 4:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-season-1-episode-2-0-8-4-spoilers/670156/60 "2013-10-03T16:14:27Z")
Coulson needs to stop smirking. The rest of the cast is rather boring, though the girl nerd is quite attractive. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-season-1-episode-2-0-8-4-spoilers/670156.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-season-1-episode-2-0-8-4-spoilers/670156.md?page=4)