# Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. Thread for those who have seen Captain America: The Winter Soldier **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [April 6, 2014, 11:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-thread-for-those-who-have-seen-captain-america-the-winter-soldier/685466 "2014-04-06T11:23:40Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 15\ **Page:** 6
**Author:** ![Skammer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skammer/32/143_2.png) [@Skammer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skammer)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2014, 8:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-thread-for-those-who-have-seen-captain-america-the-winter-soldier/685466/101 "2014-04-11T20:31:25Z")
I re-watched the ep last night looking for clues as to whether Ward is really Hydra or a triple agent. First, it’s clear that Garrett thinks Ward is with Hydra - with hindsight you can see Garrett manipulating Coulson to get Ward out of the brig, and you can see it when he tells Ward that Hand is the Clairvoyant - he practically says “_Right?_” with his eyes. So Ward has pretended to be Hydra for some time - probably since he reported to Garrett. But, the good guys didn’t even know Hydra still _existed_ until the “Out of the Shadows” message. So how could Ward have already been planted? Also, after the first ep I was thinking that Ward may have only wounded Hand for show. But I realized on second watching that after shooting her in the chest, he walks over and puts two more bullets in her. Clearly she is most sincerely dead. I don’t think that Ward, Coulson or Hand would have agreed to going that far to establish fake credibility with Hydra. So I’m convinced Ward really is a traitor - except, wow, what a ballsy thing for Whedon/the show to do. I can’t quite get my head around it. ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2014, 8:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-thread-for-those-who-have-seen-captain-america-the-winter-soldier/685466/102 "2014-04-11T20:58:54Z")
My money is on Ward being a full-on Hydra agent, but his story for the next season (or two) is him gradually turning against Hydra because of his feelings for Skye. The only thing Joss Whedon loves as much as heartbreak is a redemption arc. ---
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2014, 9:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-thread-for-those-who-have-seen-captain-america-the-winter-soldier/685466/103 "2014-04-11T21:09:20Z")
You have that backwards. ---
**Author:** ![Lasciel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/e79b87/32.png) [@Lasciel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lasciel)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2014, 9:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-thread-for-those-who-have-seen-captain-america-the-winter-soldier/685466/104 "2014-04-11T21:22:02Z")
Actually they’re usually combined in some impossible infinity loop. ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2014, 10:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-thread-for-those-who-have-seen-captain-america-the-winter-soldier/685466/105 "2014-04-11T22:46:22Z")
> [@silenus](#): > > You have that backwards. The only thing Joss loves as much as a redemption arc is heartbreak? I think that means the same thing. ---
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2014, 11:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-thread-for-those-who-have-seen-captain-america-the-winter-soldier/685466/106 "2014-04-11T23:11:06Z")
Once you are redeemed you die? Stay ambiguous, Natasha! Turn good real soon, Ward. ---
**Author:** ![pricciar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/f4b2a3/32.png) [@pricciar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pricciar)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2014, 2:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-thread-for-those-who-have-seen-captain-america-the-winter-soldier/685466/107 "2014-04-12T02:29:07Z")
> [@Miller](#): > > My money is on Ward being a full-on Hydra agent, but his story for the next season (or two) is him gradually turning against Hydra because of his feelings for Skye. > > The only thing Joss Whedon loves as much as heartbreak is a redemption arc. That’s exactly what I was thinking. And, I think it would make for an especially interesting story. (Well, one of the many things I was thinking, but I’m leaning that way after I watched the episode again.) I rewatched the episode yesterday with the assumption that Ward is bad, and they aren’t doing a triple switch. That final scene turns from a tortured soul who regrets killing, to a total bad ass who is going to be a Big Bad worth rooting against as the season comes to a close. Man. The quality of this show ramped up quickly. And, I’m someone who genuinely liked it from the beginning! I also wonder about the significance of Coulson’s watching Ward go off. The first time I watched the episode I was sure he was going to run after him and shoot him. (Ward just argued too vociferously to go along.) Is that why he was watching? As to Hand’s weird decision to shoot. My only explanation was that she was extra angry about all of the agents killed. I don’t mind that so much. My bigger complaint is her reaction to the shooting. She’s a trained SHIELD operative. Shouldn’t she have been able to do SOMETHING in the face of this? And, yeah, watching it the first time I said “Oh. Chest wound. She’s going to live. No problem.” And, then Ward went over and shot a couple of more times. ---
**Author:** ![El\_Kabong](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/el_kabong/32/496_2.png) [@El\_Kabong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/El_Kabong)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2014, 3:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-thread-for-those-who-have-seen-captain-america-the-winter-soldier/685466/108 "2014-04-12T03:37:50Z")
> [@pricciar](#): > > As to Hand’s weird decision to shoot. My only explanation was that she was extra angry about all of the agents killed. I don’t mind that so much. My bigger complaint is her reaction to the shooting. She’s a trained SHIELD operative. Shouldn’t she have been able to do SOMETHING in the face of this? And, yeah, watching it the first time I said “Oh. Chest wound. She’s going to live. No problem.” And, then Ward went over and shot a couple of more times. As the scene unfolded, I was thinking that Hand egging Ward on was another loyalty test, except for the obvious point that she and the uniformed guards should have been just a tad quicker on the trigger. As for the triple tap, that seemed like the showrunners telegraphing to the audience: " Whichever direction you think this is going, this ain’t some pre-arranged deal to fake out Garrett." Er, unless it is. ---
**Author:** ![Ibn\_Warraq](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/e19b73/32.png) [@Ibn\_Warraq](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ibn_Warraq)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2014, 4:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-thread-for-those-who-have-seen-captain-america-the-winter-soldier/685466/109 "2014-04-12T04:19:31Z")
> [@Miller](#): > > The only thing Joss loves as much as a redemption arc is heartbreak? > > I think that means the same thing. Remember though it’s his brother and sister-in-law in charge of the show.😉 ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2014, 4:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-thread-for-those-who-have-seen-captain-america-the-winter-soldier/685466/110 "2014-04-12T04:56:22Z")
> [@silenus](#): > > …Stay ambiguous, Natasha!.. Maybe I like ambiguous characters, and maybe I don’t. ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2014, 10:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-thread-for-those-who-have-seen-captain-america-the-winter-soldier/685466/111 "2014-04-12T10:53:32Z")
> [@DrDeth](#): > > Really? Mind you, tastes differ sure, and she’s no dog by any means, but so gorgeous and sexy that she makes a hardened agent forget his training? It’s already established that this agent can’t keep it in his pants. And likes them Asian. > [@](#): > > I’d rate her “hotter than usual Girl next door type”. But causing a Tex Avery cartoon Wolf reaction? Come on. She is pretty damn attractive. Sexy isn’t the right word (although she is that), just attractive. Likeable. Nice. ---
**Author:** ![Siam\_Sam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/d78d45/32.png) [@Siam\_Sam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Siam_Sam)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2014, 3:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-thread-for-those-who-have-seen-captain-america-the-winter-soldier/685466/112 "2014-04-12T15:45:03Z")
The wife and I saw the movie today and enjoyed it. I just wanted to point out that at the end, when Nick Fury is grabbing some documents out of that attache case or whatever it was, presumably for use on his travels, the one on top was clearly a Thai work permit for foreigners. That got a chuckle out of the audience here in Bangkok. I’m guessing he’ll be an English teacher cum bar bum in Pattaya. That’s the place for him to be anyway if he wants to keep tabs on half the world’s bad guys. ---
**Author:** ![Lightray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lightray/32/391_2.png) [@Lightray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lightray)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2014, 3:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-thread-for-those-who-have-seen-captain-america-the-winter-soldier/685466/113 "2014-04-12T15:50:58Z")
Steve’s “To Do” list was customized by country/region. I wouldn’t be surprised if Fury’s paperwork was, too. ---
**Author:** ![Siam\_Sam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/d78d45/32.png) [@Siam\_Sam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Siam_Sam)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2014, 3:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-thread-for-those-who-have-seen-captain-america-the-winter-soldier/685466/114 "2014-04-12T15:57:50Z")
> [@Siam\_Sam](#): > > The wife and I saw the movie today and enjoyed it. I just wanted to point out that at the end, when Nick Fury is grabbing some documents out of that attache case or whatever it was, presumably for use on his travels, the one on top was clearly a Thai work permit for foreigners. That got a chuckle out of the audience here in Bangkok. I’m guessing he’ll be an English teacher cum bar bum in Pattaya. That’s the place for him to be anyway if he wants to keep tabs on half the world’s bad guys. > [@Lightray](#): > > Steve’s “To Do” list was customized by country/region. I wouldn’t be surprised if Fury’s paperwork was, too. The wife and I both also noticed “Thai food” written on that list. Another chuckle but not sure if the rest of the audience caught that. ---
**Author:** ![AK84](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/85e7bf/32.png) [@AK84](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AK84)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2014, 6:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-thread-for-those-who-have-seen-captain-america-the-winter-soldier/685466/115 "2014-04-20T18:45:31Z")
Ok so what is the timeline going into this weeks episode. And who knows for sure about Fury? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-thread-for-those-who-have-seen-captain-america-the-winter-soldier/685466.md?page=5)