# Agents of SHIELD - S02E11 - Aftershocks (open spoilers) **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [March 4, 2015, 1:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-shield-s02e11-aftershocks-open-spoilers/714192 "2015-03-04T13:03:53Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![El\_Kabong](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/el_kabong/32/496_2.png) [@El\_Kabong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/El_Kabong)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2015, 6:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-shield-s02e11-aftershocks-open-spoilers/714192/21 "2015-03-04T18:29:26Z")
Enjoyed the ploy to get the various Hydra heads to turn against each other. Very Dash Hammett, or maybe Godfather. Of course, two more will take the place of each assassinated operative, so… There was so much anger expressed amongst the S.H.I.E.L.D characters that I was wondering if some plot point was being made about the underground city having messed with their minds, but apparently not. I didn’t really get why, after showing no compunctions about savaging several hapless mooks for no particular reason earlier, Raina let Cal live. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2015, 6:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-shield-s02e11-aftershocks-open-spoilers/714192/22 "2015-03-04T18:29:31Z")
> [@Telemark](#): > > Love the alliance between Fitz and Skye. I think Simmon’s attitude change came a bit out of left field, but I’m willing to let it go. Obviously they won’t be able to keep this quiet for long, and lots of distrust when it comes to light. > > T I saw the train a comin with Skye being made the star of the show, the special snowflake, early on, which is a shame since I despise the character. But Whedon has always been a fan of waif-fu, so that was inevitable.☹ ---
**Author:** ![Push\_You\_Down](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/push_you_down/32/9095_2.png) [@Push\_You\_Down](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Push_You_Down)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2015, 6:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-shield-s02e11-aftershocks-open-spoilers/714192/23 "2015-03-04T18:33:53Z")
> [@muldoonthief](#): > > Yeah, they’ll be fitting Simmons for her SS uniform shortly. I thought it was interesting that Fitz is officially the first person in the MCU to say the word Inhuman. I also liked that Terrigenesis was used in the first few minutes of the episode. I liked the episode especially because I think they are handling the team’s varied responses to what happened to Skye and Tryp. I don’t like that we’re already into a secrets for no (or little reason). ---
**Author:** ![levdrakon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/49beb7/32.png) [@levdrakon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/levdrakon)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2015, 6:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-shield-s02e11-aftershocks-open-spoilers/714192/24 "2015-03-04T18:41:54Z")
> [@El\_Kabong](#): > > I didn’t really get why, after showing no compunctions about savaging several hapless mooks for no particular reason earlier, Raina let Cal live. Because Cal is no hapless mook. It appears his strength may be a bit superhuman, but I guess not Inhuman. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2015, 6:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-shield-s02e11-aftershocks-open-spoilers/714192/25 "2015-03-04T18:46:35Z")
> [@levdrakon](#): > > Because Cal is no hapless mook. It appears his strength may be a bit superhuman, but I guess not Inhuman. He seems to have a \*little \*Hulk thing going there, if you make him mad he gets pretty damn strong. I even thought I saw his eyes go green? ---
**Author:** ![Push\_You\_Down](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/push_you_down/32/9095_2.png) [@Push\_You\_Down](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Push_You_Down)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2015, 6:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-shield-s02e11-aftershocks-open-spoilers/714192/26 "2015-03-04T18:50:06Z")
> [@DrDeth](#): > > He seems to have a \*little \*Hulk thing going there, if you make him mad he gets pretty damn strong. I even thought I saw his eyes go green? They were definitely using green color motifs when he was introduced. The character in the comics he’s based on wears green, but yeah you can’t refer to getting angry and super-strength and use green lighting without making people think you are referencing the Hulk in some way. ---
**Author:** ![levdrakon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/49beb7/32.png) [@levdrakon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/levdrakon)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2015, 6:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-shield-s02e11-aftershocks-open-spoilers/714192/27 "2015-03-04T18:54:56Z")
I missed the green theme. It’s fun to read the thread, then re-watch for all the little details I missed. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2015, 6:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-shield-s02e11-aftershocks-open-spoilers/714192/28 "2015-03-04T18:55:55Z")
> [@Push\_You\_Down](#): > > They were definitely using green color motifs when he was introduced. The character in the comics he’s based on wears green, but yeah you can’t refer to getting angry and super-strength and use green lighting without making people think you are referencing the Hulk in some way. Ah yes, I found he may be Mister Hyde. > **[Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde (character)](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mister_Hyde_(comics))** > > Dr. Henry Jekyll and his alter ego, Mr. Edward Hyde, is the central character of Robert Louis Stevenson's 1886 novella Strange Case of Dr Jekyll and Mr Hyde. In the story, he is a good friend of main protagonist Gabriel John Utterson. > Living in Soho in the West End of London, Jekyll is a kind and respected English doctor struggling with repressed evil urges. As a potential solution, he develops a serum that he believes will effectively compartmentalize his dark side. Instead, Jekyll transfor... ---
**Author:** ![Declan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ecae2f/32.png) [@Declan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Declan)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2015, 11:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-shield-s02e11-aftershocks-open-spoilers/714192/29 "2015-03-04T23:03:26Z")
> [@Telemark](#): > > Trying to figure out the subplot with Mack and Bobbi, love the toy Lola is being used for spying. That’s working on Coulson’s weaknesses. I still think this has something to do with saving Lucy Lawless, but I could be completely off base on that. > > Hydra comes off pretty lame in this episode. Solid episode, the interweaving of different threads in the same episode, is why I found Agent Carter wanting. Total decapitation of Hydra, obviously they wanted the hydra thread out of the way to concentrate on the inhuman angle and Adama’s entrance. I was under the impression that Cap 3 civil war was supposed to be intertwined with the series, one would take direction from the events of the other. Had me looking cross eyed at the decapitation scene, I expect sometime that hydra will be reconstitued, leadership wise, but the shenanigans of Bobby and Mac, with the tool box, have me wondering if thats the lead in to civil war. Declan ---
**Author:** ![Push\_You\_Down](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/push_you_down/32/9095_2.png) [@Push\_You\_Down](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Push_You_Down)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2015, 11:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-shield-s02e11-aftershocks-open-spoilers/714192/30 "2015-03-04T23:17:25Z")
> [@Declan](#): > > I was under the impression that Cap 3 civil war was supposed to be intertwined with the series, one would take direction from the events of the other. Had me looking cross eyed at the decapitation scene, I expect sometime that hydra will be reconstitued, leadership wise, but the shenanigans of Bobby and Mac, with the tool box, have me wondering if thats the lead in to civil war. > > Declan Cap 3 is still aways away. We’d be well into or even over Season 3 of AoS at that point. ---
**Author:** ![Alessan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alessan/32/465_2.png) [@Alessan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alessan)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2015, 11:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-shield-s02e11-aftershocks-open-spoilers/714192/31 "2015-03-04T23:37:23Z")
I suspect Bobbi and Mac’s secret has something to do with Stark and Ultron, and that it’ll be the show’s buildup for _Avengers 2_, just like they did for _Winter Soldier_ last year. ---
**Author:** ![Lightray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lightray/32/391_2.png) [@Lightray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lightray)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2015, 12:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-shield-s02e11-aftershocks-open-spoilers/714192/32 "2015-03-05T00:21:38Z")
The mention of Baron Strucker was probably the start of _Avengers 2_ buildup, since he’s already confirmed to be in it. It occurs to me that there’s a No-Prize waiting to be claimed from this episode: Coulson said it was okay for Gemma to come back because the had enough men in the field to look for Raina – _but he implanted a tracking device into Raina not too long ago_. It’s should’ve been a ten-second phone call “Oh yeah, she’s over on the highway; go pick her up.” ---
**Author:** ![levdrakon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/49beb7/32.png) [@levdrakon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/levdrakon)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2015, 12:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-shield-s02e11-aftershocks-open-spoilers/714192/33 "2015-03-05T00:23:22Z")
> [@Declan](#): > > Total decapitation of Hydra, obviously they wanted the hydra thread out of the way to concentrate on the inhuman angle and Adama’s entrance. > > I was under the impression that Cap 3 civil war was supposed to be intertwined with the series, one would take direction from the events of the other. Had me looking cross eyed at the decapitation scene, I expect sometime that hydra will be reconstitued, leadership wise, but the shenanigans of Bobby and Mac, with the tool box, have me wondering if thats the lead in to civil war. > > Declan Well, it’s not a total decapitation. Wolfgang von Strucker is still out there, but we probably won’t see him outside the movies. ---
**Author:** ![muldoonthief](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/muldoonthief/32/3188_2.png) [@muldoonthief](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/muldoonthief)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2015, 2:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-shield-s02e11-aftershocks-open-spoilers/714192/34 "2015-03-05T02:33:54Z")
> [@Lightray](#): > > The mention of Baron Strucker was probably the start of _Avengers 2_ buildup, since he’s already confirmed to be in it. > > It occurs to me that there’s a No-Prize waiting to be claimed from this episode: Coulson said it was okay for Gemma to come back because the had enough men in the field to look for Raina – _but he implanted a tracking device into Raina not too long ago_. It’s should’ve been a ten-second phone call “Oh yeah, she’s over on the highway; go pick her up.” I presume that when Ward took her off the Bus, she told him about the tracking device and Hydra removed it. ---
**Author:** ![Quimby](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/22d042/32.png) [@Quimby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Quimby)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2015, 2:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-shield-s02e11-aftershocks-open-spoilers/714192/35 "2015-03-05T02:44:59Z")
Why is this show filmed so dark? Are we not supposed to be able to see what is happening? ---
**Author:** ![Algernon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/a183cd/32.png) [@Algernon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Algernon)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2015, 2:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-shield-s02e11-aftershocks-open-spoilers/714192/36 "2015-03-05T14:12:34Z")
Thanks **muldoonthief** and **Little Nemo**. Your summaries of the prior episode were really helpful to me! ---
**Author:** ![stegon66](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ee59a6/32.png) [@stegon66](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/stegon66)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2015, 3:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-shield-s02e11-aftershocks-open-spoilers/714192/37 "2015-03-05T15:12:06Z")
> [@](#): > > Why is this show filmed so dark? Are we not supposed to be able to see what is happening? God, yes. Same with Agent Carter. I’d say the settings on my tv needed to be adjusted but I can watch other shows just fine. 😕 ---
**Author:** ![Telemark](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/telemark/32/372_2.png) [@Telemark](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Telemark)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2015, 3:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-shield-s02e11-aftershocks-open-spoilers/714192/38 "2015-03-05T15:53:00Z")
> [@El\_Kabong](#): > > I didn’t really get why, after showing no compunctions about savaging several hapless mooks for no particular reason earlier, Raina let Cal live. That was one thing that bothered me about the episode. Raina was never represented as blood thirsty or that vicious before. Those killings were unnecessary and exceedingly violent. Perhaps that’s part of the terragenisis, or just the result of expecting to become a super being and instead becoming a freak. ---
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2015, 4:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-shield-s02e11-aftershocks-open-spoilers/714192/39 "2015-03-05T16:23:33Z")
The latter, I think. She’d been told she’d become something wonderful, and she turned into a freak. On top of that, Daisy remained the same (externally.) The violence was just Raina lashing out at the world. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2015, 6:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-shield-s02e11-aftershocks-open-spoilers/714192/40 "2015-03-05T18:19:46Z")
> [@levdrakon](#): > > Well, it’s not a total decapitation. Wolfgang von Strucker is still out there, but we probably won’t see him outside the movies. Realistically, this should disrupt Hydra for a year or more. We just saw that Hydra doesn’t have a stable promotion system. This was the problems they had when there was only one vacancy to fill in the second-tier management level. And now all five positions are vacant. Third level managers will be killing each other for months along with the associated collateral minion casualties. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-shield-s02e11-aftershocks-open-spoilers/714192.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-shield-s02e11-aftershocks-open-spoilers/714192.md?page=3)