# Agents of SHIELD - S02E11 - Aftershocks (open spoilers) **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [March 4, 2015, 1:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-shield-s02e11-aftershocks-open-spoilers/714192 "2015-03-04T13:03:53Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 19\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![muldoonthief](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/muldoonthief/32/3188_2.png) [@muldoonthief](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/muldoonthief)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2015, 3:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-shield-s02e11-aftershocks-open-spoilers/714192/81 "2015-03-09T15:39:40Z")
> [@D\_Odds](#): > > I’ve got another theory. I’ll spoiler it to avoid hassles, as my speculation is based on some things that have happened over the years in the comics. > > They’re working for Maria Hill. And while technically Hill and Coulson/Fury are on the same side, they’re not 100% sure they are on the same side. > > Regarding Red Skull in the MCU: I don’t think Hugo Weaving has any intention on reprising the role. While they could always recast the role, they may simply choose to keep the Red Skull in the deceased category. Yeah, the MCU has to put out one or two movies per year, as opposed to Marvel Comics, who put out a few dozen comics per month. The MCU has a lot less need to resurrect dead characters. ---
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2015, 4:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-shield-s02e11-aftershocks-open-spoilers/714192/82 "2015-03-09T16:30:05Z")
I was going to opine that if they waved enough money under his nose, Weaving would reprise the role. But then I remembered I was talking about Marvel. But then I remembered I was also talking about Disney. So if they really wanted him, they could money-whip him into line fairly quickly. But as **muldoonthief** noted, they hardly need to. ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2015, 4:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-shield-s02e11-aftershocks-open-spoilers/714192/83 "2015-03-09T16:36:46Z")
> [@muldoonthief](#): > > Yeah, the MCU has to put out one or two movies per year, as opposed to Marvel Comics, who put out a few dozen comics per month. The MCU has a lot less need to resurrect dead characters. True for now, but by the end of the year they’re going to have, what, three different TV series? Four? ---
**Author:** ![Push\_You\_Down](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/push_you_down/32/9095_2.png) [@Push\_You\_Down](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Push_You_Down)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2015, 4:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-shield-s02e11-aftershocks-open-spoilers/714192/84 "2015-03-09T16:39:46Z")
> [@silenus](#): > > I was going to opine that if they waved enough money under his nose, Weaving would reprise the role. But then I remembered I was talking about Marvel. But then I remembered I was also talking about Disney. So if they really wanted him, they could money-whip him into line fairly quickly. > > But as **muldoonthief** noted, they hardly need to. But also… there’s absolutely no reason to bring Weaving back. They can bring back the Red Skull–they don’t need Weaving to play him. ---
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2015, 4:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-shield-s02e11-aftershocks-open-spoilers/714192/85 "2015-03-09T16:44:48Z")
> [@Push\_You\_Down](#): > > But also… there’s absolutely no reason to bring Weaving back. They can bring back the Red Skull–they don’t need Weaving to play him. Don’t be silly! That would be as absurd as recasting “Rhodey” Rhodes! ---
**Author:** ![muldoonthief](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/muldoonthief/32/3188_2.png) [@muldoonthief](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/muldoonthief)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2015, 4:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-shield-s02e11-aftershocks-open-spoilers/714192/86 "2015-03-09T16:45:38Z")
Or Bruce Banner! Twice! ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2015, 5:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-shield-s02e11-aftershocks-open-spoilers/714192/87 "2015-03-09T17:24:10Z")
The strange one is the casting of Howard Stark. John Slattery played Howard Stark in _Iron Man 2_. But then they recast the role and Dominic Cooper played Howard Stark in _Captain America_ and _Agent Carter_. But for the upcoming _Ant Man_, they’ve brought Slattery back. ---
**Author:** ![Ethilrist](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ethilrist/32/4604_2.png) [@Ethilrist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ethilrist)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2015, 5:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-shield-s02e11-aftershocks-open-spoilers/714192/88 "2015-03-09T17:25:56Z")
Apparently Howard is going to have an interesting decade or two. ---
**Author:** ![Push\_You\_Down](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/push_you_down/32/9095_2.png) [@Push\_You\_Down](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Push_You_Down)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2015, 5:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-shield-s02e11-aftershocks-open-spoilers/714192/89 "2015-03-09T17:34:39Z")
> [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > The strange one is the casting of Howard Stark. John Slattery played Howard Stark in _Iron Man 2_. But then they recast the role and Dominic Cooper played Howard Stark in _Captain America_ and _Agent Carter_. But for the upcoming _Ant Man_, they’ve brought Slattery back. Well, that is not that off. Cooper is playing young Howard Stark, Slattery is playing middle-aged Stark. ---
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2015, 5:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-shield-s02e11-aftershocks-open-spoilers/714192/90 "2015-03-09T17:36:29Z")
Somebody in Marvel Casting Department is a _Roseanne_ fan. ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2015, 6:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-shield-s02e11-aftershocks-open-spoilers/714192/91 "2015-03-09T18:23:24Z")
> [@silenus](#): > > Somebody in Marvel Casting Department is a _Roseanne_ fan. I know you’re making a Becky joke, but _Roseanne_ was Joss Whedon’s first writing gig… ---
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2015, 6:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-shield-s02e11-aftershocks-open-spoilers/714192/92 "2015-03-09T18:33:33Z")
As Marvel keeps telling us…“It’s all connected!” 😛 ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2015, 6:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-shield-s02e11-aftershocks-open-spoilers/714192/93 "2015-03-09T18:40:16Z")
If it turns out that the Hulk is a Time Lord, you read it here first. ---
**Author:** ![CaptMurdock](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/captmurdock/32/11736_2.png) [@CaptMurdock](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CaptMurdock)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2015, 12:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-shield-s02e11-aftershocks-open-spoilers/714192/94 "2015-03-10T00:05:05Z")
> [@Push\_You\_Down](#): > > Well, that is not that off. Cooper is playing young Howard Stark, Slattery is playing middle-aged Stark. Young Howard Stark = Howard Hughes Middle-aged Howard Stark = Walt Disney. 🆒 ---
**Author:** ![magnusblitz](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/b4bc9f/32.png) [@magnusblitz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/magnusblitz)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2015, 5:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-shield-s02e11-aftershocks-open-spoilers/714192/95 "2015-03-10T05:17:14Z")
> [@Quimby](#): > > Why is this show filmed so dark? Are we not supposed to be able to see what is happening? I think it’s to give it more of a ‘cinematic’ feel in line with the movies, as opposed to being a brightly-lit sitcom. A more critical person might say its to hide the underwhelming nature of the sets… the ‘underground city’ before the break was pretty bland looking, IMO, which is one reason they made it so dark. > [@silenus](#): > > Red Skull is about as dead as Jean Grey. I know what you’re trying to say here, but (main universe) comics Jean Grey has been dead since 2004… ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2015, 6:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-shield-s02e11-aftershocks-open-spoilers/714192/96 "2015-03-10T06:34:08Z")
> [@magnusblitz](#): > > I know what you’re trying to say here, but (main universe) comics Jean Grey has been dead since 2004… And yet there’s still, like, three of them running around in All New X-Men. ---
**Author:** ![Lightray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lightray/32/391_2.png) [@Lightray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lightray)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2015, 4:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-shield-s02e11-aftershocks-open-spoilers/714192/97 "2015-03-10T16:31:32Z")
There’s been up to two Jean Grays in All-New: from-the-past Jean Gray, and Ultimate Jean Gray. The former has not yet ever died and come back to life; I’m not sure about Ultimate. There _are_ the three Stepford Cuckoos as occasional characters in All-New. They’ve had the Phoenix Force at some point, and one (or two) of their dead members have come back from the dead. But main universe MU616 Jean Gray has been dead since 2004, and only came back to life once (if you don’t count “Phoenix”) or twice (if you do count “Phoenix”). ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2015, 4:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-shield-s02e11-aftershocks-open-spoilers/714192/98 "2015-03-10T16:40:03Z")
> [@magnusblitz](#): > > I think it’s to give it more of a ‘cinematic’ feel in line with the movies, as opposed to being a brightly-lit sitcom. A more critical person might say its to hide the underwhelming nature of the sets… the ‘underground city’ before the break was pretty bland looking, IMO, which is one reason they made it so dark. Nope, it’s to save on special effects. Cheap-ass way, too. ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2015, 5:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-shield-s02e11-aftershocks-open-spoilers/714192/99 "2015-03-10T17:28:47Z")
> [@Lightray](#): > > There’s been up to two Jean Grays in All-New: from-the-past Jean Gray, and Ultimate Jean Gray. The former has not yet ever died and come back to life; I’m not sure about Ultimate. There’s also from-the-future version of from-the-past Jean Gray, where she’s all evil and stuff. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-shield-s02e11-aftershocks-open-spoilers/714192.md?page=4)