# Agents of SHIELD: S3 E14 "Paradise Lost" 4/12/16 **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [April 13, 2016, 2:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-shield-s3-e14-paradise-lost-4-12-16/752054 "2016-04-13T02:15:10Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 17\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![control-z](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/eada6e/32.png) [@control-z](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/control-z)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2016, 4:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-shield-s3-e14-paradise-lost-4-12-16/752054/21 "2016-04-18T16:50:37Z")
Yep as OP said, things are happening, but the story and pacing are all over the place lately. I thought the fight between May and AsianBodyguard should have went much differently. Seems like the first thing he would have used his powers on is her clothes. That would have been a much different fight scene. :eek: Also what about tooth fillings, jewellery, etc? And why in the world would AsianBodyguard stand there with his feet spread and leave himself open to the most obvious attack ever? ---
**Author:** ![Push\_You\_Down](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/push_you_down/32/9095_2.png) [@Push\_You\_Down](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Push_You_Down)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2016, 5:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-shield-s3-e14-paradise-lost-4-12-16/752054/22 "2016-04-18T17:11:46Z")
> [@Sage\_Rat](#): > > If we’ve established that Hive inherits the memories of his hosts, then why did he spend a couple of months reading books and watching TV, to learn about Earth? Yep. So the Secret Warriors are; Daisy, Lincoln, Joey the Melter and Yo-Yo? They haven’t recruited anyone else? What happened to Multi-Ninja Ginger? ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2016, 5:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-shield-s3-e14-paradise-lost-4-12-16/752054/23 "2016-04-18T17:27:04Z")
> [@Push\_You\_Down](#): > > Yep. > > So the Secret Warriors are; Daisy, Lincoln, Joey the Melter and Yo-Yo? > They haven’t recruited anyone else? What happened to Multi-Ninja Ginger? What about Deathlok? ---
**Author:** ![AlsoNamedBort](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alsonamedbort/32/3213_2.png) [@AlsoNamedBort](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AlsoNamedBort)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2016, 5:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-shield-s3-e14-paradise-lost-4-12-16/752054/24 "2016-04-18T17:30:04Z")
> [@Push\_You\_Down](#): > > What happened to Multi-Ninja Ginger? Didn’t she get killed by Lash? ---
**Author:** ![Push\_You\_Down](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/push_you_down/32/9095_2.png) [@Push\_You\_Down](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Push_You_Down)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2016, 6:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-shield-s3-e14-paradise-lost-4-12-16/752054/25 "2016-04-18T18:12:49Z")
> [@Bryan\_Ekers](#): > > What about Deathlok? He must be with Agent Koenig and his brothers on “a different mission.” > [@AlsoNamedBort](#): > > Didn’t she get killed by Lash? I thought “one” of her was killed, but that her main body was still around. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2016, 7:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-shield-s3-e14-paradise-lost-4-12-16/752054/26 "2016-04-18T19:00:50Z")
> [@Sir\_T-Cups](#): > > - Why is Coulson suddenly all butthurt over killing Ward? He’s killed hundreds of people and deserved to die and justified it a million times. Now he’s suddenly regretting it? > - How is the Asian security guy able to use his powers in the box when literally no one else could? How did he know how to fly the plane? Which controls to take over? How to make it land? He’s killed people that \*didnt \*deserve to die , like when they invaded that place that had the stuff that put him into Tahiti-land. Several guards did there. Not Hydra. Yeah, and why not just keep him sedated? Or kill him? ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2016, 7:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-shield-s3-e14-paradise-lost-4-12-16/752054/27 "2016-04-18T19:02:23Z")
> [@AlsoNamedBort](#): > > Also, I wish they would clarify his powers. He seems to basically be Magneto, but then they said it was “anything inorganic.” Why isn’t he just picking people up by their clothes? Clothes are pretty much organic. ---
**Author:** ![oft\_wears\_hats](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/7993a0/32.png) [@oft\_wears\_hats](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/oft_wears_hats)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2016, 7:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-shield-s3-e14-paradise-lost-4-12-16/752054/28 "2016-04-18T19:06:32Z")
> [@DrDeth](#): > > He’s killed people that \*didnt \*deserve to die , like when they invaded that place that had the stuff that put him into Tahiti-land. Several guards did there. Not Hydra. > > Yeah, and why not just keep him sedated? Or kill him? I thought Coulson’s team frequently used those fancy knockout guns that looked and acted mostly like conventional firearms, but harmlessly incapacitated their targets. ---
**Author:** ![Sir\_T-Cups](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ed655f/32.png) [@Sir\_T-Cups](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sir_T-Cups)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2016, 7:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-shield-s3-e14-paradise-lost-4-12-16/752054/29 "2016-04-18T19:12:01Z")
> [@bienville](#): > > \*Added red text to draw readers’ attention to the fact that this is a Quote from a different Thread. > Anyone have a better memory of the Yo-Yo episode than I do? > > I had actually completely forgotten about the “_x_ months from now…” opening of that episode until **Telemark** mentioned it. I watch on Hulu which only saves the 5 most recent episodes and the Yo-Yo episode was 6 episodes ago, so I can’t just rewatch it. > > Was there any different information comparing Daisy’s vision to the opening scene from the Yo-Yo episode? Same exact footage? I remember the episode pretty well, and it was the same exact footage. I also remembered the cross, which I’m assuming was a Holy Chekov’s gun even in that episode. We saw Yo-Yo and I noticed the cross on her right away and thought “oh she dies in this episode”. Then she didn’t and no one went to space anyway. Seeing the footage again when TiYL touched Daisy just proved it to me that she’s the one who dies. This is, of course, assuming they don’t swerve us and put the cross on someone else ---
**Author:** ![AlsoNamedBort](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alsonamedbort/32/3213_2.png) [@AlsoNamedBort](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AlsoNamedBort)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2016, 10:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-shield-s3-e14-paradise-lost-4-12-16/752054/30 "2016-04-18T22:36:24Z")
> [@Sir\_T-Cups](#): > > I remember the episode pretty well, and it was the same exact footage. I also remembered the cross, which I’m assuming was a Holy Chekov’s gun even in that episode. We saw Yo-Yo and I noticed the cross on her right away and thought “oh she dies in this episode”. Then she didn’t and no one went to space anyway. > > Seeing the footage again when TiYL touched Daisy just proved it to me that she’s the one who dies. This is, of course, assuming they don’t swerve us and put the cross on someone else I mentioned this in the other topic, but the fact that they showed us the cross means it’s anyone BUT yo-yo. Otherwise, what’s the surprise? ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2016, 10:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-shield-s3-e14-paradise-lost-4-12-16/752054/31 "2016-04-18T22:42:33Z")
> [@AlsoNamedBort](#): > > I mentioned this in the other topic, but the fact that they showed us the cross means it’s anyone BUT yo-yo. Otherwise, what’s the surprise? You mean they might string us along, jerk us around, think they’ve got us wrapped around their little finger? If they do, _this_ dog’s gonna walk! ---
**Author:** ![muldoonthief](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/muldoonthief/32/3188_2.png) [@muldoonthief](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/muldoonthief)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2016, 11:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-shield-s3-e14-paradise-lost-4-12-16/752054/32 "2016-04-18T23:00:46Z")
> [@bienville](#): > > \*Added red text to draw readers’ attention to the fact that this is a Quote from a different Thread. > Anyone have a better memory of the Yo-Yo episode than I do? > > I had actually completely forgotten about the “_x_ months from now…” opening of that episode until **Telemark** mentioned it. I watch on Hulu which only saves the 5 most recent episodes and the Yo-Yo episode was 6 episodes ago, so I can’t just rewatch it. > > Was there any different information comparing Daisy’s vision to the opening scene from the Yo-Yo episode? Same exact footage? My DVR still had the YoYo episode, and they’re the exact same scene, down to the numbers on the cockpit display. Ship in space, as the camera pulls back we see a few blood spheres floating around, a floating box on the left, gold cross and chain, shoulder with SHIELD patch on it, then an explosion. It was 3 months ago BTW. > [@oft\_wears\_hats](#): > > I thought Coulson’s team frequently used those fancy knockout guns that looked and acted mostly like conventional firearms, but harmlessly incapacitated their targets. They definitely shot the TAHITI facility guards with live ammo, then left them there when the place blew up due to the timed explosives the guards set. ---
**Author:** ![bienville](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/4bbf92/32.png) [@bienville](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bienville)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2016, 12:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-shield-s3-e14-paradise-lost-4-12-16/752054/33 "2016-04-19T12:57:30Z")
> [@Sir\_T-Cups](#): > > I remember the episode pretty well, and it was the same exact footage. I also remembered the cross, which I’m assuming was a Holy Chekov’s gun even in that episode. We saw Yo-Yo and I noticed the cross on her right away and thought “oh she dies in this episode”. Then she didn’t and no one went to space anyway. > [@muldoonthief](#): > > My DVR still had the YoYo episode, and they’re the exact same scene, down to the numbers on the cockpit display. Ship in space, as the camera pulls back we see a few blood spheres floating around, a floating box on the left, gold cross and chain, shoulder with SHIELD patch on it, then an explosion. Thanks, **Sir T-Cups**! Thanks, **muldoonthief**! ---
**Author:** ![oft\_wears\_hats](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/7993a0/32.png) [@oft\_wears\_hats](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/oft_wears_hats)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2016, 1:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-shield-s3-e14-paradise-lost-4-12-16/752054/34 "2016-04-19T13:13:46Z")
> [@muldoonthief](#): > > … > > They definitely shot the TAHITI facility guards with live ammo, then left them there when the place blew up due to the timed explosives the guards set. Ah, I didn’t remember that, thanks. That facility was under the Clairvoyant’s control, wasn’t it? Not saying it’s OK, but there’s a distinction between using lethal force on active combatants and killing someone who is already incapacitated. ---
**Author:** ![muldoonthief](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/muldoonthief/32/3188_2.png) [@muldoonthief](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/muldoonthief)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2016, 4:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-shield-s3-e14-paradise-lost-4-12-16/752054/35 "2016-04-19T16:11:59Z")
> [@oft\_wears\_hats](#): > > Ah, I didn’t remember that, thanks. That facility was under the Clairvoyant’s control, wasn’t it? Not saying it’s OK, but there’s a distinction between using lethal force on active combatants and killing someone who is already incapacitated. I honestly don’t remember who controlled that facility, but Garrett was along on the raid. Having watched it again on Netflix, Garrett and Ward were the ones who actually shot the guards, though Coulson was in charge of course. And both guards were dead before the facility blew. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2016, 5:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-shield-s3-e14-paradise-lost-4-12-16/752054/36 "2016-04-19T17:33:42Z")
> [@oft\_wears\_hats](#): > > Ah, I didn’t remember that, thanks. That facility was under the Clairvoyant’s control, wasn’t it? Not saying it’s OK, but there’s a distinction between using lethal force on active combatants and killing someone who is already incapacitated. Perhaps. It’s unclear who ran it. But the guards seemed like law abiding security, not evil henchmen. And SHIELD had no warrant or lawful purpose in invading it. ---
**Author:** ![muldoonthief](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/muldoonthief/32/3188_2.png) [@muldoonthief](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/muldoonthief)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2016, 8:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-shield-s3-e14-paradise-lost-4-12-16/752054/37 "2016-04-19T20:34:00Z")
> [@DrDeth](#): > > Perhaps. It’s unclear who ran it. But the guards seemed like law abiding security, not evil henchmen. And SHIELD had no warrant or lawful purpose in invading it. Skye was _dying_! What else could they do but kill every mook who stood in their way to save her? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-shield-s3-e14-paradise-lost-4-12-16/752054.md?page=1)