# Agents of SHIELD: S3 E21 "Absolution/Ascension Part 1" 5/17/16 **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [May 18, 2016, 1:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-shield-s3-e21-absolution-ascension-part-1-5-17-16/755058 "2016-05-18T01:58:01Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![muldoonthief](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/muldoonthief/32/3188_2.png) [@muldoonthief](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/muldoonthief)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2016, 4:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-shield-s3-e21-absolution-ascension-part-1-5-17-16/755058/21 "2016-05-18T16:44:38Z")
> [@Sir\_T-Cups](#): > > Lastly, was there any significance to the female voice/“I’m giving you a new body” at the end of the episode? Is that a character that I don’t know about? A female Ultron or whatever? I have no idea if it’s something from the comics, but he called her Ada, presumably a reference to the [Ada programming language](http://www.adacore.com/adaanswers/about/ada) named after 19th century mathematician [Ada Lovelace](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ada_Lovelace). ---
**Author:** ![Push\_You\_Down](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/push_you_down/32/9095_2.png) [@Push\_You\_Down](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Push_You_Down)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2016, 5:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-shield-s3-e21-absolution-ascension-part-1-5-17-16/755058/22 "2016-05-18T17:08:54Z")
My joke at the end when it was clear that the LMD was a woman…(I saw boobs through the frosted glass) “I guess they figured out how to bring Agent Carter into the present.” It was weird that the Dr. did refer to Fitz and Simmons having lost a lot of good friends…it seemed to imply that he was replacing a dead castmember… and Ward made sense, but then… boobs. I figure Talbot will be the new director. ---
**Author:** ![YogSothoth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/8edcca/32.png) [@YogSothoth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/YogSothoth)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2016, 6:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-shield-s3-e21-absolution-ascension-part-1-5-17-16/755058/23 "2016-05-18T18:03:55Z")
This is the more final of the finales we’ve had in any of these 4 seasons. The big bad has been killed and everything’s pretty much fine. Daisy’s doing her Robin Hood thing, but that’s not exactly evil, I’m sure the team’s just trying to get her back. That doctor’s guy’s making a sex doll and SHIELD is back with a new director. I like this one. We’ve had a lot of fake finales and resolutions to issues that its nice to have something to tie everything up in a neat little bow. I wonder if this has anything to do with the recent cancellation of the Inhumans movie. That was scheduled for 2019, but now that its later, maybe the movie people told the TV people they can’t keep doing Inhumans stuff before we introduce Blackbolt and the rest of the Inhuman royal family. I hope this isn’t the end of AoS but if marks a change in tone for a while, I’m satisfied ---
**Author:** ![Telemark](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/telemark/32/372_2.png) [@Telemark](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Telemark)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2016, 6:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-shield-s3-e21-absolution-ascension-part-1-5-17-16/755058/24 "2016-05-18T18:21:20Z")
> [@muldoonthief](#): > > I have no idea if it’s something from the comics, but he called her Ada, presumably a reference to the [Ada programming language](http://www.adacore.com/adaanswers/about/ada) named after 19th century mathematician [Ada Lovelace](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ada_Lovelace). I think it’s actually A.I.D.A which was used in the comics for Artificial Intelligence Data Analyser but I doubt that has much if anything to do with the Life Model Decoy being used here. ---
**Author:** ![muldoonthief](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/muldoonthief/32/3188_2.png) [@muldoonthief](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/muldoonthief)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2016, 6:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-shield-s3-e21-absolution-ascension-part-1-5-17-16/755058/25 "2016-05-18T18:23:46Z")
I just watched the epilogue again, and now I’m thinking that Radcliffe, Fitz and Simmons aren’t part of SHIELD at all. Radcliffe’s line that “It would have been fitting for Fitz to be here, this is based on an old SHIELD program” sounds like it isn’t a _current_ SHIELD program, which implies Radcliffe and his new colleagues aren’t SHIELD at all. ---
**Author:** ![DigitalC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ebca7d/32.png) [@DigitalC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DigitalC)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2016, 6:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-shield-s3-e21-absolution-ascension-part-1-5-17-16/755058/26 "2016-05-18T18:32:03Z")
I was so hoping it was Daisy in that damn shuttle, getting rid of her would be the best thing to happen to this show since Winter Soldier. Instead the show is going to be even more about her now, with bonus ridiculous goth make up. ---
**Author:** ![levdrakon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/49beb7/32.png) [@levdrakon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/levdrakon)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2016, 9:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-shield-s3-e21-absolution-ascension-part-1-5-17-16/755058/27 "2016-05-18T21:57:28Z")
I figured Lincoln was pretty expendable. He could potentially come between Coulson and his Skye, and we can’t have that. Then I figured it was so obvious it would be Lincoln maybe it was a fake out but I guess they stuck with obvious. Playing hot potato with the crucifix was actually a bit amusing. Anyway, the explosion in space was mostly a blip on a computer screen, and didn’t feel completely final. So, Coulson spends the next six months looking for his little Skye, so the show is all about Daisy even off-screen. It looks like Coulson is supposed to be hunting down people who fall afoul of the Sokovia Accords, which kinda sounds like what Bobbi and Lance were supposed to be doing had their spin off show happened. ---
**Author:** ![Declan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ecae2f/32.png) [@Declan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Declan)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2016, 10:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-shield-s3-e21-absolution-ascension-part-1-5-17-16/755058/28 "2016-05-18T22:00:25Z")
> [@Sage\_Rat](#): > > Hm, well midseason finale then. > > Any idea why ABC is doing that? I know that they were scaling things back, hence the death of Most Wanted, but I didn’t realize they were trying to cut the habit entirely. Civil war in abc land. They just ousted someone and brought in a new president. Aos does not really seem like it would have supernatural season duration, so I figured this or the following season was going to be it. ABC picked up S4 really quickly, while leaving Agent Carter hanging until the may numbers came in. So to me, its either going to go 5 seasons, or its going to get axed S4 mid season. Declan ---
**Author:** ![levdrakon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/49beb7/32.png) [@levdrakon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/levdrakon)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2016, 10:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-shield-s3-e21-absolution-ascension-part-1-5-17-16/755058/29 "2016-05-18T22:21:05Z")
> [@Telemark](#): > > I think it’s actually A.I.D.A which was used in the comics for Artificial Intelligence Data Analyser but I doubt that has much if anything to do with the Life Model Decoy being used here. Well, AIDA is a female AI that just got uploaded into a hot naked female LMD body. Should be mildly entertaining. ---
**Author:** ![Telemark](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/telemark/32/372_2.png) [@Telemark](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Telemark)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2016, 1:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-shield-s3-e21-absolution-ascension-part-1-5-17-16/755058/30 "2016-05-19T01:58:55Z")
> [@levdrakon](#): > > Well, AIDA is a female AI that just got uploaded into a hot naked female LMD body. Should be mildly entertaining. I meant the comic book AIDA was an unrelated computer from a different timeline. It has the same name but appears unrelated to the AIDA that Radcliffe is working with. ---
**Author:** ![Algernon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/a183cd/32.png) [@Algernon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Algernon)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2016, 1:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-shield-s3-e21-absolution-ascension-part-1-5-17-16/755058/31 "2016-05-20T13:45:17Z")
> [@silenus](#): > > Too much baggage plus the fact that as a “good” guy he had all the acting chops of a 2x4. As a “bad” guy he is stellar. > [@Telemark](#): > > Agreed, he wasn’t awful as good-Ward, but he certainly excelled in season’s 2 and 3. > [@Sir\_T-Cups](#): > > I thought Dalton acted the hell out of this episode and has actually been a bit of a shining star this season. > [@Telemark](#): > > Forgot, great acting by Dalton when Hive’s memory was messed up. I quoted all this simply to say that yes, Dalton was wonderfully effective as Hive, especially a “screwed up memory Hive” in the finale. I hated him in S1, tolerated him in S2, and loved him in S3. He either found his groove, or the writing improved to fit his abilities better. Or perhaps a bit of both. ---
**Author:** ![DigitalC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ebca7d/32.png) [@DigitalC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DigitalC)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2016, 1:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-shield-s3-e21-absolution-ascension-part-1-5-17-16/755058/32 "2016-05-20T13:57:12Z")
Everyone hated him in season 1 because we didn’t know that the boring season 1 Ward was all an act. If you watch it again it looks like pure genius. ---
**Author:** ![gonzoron](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/a6a055/32.png) [@gonzoron](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gonzoron)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2016, 2:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-shield-s3-e21-absolution-ascension-part-1-5-17-16/755058/33 "2016-05-20T14:17:17Z")
Loved the finale, and I’ll go one record to say that I went from tolerating Skye to loving Daisy. Really didn’t need 2 epilogues, though. they should have cut the Daisy one and opened next season with it. Glad to see Lincoln go. His character never really got off the ground. (har, har until the end!) Moreso pleased because I wouldn’t have wanted to lose Fitz, Simmons, Mack, Daisy, Coulson, or May. (Pretty much in that order… With Lash dead, they could have lost May, I suppose). Could have been Yo-yo, but that would have been a) too obvious, and b) have no real impact on anyone other than Mack). I’m betting on May as new director, though I don’t know why Coulson would be demoted. Maybe it’s a new character? Totally agreed that Ward’s acting shone this season. Gonna miss him, but best he stays dead for at least a season. ---
**Author:** ![xizor](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/xizor/32/102_2.png) [@xizor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/xizor)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2016, 3:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-shield-s3-e21-absolution-ascension-part-1-5-17-16/755058/34 "2016-05-20T15:21:09Z")
I’m going to go way out on a limb and say Nick Fury has returned as SHIELD’s director in the epilogue. If for no other reason than to get him back into the MCU movies. If he is not with SHIELD, there is really no reason for him to return and people love Samuel L Jackson. ---
**Author:** ![DigitalC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ebca7d/32.png) [@DigitalC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DigitalC)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2016, 3:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-shield-s3-e21-absolution-ascension-part-1-5-17-16/755058/35 "2016-05-20T15:23:22Z")
The MCU movies have all but disconnected themselves from the show, there is no chance they get Fury or Samuel L Jackson to appear on Agents of Shield anymore. They are just trying to let the show die a quiet death and forget about TV tie ins. The new director is going to be Talbot. ---
**Author:** ![AlsoNamedBort](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alsonamedbort/32/3213_2.png) [@AlsoNamedBort](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AlsoNamedBort)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2016, 4:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-shield-s3-e21-absolution-ascension-part-1-5-17-16/755058/36 "2016-05-20T16:18:29Z")
Something not mentioned, what was up with that opening sequence with Coulson and Daisy on the other planet? Was it a dream or a vision? I couldn’t really hear too clearly what Coulson was saying. ---
**Author:** ![levdrakon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/49beb7/32.png) [@levdrakon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/levdrakon)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2016, 4:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-shield-s3-e21-absolution-ascension-part-1-5-17-16/755058/37 "2016-05-20T16:21:00Z")
I couldn’t care less if we ever see Samuel Jackson again, but Daredevil, Jessica Jones, Nick Cage and Iron Fist suggest Marvel has in no way given up on TV. AoS might not survive as a weekly advertisement for the movies but I don’t think the Marvel TV-verse is going away. I don’t understand why Coulson and Mack are working for a new director. They solved the Hive problem and almost wiped out Hydra. There’s no reason for Shield to have been dissolved or have had Coulson replaced, although it’s believable the UN, Sokovia Accords and various other government bureaucracies are still screwing around and trying to control everything and build their own little empires. But Shield didn’t screw up, at least not this time. The dream sequence on the other planet made no sense. If it wasn’t a vision of the future, what purpose did it serve? ---
**Author:** ![muldoonthief](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/muldoonthief/32/3188_2.png) [@muldoonthief](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/muldoonthief)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2016, 4:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-shield-s3-e21-absolution-ascension-part-1-5-17-16/755058/38 "2016-05-20T16:31:22Z")
I think it was just a dream of what would have happened/could still happen if Daisy was still with Hive. That’s why when she said “Then I can fly us back to Earth” Coulson replied “Daisy, this is Earth.” ---
**Author:** ![DigitalC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ebca7d/32.png) [@DigitalC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DigitalC)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2016, 4:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-shield-s3-e21-absolution-ascension-part-1-5-17-16/755058/39 "2016-05-20T16:41:02Z")
> [@levdrakon](#): > > I couldn’t care less if we ever see Samuel Jackson again, but Daredevil, Jessica Jones, Nick Cage and Iron Fist suggest Marvel has in no way given up on TV. AoS might not survive as a weekly advertisement for the movies but I don’t think the Marvel TV-verse is going away. The only connection between those shows and the movies are one or two name drops per season, their new york doesn’t even have an Avengers tower. You can barely consider them part of the same universe. ---
**Author:** ![levdrakon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/49beb7/32.png) [@levdrakon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/levdrakon)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2016, 4:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-shield-s3-e21-absolution-ascension-part-1-5-17-16/755058/40 "2016-05-20T16:53:06Z")
That’s the direction AoS should go. Sooner or later, the movies may want to use Shield for something, but they aren’t going to want to use Coulson and his team, so it’s not a bad idea to branch off Coulson and team as something else. That’s doable, since Agents of Shield just means “some agents of Shield” not the whole org. It’s also easy to see how that might spell doom for the show though. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-shield-s3-e21-absolution-ascension-part-1-5-17-16/755058.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-shield-s3-e21-absolution-ascension-part-1-5-17-16/755058.md?page=3)