# Agents of SHIELD - Season 7 **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [June 5, 2020, 2:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-shield-season-7/855097 "2020-06-05T14:33:17Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Terminus\_Est](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/terminus_est/32/3087_2.png) [@Terminus\_Est](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Terminus_Est)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2020, 5:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-shield-season-7/855097/41 "2020-06-27T05:40:42Z")
You remember _Captain America: Civil War_? HYDRA had infiltrated S.H.I.E.L.D. to the highest level and placed Project Insight into motion, ostensibly to take out threats against the US but really to take out threats against HYDRA. Now evil alien robots have traveled back in time to aid HYDRA in carrying out dastardly plan forty years ahead of schedule. ---
**Author:** ![gonzoron](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/a6a055/32.png) [@gonzoron](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gonzoron)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2020, 4:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-shield-season-7/855097/42 "2020-06-27T16:10:07Z")
I’d forgotten that it was “more than a year” but yeah, in Chronicom time, that’s not very long. Pulling up at the nick of time is probably due to Rule of Cool, sure. (Let’s face it, this series thrives on Rule of Cool sometimes, and I won’t fault them for it.) But staying at the Crazy Canoe when there are Chronicoms about would be dangerous, so that makes sense. Even if the time-travelling ones just showed up, the leader one that stayed behind with Malick might have been nosing around a year ago. We just don’t have enough info right now (or maybe ever) to do more than speculate, but Enoch not being there to start with could easily make sense. ---
**Author:** ![Andy\_L](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/c67d28/32.png) [@Andy\_L](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Andy_L)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2020, 4:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-shield-season-7/855097/43 "2020-06-27T16:19:16Z")
Enoch spent 40-some years there. That’s plenty of time for him to have bugged the place or recruited some human informants who will tell him when Coulson turns up again. Enoch also doesn’t need much in the way of food or shelter, so it’s fairly easy for him to hide nearby enough that he can turn up in a few minutes when he gets the word that he’s needed. ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2020, 7:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-shield-season-7/855097/44 "2020-06-27T19:54:02Z")
> [@Terminus\_Est](#): > > You remember _Captain America: Civil War_? HYDRA had infiltrated S.H.I.E.L.D. to the highest level and placed Project Insight into motion, ostensibly to take out threats against the US but really to take out threats against HYDRA. Now evil alien robots have traveled back in time to aid HYDRA in carrying out [its] dastardly plan forty years ahead of schedule. Yes, I asked because of the movie and its immediate aftermath. Thanks for the update. ---
**Author:** ![Terminus\_Est](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/terminus_est/32/3087_2.png) [@Terminus\_Est](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Terminus_Est)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2020, 2:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-shield-season-7/855097/45 "2020-06-28T02:12:58Z")
Of course, I was wrong about the movie in which Project Insight played a prominent role. It was _Captain America: The Winter Soldier_. ---
**Author:** ![gonzoron](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/a6a055/32.png) [@gonzoron](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gonzoron)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2020, 3:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-shield-season-7/855097/46 "2020-06-28T15:18:06Z")
After Winter Soldier, once HYDRA went public, SHIELD and HYDRA have been fairly separate entities in the series. The rest of season 1 was spent rooting out some HYDRA agents that were formerly SHIELD. But other than that, as far as the show is concerned, there hasn’t been any real fear of HYDRA existing within SHIELD. (There was some effort on HYDRA’s part to confuse the public at large and blame SHIELD for things they did, but that was transparent to the viewer). There was some bits in Season 2 where it seemed some members of the team might be HYDRA, but it was quickly revealed they were part of something else, much dumber, calling themselves The Real SHIELD. Thankfully that was resolved by the end of S2 and hasn’t really been mentioned since. I would say that yes, SHIELD is “unquestionably the good guys and gals” though there are still individual disagreements on what that means/entails. ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2020, 7:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-shield-season-7/855097/47 "2020-06-28T19:06:40Z")
Thanks - good to know! ---
**Author:** ![AlsoNamedBort](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alsonamedbort/32/3213_2.png) [@AlsoNamedBort](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AlsoNamedBort)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2020, 1:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-shield-season-7/855097/48 "2020-06-29T01:12:54Z")
Also, as of a couple seasons ago, I believe HYDRA has now been completely wiped out (although that may change with the time travel shenanigans). ---
**Author:** ![gonzoron](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/a6a055/32.png) [@gonzoron](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gonzoron)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2020, 1:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-shield-season-7/855097/49 "2020-06-29T13:51:26Z")
Well, yes, but the team is currently in the past where HYDRA is still going strong. Whether those shenanigans will result in a HYDRA rebirth in the “present” remains to be seen. ---
**Author:** ![BeagleJesus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/5daacb/32.png) [@BeagleJesus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BeagleJesus)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2020, 6:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-shield-season-7/855097/50 "2020-06-29T18:03:23Z")
With each new episode I can’t help but think the Chronicoms are just too stupid to win. After the idiots learned that SHIELD is tailgating them through time in an effort to stop them from “pulling the thread” all they really had to was simply take the slow boat from 1931 to the future. Sure SHIELD might have stopped you in the 50’s but by the time you got to the 70s everybody except Coulson, Enoch and (maybe) Simmons would be firmly ensconced in the old folks home. Sure you might still have a few bad asses on your trail but their resources and personnel would be greatly diminished. ---
**Author:** ![AlsoNamedBort](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alsonamedbort/32/3213_2.png) [@AlsoNamedBort](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AlsoNamedBort)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2020, 6:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-shield-season-7/855097/51 "2020-06-29T18:38:51Z")
I don’t think they Chronicons realized that SHIELD was following in their wake until they got to the 50’s at which point they switched tactics to have one stay behind. I also think this latest move was to try and track the Zephyr down directly. They didn’t really care if Insight worked or not. They just wanted SHIELD to reveal itself. The problem with sticking in one place is that it gives SHIELD time to hunt them down too. We don’t really know how many there are on this mission and SHIELD’s already killed a few of them. ---
**Author:** ![Face\_Intentionally\_Left\_Blank](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/face_intentionally_left_blank/32/288_2.png) [@Face\_Intentionally\_Left\_Blank](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Face_Intentionally_Left_Blank)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2020, 8:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-shield-season-7/855097/52 "2020-07-02T08:57:01Z")
They’re pretty good at that end-of-episode cliffhanger, aren’t they? ---
**Author:** ![Exapno\_Mapcase](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/exapno_mapcase/32/1051_2.png) [@Exapno\_Mapcase](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Exapno_Mapcase)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2020, 12:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-shield-season-7/855097/53 "2020-07-03T00:41:48Z")
Do we know what year the Shield LMDs were invented? ---
**Author:** ![Andy\_L](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/c67d28/32.png) [@Andy\_L](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Andy_L)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2020, 1:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-shield-season-7/855097/54 "2020-07-03T01:56:29Z")
> [@BeagleJesus](#): > > Sure SHIELD might have stopped you in the 50’s but by the time you got to the 70s everybody except Coulson, Enoch and (maybe) Simmons would be firmly ensconced in the old folks home. Sure you might still have a few bad asses on your trail but their resources and personnel would be greatly diminished. Coulson and the others can recruit younger agents from past-SHIELD and upgrade past-SHIELD tech. ---
**Author:** ![GuanoLad](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guanolad/32/42_2.png) [@GuanoLad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GuanoLad)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2020, 10:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-shield-season-7/855097/55 "2020-07-03T10:19:09Z")
> [@Face\_Intentionally\_Left\_Blank](#): > > They’re pretty good at that end-of-episode cliffhanger, aren’t they? My guess is they aren’t leaping too far ahead in time. Though we also don’t know what time they were in either. I assume the 80s, though. ---
**Author:** ![galen\_ubal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/galen_ubal/32/4440_2.png) [@galen\_ubal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/galen_ubal)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2020, 10:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-shield-season-7/855097/56 "2020-07-03T10:36:52Z")
> [@GuanoLad](#): > > My guess is they aren’t leaping too far ahead in time. Though we also don’t know what time they were in either. I assume the 80s, though. The name of the next episode is “The Totally Excellent Adventures of Mack and the D”, so I’m guessing you’re right. ---
**Author:** ![Andy\_L](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/c67d28/32.png) [@Andy\_L](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Andy_L)\ **Post date:** [July 4, 2020, 12:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-shield-season-7/855097/57 "2020-07-04T00:59:51Z")
I was thinking Mack was a little young to remember the Bicentennial, but his actor is 50, so he would be have 6 for 7/4/76, and would remember a big enough party… ---
**Author:** ![E-DUB](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/e-dub/32/403_2.png) [@E-DUB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/E-DUB)\ **Post date:** [July 4, 2020, 2:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-shield-season-7/855097/58 "2020-07-04T14:44:11Z")
It would be wild if, before the season is over, they leaped into the time period “Avengers”. You’d have overlaid the original events, the “Endgame” time travel stuff and the AOS time travel stuff. Now _that_ would give me a headache. ---
**Author:** ![Snooooopy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ee7513/32.png) [@Snooooopy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snooooopy)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2020, 2:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-shield-season-7/855097/59 "2020-07-06T02:32:11Z")
Does anyone else stream the show? The weirdest thing happened when I tried to watch one of this season’s episodes. That feature where a narrator describes the action for the visually impaired had been turned on without me realizing it. When I heard “New York” out of the blue, I just assumed it was part of the stylized presentations that have been characteristic of the whole season, but I knew something was up when I heard “Daisy blasts a bad guy into some barrels” or whatever. I saw no way to turn it off, so I emailed the site and waited until they got around to fixing it. ---
**Author:** ![gonzoron](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/a6a055/32.png) [@gonzoron](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gonzoron)\ **Post date:** [July 7, 2020, 5:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-shield-season-7/855097/60 "2020-07-07T17:19:28Z")
We know that some of the Koenig brothers were technicians on the original project, but they said the project was scrapped when it wasn’t successful. (Though that was probably mostly just to tease us about whether the Koenigs were LMDs themselves or not). Aida was the first fully functional LMD that we know of, which means if the “present day” of the show lines up with ours, that would be the start of season 4, which aired in fall of 2016. Tony Stark mentions LMDs in the Avengers, circa 2012, which was probably just a throw-away line from known comic fanboy Joss Whedon, but that we can take that to mean that the original project predated 2012. Patton Oswalt was born in 1969, so if his characters are the same age he is, they probably worked on the project some time in the late 90’s, early 2000’s. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-shield-season-7/855097.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-shield-season-7/855097.md?page=4)