# Agents of SHIELD: Shadows S02E01 \[open spoilers\] **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [September 23, 2014, 12:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-shield-shadows-s02e01-open-spoilers/699339 "2014-09-23T12:59:53Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Intergalactic\_Gladiator](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/intergalactic_gladiator/32/112_2.png) [@Intergalactic\_Gladiator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Intergalactic_Gladiator)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2014, 5:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-shield-shadows-s02e01-open-spoilers/699339/41 "2014-09-24T17:22:39Z")
> [@Push\_You\_Down](#): > > To be fair Quinjets aren’t planes–they are a fictional aircraft, we don’t even know how they work. > My wife’s reaction was “Wait… May’s on the motorcycle, but she’s the pilot. Who is flying that thing?” My thoughts as well. Then I thought that it was Skye on the motorcycle because she went up a level in badass (you can tell because she has a serious haircut now), but then the previews for next week have May on the cycle. Agent Newguy must be a pilot then, right? ---
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2014, 5:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-shield-shadows-s02e01-open-spoilers/699339/42 "2014-09-24T17:32:30Z")
It’s a quinjet. They can be flown by just about anybody with a pulse. ---
**Author:** ![That\_Don\_Guy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/that_don_guy/32/538_2.png) [@That\_Don\_Guy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/That_Don_Guy)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2014, 6:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-shield-shadows-s02e01-open-spoilers/699339/43 "2014-09-24T18:47:52Z")
> [@Intergalactic\_Gladiator](#): > > My daughter started to cry at the Fitz-Simmons reveal; that was pretty sad and it was very well done in the way that they presented it. I have a feeling “They broke up FitzSimmons” just replaced “They killed Brian” as the phrase used just before “I’m not watching this show ever again” in quite a few households. Let’s hope that it doesn’t affect the show’s ratings - at least, not to the point where some bean counter at Disney asks, “We’re spending _how much_ on this show and getting only _what_ rating?”. ---
**Author:** ![muldoonthief](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/muldoonthief/32/3188_2.png) [@muldoonthief](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/muldoonthief)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2014, 7:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-shield-shadows-s02e01-open-spoilers/699339/44 "2014-09-24T19:34:27Z")
Was anyone else a little surprised they admitted that SHIELD performed actual assassination missions? “SHIELD Protocol - sometimes hostile gifted individuals are put down.” > [@That\_Don\_Guy](#): > > I have a feeling “They broke up FitzSimmons” just replaced “They killed Brian” as the phrase used just before “I’m not watching this show ever again” in quite a few households. Let’s hope that it doesn’t affect the show’s ratings - at least, not to the point where some bean counter at Disney asks, “We’re spending _how much_ on this show and getting only _what_ rating?”. I’m hoping/dreading that they play the entire season like last night - Simmons is gone, but Fitz has lengthy conversations with her anyway. We’ll never see her except as Fitz’s hallucination. ---
**Author:** ![Intergalactic\_Gladiator](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/intergalactic_gladiator/32/112_2.png) [@Intergalactic\_Gladiator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Intergalactic_Gladiator)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2014, 7:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-shield-shadows-s02e01-open-spoilers/699339/45 "2014-09-24T19:35:00Z")
Don’t be silly, there are lots of people like me who quit watching Family Guy long before they killed Brian. ---
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2014, 7:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-shield-shadows-s02e01-open-spoilers/699339/46 "2014-09-24T19:42:52Z")
> [@muldoonthief](#): > > Was anyone else a little surprised they admitted that SHIELD performed actual assassination missions? > “SHIELD Protocol - sometimes hostile gifted individuals are put down.” The SHIELD that had been infiltrated at the highest levels from the very beginning by HYDRA? _That_ SHIELD? Not surprised in the least. ---
**Author:** ![muldoonthief](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/muldoonthief/32/3188_2.png) [@muldoonthief](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/muldoonthief)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2014, 7:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-shield-shadows-s02e01-open-spoilers/699339/47 "2014-09-24T19:45:27Z")
> [@silenus](#): > > The SHIELD that had been infiltrated at the highest levels from the very beginning by HYDRA? _That_ SHIELD? > Not surprised in the least. I’m not surprised that Hydra did assassinations (or didn’t in this case). I’m surprised that the good guys in SHIELD, like May and Coulson, were aware of it and didn’t appear to have a problem with it. ---
**Author:** ![emarkp](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/3be4f8/32.png) [@emarkp](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/emarkp)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2014, 7:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-shield-shadows-s02e01-open-spoilers/699339/48 "2014-09-24T19:56:43Z")
> [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > I’ll admit the part where they were able to break into a military base and steal a jet was ruined for me by this [Cracked article](http://www.cracked.com/article_15421_5-myths-about-flying-everyone-believes-thanks-to-movies.html), which pointed out that even with a crew assisting it takes at least fifteen minutes to get a plane in the air. Uh, I’d generally recommend not taking your facts from Cracked articles. They’re amusing, but every single time they’ve touched on something I have direct knowledge of, they’re wildly wrong. In this case, they spend a lot of time about the pre-flight checks being a time limiter. You mean the list that you skip if you’re trying to escape? Yah, that list. Check lists are for safety, reliability and repeatability. Not for drama. ---
**Author:** ![Lightray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lightray/32/391_2.png) [@Lightray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lightray)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2014, 8:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-shield-shadows-s02e01-open-spoilers/699339/49 "2014-09-24T20:10:34Z")
> [@muldoonthief](#): > > Was anyone else a little surprised they admitted that SHIELD performed actual assassination missions? > “SHIELD Protocol - sometimes hostile gifted individuals are put down.” Knowing that Hawkguy shoots very pointy arrows at people, I suspected some harm may have been intended. And although Widow’s waif-fu seems to mostly KO opponents, I kinda suspected that someone called “Black Widow” at work may have caused some fatalities in the line of her work. Really, the founders of SHIELD – Peggy Carter and the Howling Commandoes – don’t seem the type to have been shy about necessary killing. We know the Robert Redford Hydra guy wasn’t averse to some killin’, so that leaves… Fury as the gentle voice of pacifism in establishing SHIELD’s operational guidelines? ---
**Author:** ![Oakminster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/77aa72/32.png) [@Oakminster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Oakminster)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2014, 8:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-shield-shadows-s02e01-open-spoilers/699339/50 "2014-09-24T20:11:39Z")
Great episode, though I can see where it might be confusing/difficult to follow for someone just starting to watch the show. I suspect things will slow down a bit in the next episode or two to let the audience catch up. Loved the opening with Agent Carter & the Howling Commandos. Thought Fitz was really played well, given his situation. Wondering what Simmons is doing? Not real clear on who all the new characters are, but I guess we’ll learn more as we go along. Looks like the team is going to be needing some super powered backup soon… ---
**Author:** ![Alessan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alessan/32/465_2.png) [@Alessan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alessan)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2014, 8:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-shield-shadows-s02e01-open-spoilers/699339/51 "2014-09-24T20:16:14Z")
> [@Telemark](#): > > Correct, that was Dum Dum Dugan in the Bowler hat I though I recognized that big stupid baby head. ---
**Author:** ![muldoonthief](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/muldoonthief/32/3188_2.png) [@muldoonthief](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/muldoonthief)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2014, 8:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-shield-shadows-s02e01-open-spoilers/699339/52 "2014-09-24T20:31:52Z")
> [@Lightray](#): > > Knowing that Hawkguy shoots very pointy arrows at people, I suspected some harm may have been intended. And although Widow’s waif-fu seems to mostly KO opponents, I kinda suspected that someone called “Black Widow” at work may have caused some fatalities in the line of her work. > > Really, the founders of SHIELD – Peggy Carter and the Howling Commandoes – don’t seem the type to have been shy about necessary killing. We know the Robert Redford Hydra guy wasn’t averse to some killin’, so that leaves… Fury as the gentle voice of pacifism in establishing SHIELD’s operational guidelines? There’s a difference between planning a mission where lethal force is authorized, and even expected, in the furtherance of a goal - say rescuing a bunch of hostages from the galley of a ship - and planning a mission whose only goal is killing a particular individual. Also note that Agent Carter and the Howling Commandos just arrested all the Hydra agents they caught at the beginning of the episode, instead of tossing in a few grenades then laying down some 30 cal fire like any rational outnumbered fireteam would do. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2014, 8:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-shield-shadows-s02e01-open-spoilers/699339/53 "2014-09-24T20:32:33Z")
> [@Lightray](#): > > Really, the founders of SHIELD – Peggy Carter and the Howling Commandoes – Peggy Carter was not a member of the Howling Commandoes nor did they found SHIELD. ---
**Author:** ![Lightray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lightray/32/391_2.png) [@Lightray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lightray)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2014, 8:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-shield-shadows-s02e01-open-spoilers/699339/54 "2014-09-24T20:43:12Z")
> [@DrDeth](#): > > Peggy Carter was not a member of the Howling Commandoes nor did they found SHIELD. Ah, pedantry. Peggy Carter was one of the founder of SHIELD, yes? And it’s been implied for the hiatus series that one (or more) of the Howling Commandoes was involved as well. Probably Tripp’s grandfather. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2014, 8:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-shield-shadows-s02e01-open-spoilers/699339/55 "2014-09-24T20:46:43Z")
> [@Lightray](#): > > Ah, pedantry. Peggy Carter was one of the founder of SHIELD, yes? And it’s been implied for the hiatus series that one (or more) of the Howling Commandoes was involved as well. Probably Tripp’s grandfather. Ah well, see I am thinking Comics, not Film. In the comics she was a rather tough member of the Resistance, who was Caps girlfriend. ---
**Author:** ![Lightray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lightray/32/391_2.png) [@Lightray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lightray)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2014, 8:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-shield-shadows-s02e01-open-spoilers/699339/56 "2014-09-24T20:49:20Z")
Yeah, TV Peggy is much cooler. ---
**Author:** ![randwill](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/a3d4f5/32.png) [@randwill](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/randwill)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2014, 9:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-shield-shadows-s02e01-open-spoilers/699339/57 "2014-09-24T21:08:23Z")
I actually expected Fitz to be totally cured by the end of the episode as is the norm in episode television drama. I’m glad they seem to be taking a more realistic approach. I’m reminded of “House”. At every commercial break the patient of the week would be facing some bloody, life-threatening, convulsing event. When they came back from the break the terrible issue had been resolved, often so quickly and easily that I missed what the resolution was before getting back from the kitchen/bathroom. ---
**Author:** ![RikWriter](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/49beb7/32.png) [@RikWriter](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RikWriter)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2014, 12:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-shield-shadows-s02e01-open-spoilers/699339/58 "2014-09-25T00:56:29Z")
> [@emarkp](#): > > Uh, I’d generally recommend not taking your facts from Cracked articles. They’re amusing, but every single time they’ve touched on something I have direct knowledge of, they’re wildly wrong. > > In this case, they spend a lot of time about the pre-flight checks being a time limiter. You mean the list that you skip if you’re trying to escape? Yah, that list. Check lists are for safety, reliability and repeatability. Not for drama. Yeah, a Cracked article recently said that it takes 90 minutes of vigorous exercise to burn off 130 calories. Not. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2014, 2:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-shield-shadows-s02e01-open-spoilers/699339/59 "2014-09-25T02:07:57Z")
> [@emarkp](#): > > Uh, I’d generally recommend not taking your facts from Cracked articles. They’re amusing, but every single time they’ve touched on something I have direct knowledge of, they’re wildly wrong. > > In this case, they spend a lot of time about the pre-flight checks being a time limiter. You mean the list that you skip if you’re trying to escape? Yah, that list. Check lists are for safety, reliability and repeatability. Not for drama. I’ll admit I’m no pilot. But fifteen minutes seems reasonable even without flight checks. Does an unmanned plane parked on a runway even have fuel in it? ---
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2014, 2:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/agents-of-shield-shadows-s02e01-open-spoilers/699339/60 "2014-09-25T02:29:42Z")
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