# Aggressively violent imagery - equal among both parties? **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [January 11, 2011, 4:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/aggressively-violent-imagery-equal-among-both-parties/567228 "2011-01-11T16:29:41Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 19\ **Page:** 18
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2011, 6:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/aggressively-violent-imagery-equal-among-both-parties/567228/341 "2011-01-13T18:33:24Z")
> [@yorick73](#): > > Both were nothing more than assassination porn for the left. Baker wrote the book because of his fury over Iraq. Range used the assassination of GW Bush to probe ideas about racial profiling, just war, civil disobedience, and civil liberties. Whether or not either was digested by the left is beside the point. Do you measure Palins intent by how many eyes saw her graphic? It was a British movie, for fuck’s sake. ---
**Author:** ![gonzomax](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e8c25b/32.png) [@gonzomax](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gonzomax)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2011, 9:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/aggressively-violent-imagery-equal-among-both-parties/567228/342 "2011-01-13T21:08:23Z")
[http://www.kgun9.com/Global/story.asp?S=13834898](http://www.kgun9.com/Global/story.asp?S=13834898) Loughner’s old girlfriend has surfaced. She said he" called the government crap, a big thing that was trying to take over everything and we had no say in anything,that we were controlled 100 percent" Sounds like Beck and Rush to me . Back a generation or so ago, Joe Macarthy started a national with hunt for commies. He stirred up the people with his soapbox in the Senate. You can whip the crazies up with scary rhetoric. Scared people can be controlled. He was an anti government, right winger, who loved guns . He plotted killing Giffords and called it an assassination. He plotted it for some time. No way he is a lefty. ---
**Author:** ![Kearsen](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/82dd89/32.png) [@Kearsen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kearsen)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2011, 9:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/aggressively-violent-imagery-equal-among-both-parties/567228/343 "2011-01-13T21:33:57Z")
> [@gonzomax](#): > > [http://www.kgun9.com/Global/story.asp?S=13834898](http://www.kgun9.com/Global/story.asp?S=13834898) > Loughner’s old girlfriend has surfaced. She said he" called the government crap, a big thing that was trying to take over everything and we had no say in anything,that we were controlled 100 percent" > Sounds like Beck and Rush to me . > Back a generation or so ago, Joe Macarthy started a national with hunt for commies. He stirred up the people with his soapbox in the Senate. You can whip the crazies up with scary rhetoric. Scared people can be controlled. > He was an anti government, right winger, who loved guns . He plotted killing Giffords and called it an assassination. He plotted it for some time. > No way he is a lefty. You sir are brilliant…! ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2011, 9:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/aggressively-violent-imagery-equal-among-both-parties/567228/344 "2011-01-13T21:40:59Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > About half of those things I either don’t approve of or think is particularly wonderful in the first place, and of the remaining half I’m unsure that liberalsim is responsible for half of it. So maybe a quarter of the things you mention are worthy of thanking “fucking LIBERALS” for. But even if I were to grant everything you mentioned to the wonders of liberalism, they’re nowhere near worth the negative impact that liberalism has had upon this country in the last 40 years - an impact that has not only resulted in what is probably the most coarse, vulgar and low class society in the western world, but which is literally responsible for millions of lost and ruined lives, lives that wouldn’t have been lost or ruined in the society that existed prior to the late sixties, the problems and inequities of that time notwithstanding. This snippet from the Digby site sums up the hypocrisy quite well: _“I think my favorite right wing gambit is their ability to pivot from being aggressive defenders of the right to say and do anything in a free country to a bunch of Victorian spinsters calling for the smelling salts over the ill-mannered behavior of their political opponents ---- in the same day!”_ I could say more, but not nearly as well. It’s all about hypocrisy. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2011, 10:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/aggressively-violent-imagery-equal-among-both-parties/567228/345 "2011-01-13T22:01:22Z")
Well, now, cut him some slack. The last surviving member of the Ozzie and Harriet clan passed away couple days back, and the boy’s kinda tore up. ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2011, 10:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/aggressively-violent-imagery-equal-among-both-parties/567228/346 "2011-01-13T22:36:37Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > Well, now, cut him some slack. The last surviving member of the Ozzie and Harriet clan passed away couple days back, and the boy’s kinda tore up. I heard that on the radio, and they said he was 75 - 76 something like that. I used to watch that show as a kid. That means I’m getting old too. Noooooooooooooooooo! :eek: ---
**Author:** ![Ludovic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/7ab992/32.png) [@Ludovic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ludovic)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2011, 10:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/aggressively-violent-imagery-equal-among-both-parties/567228/347 "2011-01-13T22:42:09Z")
> [@Kearsen](#): > > You sir are brilliant…! It’s actually spot on for once, if the girlfriend quote is accurate. At least, it is when the rightards are criticising government that they don’t like. Then they are all about “pretty soon government will control EVERYTHING”. So using the right’s own rhetoric, Loughner is one of them. Ironically, in the reality-based community, neither party has a monopoly on control, because institutionalized discrimination and secret prison camps are pretty controlling, too. ---
**Author:** ![Garfield226](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/9e8a1a/32.png) [@Garfield226](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Garfield226)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2011, 10:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/aggressively-violent-imagery-equal-among-both-parties/567228/348 "2011-01-13T22:57:42Z")
> [@Ludovic](#): > > It’s actually spot on for once, if the girlfriend quote is accurate. At least, it is when the rightards are criticising government that they don’t like. Then they are all about “pretty soon government will control EVERYTHING”. > > So using the right’s own rhetoric, Loughner is one of them. > > Ironically, in the reality-based community, neither party has a monopoly on control, because institutionalized discrimination and secret prison camps are pretty controlling, too. Any particular reason you’re giving more weight to one girl who knew him in high school than [another](http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:zz2EmegRgIMJ:twitter.com/caitieparker/status/23853016876589057+caitie+parker+twitter&cd=2&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us)? Oh, wait…I think I know why… ---
**Author:** ![Ludovic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/7ab992/32.png) [@Ludovic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ludovic)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2011, 11:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/aggressively-violent-imagery-equal-among-both-parties/567228/349 "2011-01-13T23:01:40Z")
> [@Garfield226](#): > > Any particular reason you’re giving more weight to one girl who knew him in high school than [another](http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:zz2EmegRgIMJ:twitter.com/caitieparker/status/23853016876589057+caitie+parker+twitter&cd=2&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us)? > > Oh, wait…I think I know why… Who said I am giving more weight? ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2011, 11:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/aggressively-violent-imagery-equal-among-both-parties/567228/350 "2011-01-13T23:06:03Z")
> [@SteveG1](#): > > I heard that on the radio, and they said he was 75 - 76 something like that. I used to watch that show as a kid. That means I’m getting old too. Noooooooooooooooooo! :eek: Yep, just like David did. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2011, 3:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/aggressively-violent-imagery-equal-among-both-parties/567228/351 "2011-01-14T03:00:03Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > Yep, just like David did. > > 😉 or maybe, _Brother Maynard : It says: “Here may be found the last words of Joseph of Aramethia. He who is valiant and pure of spirit may find the Holy Grail in the Castle of AAAhhahhhhahhaaa.” Arthur: What? Brother Maynard : The Castle of AAahaahhaaaaaa. Sir Bedemere: What, he’s dead? Brother Maynard: He must’ve died while carving it._ ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2011, 3:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/aggressively-violent-imagery-equal-among-both-parties/567228/352 "2011-01-14T03:39:44Z")
😃 ---
**Author:** ![The\_Tao\_s\_Revenge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/73ab20/32.png) [@The\_Tao\_s\_Revenge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Tao_s_Revenge)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2011, 2:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/aggressively-violent-imagery-equal-among-both-parties/567228/353 "2011-01-14T14:47:53Z")
> [@Magiver](#): > > Yes, I can name an equivalent of Fox News that talks about death panels. Meet ABC and their coverage of government denial of health care: > [Patient Cut From Transplant List Dies: Arizona’s Death Panel?](http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504763_162-20027668-10391704.html) > > And it talks about Arizona so… to answer your question, no. So let me get this straight. Conservatives whine about Death Panels, then institute them? What kind of spineless lying evil fucks are they? Where was the Free Market? Thanks for the confirmation which party actively despises the people they’re supposed to be serving. Arizona: State Senate: 70% Republican State House: 67% Republican Governor: Republican ---
**Author:** ![Magiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/4491bb/32.png) [@Magiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Magiver)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2011, 7:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/aggressively-violent-imagery-equal-among-both-parties/567228/354 "2011-01-15T07:09:08Z")
> [@The\_Tao\_s\_Revenge](#): > > So let me get this straight. Conservatives whine about Death Panels, then institute them? What kind of spineless lying evil fucks are they? Where was the Free Market? Thanks for the confirmation which party actively despises the people they’re supposed to be serving. > > Arizona: > State Senate: 70% Republican > State House: 67% Republican > Governor: Republican The free market is alive and well. What you are referring to is government health care. They operate on a budget. ---
**Author:** ![Lightnin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lightnin/32/180_2.png) [@Lightnin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lightnin)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2011, 1:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/aggressively-violent-imagery-equal-among-both-parties/567228/355 "2011-01-15T13:27:20Z")
> [@yorick73](#): > > Both were nothing more than assassination porn for the left. Baker wrote the book because of his fury over Iraq. Range used the assassination of GW Bush to probe ideas about racial profiling, just war, civil disobedience, and civil liberties. Whether or not either was digested by the left is beside the point. Do you measure Palins intent by how many eyes saw her graphic? Art has a long, proud history of being inspired by, and protesting, political events. Are Glenn Beck’s books “Right-wing Porn”? How about the movie _Red Dawn_? Is that also “porn”? > [@yorick73](#): > > Yes, I brought them up in one sentence 6 pages ago. I’ve seen you respond to little else in this thread. You are welcome to believe that you have corrected me if it makes you feel better Forgive me for focusing. I’m fairly busy, so picking on topic and sticking to it works better for me. Is there something else you’d prefer that I talk about? Why is that, exactly? > [@yorick73](#): > > I’ve already answered that question. You, on the other hand, seem to be implying that Palin deliberately instigated violence. Maybe Palin should have made a movie about the assassination of all those legislators she was targeting…then it would have just been considered “entertainment” :rolleyes: Once again, I have \*specifically \*said that I doubted Loughner was inspired by any actions by the Right. What I \*am \*saying, though, is that both sides should take this as a cautionary tale and take this opportunity to calm things down. Try reading what I’ve posted, instead of what you find most convenient to take offense from. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Tao\_s\_Revenge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/73ab20/32.png) [@The\_Tao\_s\_Revenge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Tao_s_Revenge)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2011, 2:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/aggressively-violent-imagery-equal-among-both-parties/567228/356 "2011-01-15T14:12:17Z")
> [@Magiver](#): > > The free market is alive and well. What you are referring to is government health care. They operate on a budget. So why did it allow those people to die preventable deaths, if it’s so much better? What kind of heartless evil monster is it? The down on their luck deserve to suffer agony and perish? That’s the message? How about the people who lost their jobs recently. Should they develop a similar condition. Do they deserve death too? How many people will your bloody selfish ideology murder? Further you are incorrect. They operate on a Republican imposed budget. Republicans killed those people. After being spineless hypocrites whining about death panels. The blood from those deaths is on the hands of people who voted Republican. Anyone who voted Republican in Arizona is an accomplice to murder. ---
**Author:** ![Magiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/4491bb/32.png) [@Magiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Magiver)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2011, 8:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/aggressively-violent-imagery-equal-among-both-parties/567228/357 "2011-01-15T20:04:27Z")
> [@The\_Tao\_s\_Revenge](#): > > So why did it allow those people to die preventable deaths, if it’s so much better? They died because government care is based on a finite budget. There will always be a limit on medical procedures in a universal care system. [A similar example in the UK](http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/england/derbyshire/7118607.stm). > [@The\_Tao\_s\_Revenge](#): > > How many people will your bloody selfish ideology murder? :rolleyes: Nobody is being murdered. > [@The\_Tao\_s\_Revenge](#): > > Further you are incorrect. They operate on a Republican imposed budget. Republicans killed those people. After being spineless hypocrites whining about death panels. Is it a death panel when people in the UK die waiting for medical service? There’s no hypocrisy involved in dealing with a limited health care budget which is what has to occur in a government program. If the money isn’t there then the worst cost/benefit item gets cut. How you don’t understand this after all the threads discussing this is mind boggling. People who cannot afford any health care are getting the best care that their government can provide for them with the money available. Did you somehow think prior to this reduction that Medicaid covered everything? Do you not understand the incredible amount of money spent on people who are in the last stages of life? It’s real money, not monopoly money. When it’s gone, it’s gone. > [@The\_Tao\_s\_Revenge](#): > > The blood from those deaths is on the hands of people who voted Republican. Anyone who voted Republican in Arizona is an accomplice to murder. The “blood” is on the hands of the taxpayer who does not have an infinite pocket of money just like any other publicly funded health care system. I can think of 14 trillion reasons why it’s going to get worse. When money is spent that doesn’t exist than it has to be repaid with interest which means less money will be there in the future ensuring more cuts. If Arizona keeps to a budget they will have more money available in the future for care. Something for you to think about. There are a quarter million illegal aliens living in Arizona. They have “free” healthcare in Mexico. Should we bill Mexico for services rendered or just ship them back so they can get the care owed to them by their country? If not, should we offer transportation to every other 3rd world country for free medical care? Since this has NOTHING to do with the thread I invite you to take your hate-filled political rant and start a new thread. ---
**Author:** ![Condescending\_Robot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/a183cd/32.png) [@Condescending\_Robot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Condescending_Robot)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2011, 12:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/aggressively-violent-imagery-equal-among-both-parties/567228/358 "2011-01-16T00:39:44Z")
> [@Magiver](#): > > Is it a death panel when people in the UK die waiting for medical service? There’s no hypocrisy involved in dealing with a limited health care budget which is what has to occur in a government program. If the money isn’t there then the worst cost/benefit item gets cut. How you don’t understand this after all the threads discussing this is mind boggling. People who cannot afford any health care are getting the best care that their government can provide for them with the money available. Did you somehow think prior to this reduction that Medicaid covered everything? Do you not understand the incredible amount of money spent on people who are in the last stages of life? It’s real money, not monopoly money. When it’s gone, it’s gone. In the coming years, I expect both Republicans who acted so outraged about “death panels” and Democrats who acted as if the very notion was the equivalent of believing in an alien conspiracy to continue discovering supply, demand, and cost as you have here. > [@](#): > > Something for you to think about. There are a quarter million illegal aliens living in Arizona. They have “free” healthcare in Mexico. Should we bill Mexico for services rendered or just ship them back so they can get the care owed to them by their country? If not, should we offer transportation to every other 3rd world country for free medical care? > > Since this has NOTHING to do with the thread I invite you to take your hate-filled political rant and start a new thread. “MEXICANS! MEXICANS! MEXICANS! IT’S THE MEXICANS FAULT! No hate-filled irrelevant rants please…” ---
**Author:** ![Magiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/4491bb/32.png) [@Magiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Magiver)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2011, 5:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/aggressively-violent-imagery-equal-among-both-parties/567228/359 "2011-01-16T05:17:46Z")
> [@Condescending\_Robot](#): > > In the coming years, I expect both Republicans who acted so outraged about “death panels” and Democrats who acted as if the very notion was the equivalent of believing in an alien conspiracy to continue discovering supply, demand, and cost as you have here. Republicans can count. > > “MEXICANS! MEXICANS! MEXICANS! IT’S THE MEXICANS FAULT! No hate-filled irrelevant rants please…” Yes, somehow mentioning a burden on Arizona’s health care budget is a hate filled rant. :rolleyes: [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/aggressively-violent-imagery-equal-among-both-parties/567228.md?page=17)