# Ahh, yet another tale of cum guzzling asshatted teens and their parents **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [May 11, 2003, 10:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ahh-yet-another-tale-of-cum-guzzling-asshatted-teens-and-their-parents/174556 "2003-05-11T22:24:35Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Road\_Rash](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/a8b319/32.png) [@Road\_Rash](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Road_Rash)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2003, 12:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ahh-yet-another-tale-of-cum-guzzling-asshatted-teens-and-their-parents/174556/21 "2003-05-12T00:15:04Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Brutus \* > \*\*What the hell is wrong with young athletes? And what other high-school group is it acceptable to mock, **Zabali\_Clawbane**? Those frootloops in band? Those annoying drama-club kids? > > I am going to take a wild guess and say that you participated in few, if any, highschool sports. Your loss. But why the unholy fuck would you hold it against those who do? \*\* Female high school juniors? You mock them. Don’t be getting “oh, those persecuted atheletes” on us. Any school group that got caught in a similar situation would have similar consequenses. The stakes may be a little higher only in that athletic scholorships are sweet. Band members have gotten in trouble before. The Texas Southern University band got in deep doodoo for shoplifting, in Japan, around 1989. Oh, but the jocks are such a reviled group! It does not matter which ones are acceptable to mock. The ones that you consider unacceptable for mocking DO get mocked. ---
**Author:** ![Brutus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/91b2a8/32.png) [@Brutus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Brutus)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2003, 12:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ahh-yet-another-tale-of-cum-guzzling-asshatted-teens-and-their-parents/174556/22 "2003-05-12T00:19:34Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Zabali\_Clawbane \* > **…I was expressing my contempt at the parents who hand athletes anything they want on a silver platter, just because they can kick a ball, or tackle hard. They should be rewarding good grades, and good citizenship…** No, you were not. You were expressing contempt for athletes. ‘Jocky-wocky’ is not a complimentary term. But I suppose athletes are not on the ‘protected groups’ list, and are fair game. I seriously doubt you were as involved with sports as you claim to have been. But, being that this is the wild and anonymous internet, we’ll never know. ---
**Author:** ![Brutus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/91b2a8/32.png) [@Brutus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Brutus)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2003, 12:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ahh-yet-another-tale-of-cum-guzzling-asshatted-teens-and-their-parents/174556/23 "2003-05-12T00:21:42Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Road Rash \* > \*\*Female high school juniors? You mock them…It does not matter which ones are acceptable to mock. The ones that you consider unacceptable for mocking DO get mocked. \*\* If this is a weak attempt at linking this to hazing, well…it remains weak. ---
**Author:** ![Ms2001](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ms2001/32/18463_2.png) [@Ms2001](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ms2001)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2003, 12:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ahh-yet-another-tale-of-cum-guzzling-asshatted-teens-and-their-parents/174556/24 "2003-05-12T00:40:22Z")
I must agree with the other posters as to the normalcy of young men visiting strip clubs. The guys I went to high school with talked about it every Friday. If the parents or students in question are protesting their punishment, well, they’re idiots. They signed the code of conduct; they knew what it said. What they should be protesting is the code of conduct itself. What possible impact could a visit to a strip club have on with one’s ability to play baseball or represent the team? ---
**Author:** ![Zabali\_Clawbane](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/ecd19e/32.png) [@Zabali\_Clawbane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zabali_Clawbane)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2003, 12:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ahh-yet-another-tale-of-cum-guzzling-asshatted-teens-and-their-parents/174556/25 "2003-05-12T00:46:21Z")
It was mimicking the tone of voice the parents use when speaking of their “talented” offspring. I’ve heard enough of them in this town, and their voices get sickeningly sweet when the relate tales of “precious jocky wocky”. Are you really going to tell me what my own motivations happen to be? You truly think you are that all knowing? BULLSHIT!!! Here is a link, to prove that part of what I said really happened. Look at the year 1986, 3A size schools. You will see the last name of Mater, (her first name is Sandra), under the city name of Hoisington. (Not where I currently live btw.) She was on the team my freshman and sophomore years. The last I knew, her record STILL stands, tied, but unbroken all these years later. Now, if that part of what I said is true, don’t you think the rest is too? The record was set at state competition. [Girls Cross Country Records](http://kansas.ihigh.com/sports/records/ccg.html) ---
**Author:** ![Zabali\_Clawbane](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/ecd19e/32.png) [@Zabali\_Clawbane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zabali_Clawbane)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2003, 12:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ahh-yet-another-tale-of-cum-guzzling-asshatted-teens-and-their-parents/174556/26 "2003-05-12T00:50:59Z")
Hmmm, ok I thought it gave times on that page. I know I saw the times, and records set. Back to find the actual record. Sandra Mater does hold the record for 3A size schools in cross country, for the state of Kansas. She also still had some sprinting records on the board the last time I checked. ---
**Author:** ![Alereon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ecd19e/32.png) [@Alereon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alereon)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2003, 12:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ahh-yet-another-tale-of-cum-guzzling-asshatted-teens-and-their-parents/174556/27 "2003-05-12T00:57:28Z")
The code of ethics contained a stupid rule. The way one gets rid of stupid rules is by being busted under them, then complaining your ass off. These kids were having a good time, and not hurting anyone. Who the fuck cares? **Payton’s Servant** , I suggest you remove the stick from your ass. ---
**Author:** ![squeegee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/squeegee/32/14537_2.png) [@squeegee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/squeegee)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2003, 1:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ahh-yet-another-tale-of-cum-guzzling-asshatted-teens-and-their-parents/174556/28 "2003-05-12T01:04:07Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Mr2001 \* > What possible impact could a visit to a strip club have on with one’s ability to play baseball or represent the team? Um, it is illegal. As is underaged drinking . As is a parent taking these kids to to strip bar and getting them served alcohol. And the kids were on a school sponsored trip, so the school is responsible for them and should have something to say about all of this. You don’t have a problem with underaged kids committing illegal acts while under school supervision? Who’s the asshat? ---
**Author:** ![Brutus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/91b2a8/32.png) [@Brutus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Brutus)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2003, 1:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ahh-yet-another-tale-of-cum-guzzling-asshatted-teens-and-their-parents/174556/29 "2003-05-12T01:15:58Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by squeegee \* > \*\*Um, it is illegal. As is underaged drinking . As is a parent taking these kids to to strip bar and getting them served alcohol. And the kids were on a school sponsored trip, so the school is responsible for them and should have something to say about all of this. > > You don’t have a problem with underaged kids committing illegal acts while under school supervision? > > Who’s the asshat? \*\* The ‘illegal’ here is ‘American Bizarrely Puritanical Morality Laws’ illegal, such as ‘underage’ drinking. Then we have ‘Cut people into little peices’ illegal, which is not what happened here. If we were talking about a sexually active gay teen in some states, they would also be breaking the law. Should they be expelled? Punished? ---
**Author:** ![squeegee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/squeegee/32/14537_2.png) [@squeegee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/squeegee)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2003, 1:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ahh-yet-another-tale-of-cum-guzzling-asshatted-teens-and-their-parents/174556/30 "2003-05-12T01:26:01Z")
OK, then **Brutus** , defender teen liberties, where would you draw the line, if not at underage drinking and underage attendance at strip clubs? Is it OK for the 14-year-old freshmen to also get blasted and oggle topless women along with the seniors? Is it OK for the cheerleaders to give hummers in the bleachers for cash? Or only for scholarship points? What illegal substances is it OK for 17-year-olds to possess? Or Sell? How about handguns in lockers? Is this for seniors, or only for letter men? Or can the sophmores also possess weapons on campus? Any of these rules are obviously stupid and bizarre puritan crap, and should probably be disregarded, right? ---
**Author:** ![John\_Carter\_of\_Mars](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/2bfe46/32.png) [@John\_Carter\_of\_Mars](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Carter_of_Mars)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2003, 1:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ahh-yet-another-tale-of-cum-guzzling-asshatted-teens-and-their-parents/174556/31 "2003-05-12T01:28:12Z")
Re: The loss of scholarship question: Those parents are blowin’ smoke on that one. Unless this is a very unusual high school baseball team, there will be from zero to two players that earn a baseball scholarship to college. More parents may want aid for their kids, but it’s unlikely to be forthcoming. Most baseball scholarships are “partials” anyway: 1/5, 1/4 or in some cases 1/2 of what a full scholarship would be. The parents have a better chance of getting their kid’s college financed through a lawsuit over this than they do an actual baseball scholarship. FWIW, I went to my first “strip show” at age 14. _shrug_ The only big deal I see here is that a parent was involved in helping them out. ---
**Author:** ![Tony\_Barber\_s\_Underwear](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/58f4c7/32.png) [@Tony\_Barber\_s\_Underwear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tony_Barber_s_Underwear)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2003, 1:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ahh-yet-another-tale-of-cum-guzzling-asshatted-teens-and-their-parents/174556/32 "2003-05-12T01:29:38Z")
I would have thought that a bunch of blokes who enjoy going to strip clubs would most definitely **not** be cum-guzzlers. ---
**Author:** ![Zabali\_Clawbane](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/ecd19e/32.png) [@Zabali\_Clawbane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zabali_Clawbane)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2003, 1:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ahh-yet-another-tale-of-cum-guzzling-asshatted-teens-and-their-parents/174556/33 "2003-05-12T01:36:07Z")
Well, maybe… but there are such things as male strip shows too. Did the article specify what gender the strippers were? 😃 ::d & r:: ---
**Author:** ![MysteryFellow63427](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/a88e4f/32.png) [@MysteryFellow63427](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MysteryFellow63427)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2003, 1:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ahh-yet-another-tale-of-cum-guzzling-asshatted-teens-and-their-parents/174556/34 "2003-05-12T01:58:28Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by squeegee \* > **OK, then Brutus, defender teen liberties, where would you draw the line, if not at underage drinking and underage attendance at strip clubs?** I’d like to field this one, Skip. > [@](#): > > Is it OK for the 14-year-old freshmen to also get blasted and oggle topless women along with the seniors? Yes. > [@](#): > > Is it OK for the cheerleaders to give hummers in the bleachers for cash? Or only for scholarship points? Hmm, this one is more difficult. Yes, as long as they are blowing fellow students, and are not being pimped. For scholarship points is a tougher scenario, since administrators from colleges are unlikely to be hanging around high school football stadiums. > [@](#): > > What illegal substances is it OK for 17-year-olds to possess? Or Sell? Marijuana and alcohol, though I wouldn’t recommend they sell either. > [@](#): > > How about handguns in lockers? Is this for seniors, or only for letter men? Or can the sophmores also possess weapons on campus? No, that’s no good at all, when weapons are involved a good time simply cannot be had by all. > [@](#): > > Any of these rules are obviously stupid and bizarre puritan crap, and should probably be disregarded, right? Son, what we have here is a failure to communicate. ---
**Author:** ![Sublight](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/439d5e/32.png) [@Sublight](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sublight)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2003, 1:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ahh-yet-another-tale-of-cum-guzzling-asshatted-teens-and-their-parents/174556/35 "2003-05-12T01:59:45Z")
At least this was non-destructive. The year after I finished high school, a group of seniors on the soccer team thought it would be a hoot to ride around town shooting the windshields of parked cars with a BB gun. They hit my car, my mom’s car, and about 30 others in the neighborhood. The parents pleaded with the owners of the damaged cars not to press charges, as it would hurt their pwecious babies chances of getting into college. In particular, one who wouldn’t be able to get into West Point if he had a criminal record. The charges were dropped in exchange for them paying to replace every damaged windshield. I was away at college at the time and didn’t hear about any of this until after it was finished and settled, otherwise I might have been willing to pay for the repairs myself in exchange for a day in court. ---
**Author:** ![Payton\_s\_Servant](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/3da27b/32.png) [@Payton\_s\_Servant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Payton_s_Servant)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2003, 2:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ahh-yet-another-tale-of-cum-guzzling-asshatted-teens-and-their-parents/174556/36 "2003-05-12T02:45:39Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Alereon \* > \*\*The code of ethics contained a stupid rule. The way one gets rid of stupid rules is by being busted under them, then complaining your ass off. These kids were having a good time, and not hurting anyone. Who the fuck cares? **Payton’s Servant** , I suggest you remove the stick from your ass. \*\* You, are an astonishingly stupid Fuck Nugget who obviously has no morals or ethics or manners. **The players violated a specific district code of conduct and a specific athletic code of conduct.** I do not have a stick up my ass. Tell me, **Alereon** , how would you feel if you came home and found your 16 year old son having sex with a girl? Would you give him a standing ovation? Hold up a lighter and yell for an encore? Offer them an after-sex cigarette? Invite the girl to stay for dinner? ---
**Author:** ![Revtim](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/revtim/32/1042_2.png) [@Revtim](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Revtim)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2003, 2:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ahh-yet-another-tale-of-cum-guzzling-asshatted-teens-and-their-parents/174556/37 "2003-05-12T02:51:20Z")
Have a go at her yourself? 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Brutus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/91b2a8/32.png) [@Brutus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Brutus)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2003, 3:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ahh-yet-another-tale-of-cum-guzzling-asshatted-teens-and-their-parents/174556/38 "2003-05-12T03:08:15Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Payton’s Servant \* > \*\*You, are an astonishingly stupid Fuck Nugget who obviously has no morals or ethics or manners. > > **The players violated a specific district code of conduct and a specific athletic code of conduct.** > > I do not have a stick up my ass. > > Tell me, **Alereon** , how would you feel if you came home and found your 16 year old son having sex with a girl? > > Would you give him a standing ovation? Hold up a lighter and yell for an encore? Offer them an after-sex cigarette? Invite the girl to stay for dinner? \*\* Jack Chick approves of your stand! ---
**Author:** ![FranticMad](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/c68b51/32.png) [@FranticMad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FranticMad)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2003, 3:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ahh-yet-another-tale-of-cum-guzzling-asshatted-teens-and-their-parents/174556/39 "2003-05-12T03:24:19Z")
Interesting news item. Since they are children, the parent who arranged this is solely responsible. Punish the parent; slap the kids’ wrists (lecture them with shaking jowls) but let them go scott free. Oh, by the way, I have no morals or ethics either, obviously. ---
**Author:** ![Lucretia](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/13edae/32.png) [@Lucretia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lucretia)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2003, 3:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ahh-yet-another-tale-of-cum-guzzling-asshatted-teens-and-their-parents/174556/40 "2003-05-12T03:52:58Z")
Given that these young men were, presumably, aware of the code of conduct and aware of the consequences of breaking it, I really don’t see that they have any real cause for complaint. However, as the mother of a 16 year old, I really can’t say I’d be over concerned about my son’s morals if I found he’d visited a strip club. I might have a talk with him about what was going on in his head about his view of women and healthy relationships with women, but honestly, wanting to go to a strip club is not that unexpected or unhealthy in a 16 or 17 year old boy. And, specifically addressing **Payton’s Servant** , if I somehow found that my son was having sex, I’d have pretty much the same discussion with him, including some reinforcement on the lessons about safety and responsibility that his father and I have been imparting to him for years, but again, I can’t say I’d be overly concerned about his moral state. 16 year olds have sex, and it’s not really an abnormal or alarming desire or action. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ahh-yet-another-tale-of-cum-guzzling-asshatted-teens-and-their-parents/174556.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ahh-yet-another-tale-of-cum-guzzling-asshatted-teens-and-their-parents/174556.md?page=3)