# Ahsoka (trailer in OP, spoilers as series airs) **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Tags:** tv-shows-scripted, disney-hulu\ **Created:** [April 7, 2023, 4:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ahsoka-trailer-in-op-spoilers-as-series-airs/982325 "2023-04-07T16:44:13Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 18\ **Page:** 17
**Author:** ![msmith537](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/d9b06d/32.png) [@msmith537](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/msmith537)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2023, 12:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ahsoka-trailer-in-op-spoilers-as-series-airs/982325/321 "2023-10-07T12:24:12Z")
> [@Omniscient](#): > > Late to the party. Some quick hits. > > Like Dawson as Ahsoka a ton. But didn’t like the portrayal in this series. Too aloof and snarky, that’s not Ahsoka. Bad writing and directing there. > > Really disliked Sabine here. Didn’t like the casting choice, the portrayal wasn’t too bad, but the character arc is so dumb. She’s a Mandalorian, not a Jedi. I know the whole “everyone has some aptitude for the Force” discussion, but I don’t like it. Saying if you try hard enough you can be a Jedi is dumb. And she literally levels up from not being able to move a cup to being able to force pull a lightsaber with perfect aim and then she’s force pushing Ezra in mid-air? That is lazy shitty fan-fic level writing. > > I didn’t like the way they characterized Thrawn in Rebels and I don’t like the carry over here. Lars’ voice acting is okay, but his look is wrong to my eye. The way Thrawn was sketched out in Heir to the Empire paints a much more formidable person. This Thrawn is like the old creepy uncle with a bad hairpiece. Thrawn should be built like a former Marine, not like a paunchy bureaucrat. Also, he seems to kind of be an idiot in this series too. > > Ezra was pretty solid. Not much to add there, but I’m not loving the whole hippy dippy vibe. That’s not the kid from Rebels. Sure, he’s gone native for 10 years, but that just felt off. > > Hera was just a trainwreck. Awful casting. Awful dialogue. Completely clueless as a character. She wasn’t the jokester on the Ghost, she was by far the most militaristic of the team and was the one working with Fulcrum in secret. To see her with zero political acumen and seemingly no support as a General is just a bizarre choice. This show would have been a lot better with less Hera and more Ahsoka. > > Baylan and Shin were great. Would have loved a lot more time with the two of them so we could see their master/apprentice dynamic more. Super sad that Ray died, and we won’t get to see him expand this role. I fully expect them to recast it, I think writing around him being gone will be tough. > > Do Star Wars stories have to be insufferably dumb? Like all the time? Andor and Rogue One mostly managed to write something that wasn’t paper thin. Maybe there was something here salvageable, but they really missed the mark. > > First off, the whole gimmick with the star map was nonsensical as shown. I read the link early in the thread that explains this was a map based on Perrgil migration routes…that makes perfect sense! It would have been great if the show actually showed us that somewhere. > > Episode one could have been either Ahsoka or Morgan deducing that Perrgil migration routes could be the key to finding Thrawn/Ezra. That kind of detective story followed by a map heist would have been interesting to watch play out over a couple episodes. Then the other antagonist does their own detective work following the break in to figure out what the map heist was about, that’s a fun and interesting story. You could have shown a lot of stuff with the Imperial sympathizers and the Republic’s poor management to flesh out this time period using that device. > > Also, a map of space whale migration routes would not be in some stupid ruin’s basement. It would have been in, say, the remains of the Jedi archive or maybe in some former Imperial database. It wouldn’t be some silly Indiana Jones scene. A more urban setting would have been a nice change of pace from Mando. > > The role and motivations of the Nightsisters is a total mystery still. Thats a problem. Maybe they’ll flesh it out in the coming season, but for how central they are to this story you probably needed to at least hint at something coherent. If you weren’t going to do that, you might as well have just used Morgan for all the witchy stuff and brought the others in next season. > > Sabine betraying everyone, including Ezra, by opening the door for Thrawn to come back is just garbage. And then everyone just sort of shrugs it off at the end? Seriously? That is dumb, dumb, dumb. You could have instead made this some sort of failure of her Jedi training if you were so committed to that story line. Like some kind of Luke in the cave thing that causes her to doubt herself, not just some selfish betrayal. > > All things considered; I think I might have preferred if this was more of an Ahsoka show than a Rebels live action sequel. I know the Mando/Book of Boba example isn’t exactly something you want to repeat, but I might have preferred a more Ahsoka focused season 1 and then maybe a Rebels team-up spin off as a season 2 crossover show. > > I would have been a lot more interested to learn about Ahsoka’s time as a lone Jedi in the wild. Her anxiety and her doubts. The challenges of being alone with no support while being hunted by Empire loyalists and Inquisitors. Tell us more about who this adult Ahsoka is now, then maybe later I’ll be interested in how she handles taking on a padawan. > > Anyways, enough of a rant. You all have mostly said all this before. I’ll be back if there’s a season 2, lol. Knowing nothing about any of these characters prior to the show, here are my thoughts: - I believe the Republic / Rebellion hands out the title “General” the same way investment banks hand out the “vice president” title. That is to say it’s basically a lower level of management they give to people in their 20s/30s to make them seem important. Which is why you’ve never seen generals Solo, Calrissian, or Hera with a command larger than a single ship or company of soldiers. “Admiral” is really when you “make partner” in the Alliance. - Ezra reminded me of Berkeley from Zombieland 2 - Sabine was not convincing as a Jedi OR a Mandalorian. Story-wise I agree with pretty much everything you said. Instead of making this “Rebels: The Live Action Series” they could have explored Ahsoka’s character a bit more. I like Star Wars as much as the next guy, but I shouldn’t have to watch all these series just to support the story. That kind of worked for Boba Fett because Fett never really DID anything, other than stand around looking cool as a bounty hunter. Except then Mando took all the cool Mandalorean bounty hunter shit leaving Boba Fett to became a sort of town councilman on Tatooine. ---
**Author:** ![Omniscient](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/omniscient/32/3290_2.png) [@Omniscient](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Omniscient)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2023, 7:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ahsoka-trailer-in-op-spoilers-as-series-airs/982325/322 "2023-10-07T19:11:20Z")
1. That wasn’t how she behaved in Mando or Boba. So this doesn’t hold up. 2. Nothing in the show actually demonstrated this supposed dichotomy. The only thing that really changed was her willingness to train Sabine following the WbW. ---
**Author:** ![Fair\_Rarity](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fair_rarity/32/153_2.png) [@Fair\_Rarity](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fair_Rarity)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2023, 9:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ahsoka-trailer-in-op-spoilers-as-series-airs/982325/323 "2023-10-07T21:52:57Z")
Kid and I discuss the failings of this like every day. And for us we just (like literally just now) decided this show tried to be too many things at once and therefore didn’t succeed fully at any one of them. Too many Rebels in a show about Ahsoka, too few Rebels if that’s what it really was (Zeb, Callus, Hondo, Rex, the other droid I think of as Marvin-esque). Instead of being a cash grab, it was a mythology grab, bringing up sad and depressing and gutting events and people to trick me into loving it because I had strong emotions towards it. But it wasn’t AWFUL. It just could have been better. Tighter. Another pass on the writing. I’ll watch a S2 if there is one. I just wanted to love it because Ahsoka might be my favorite SW character and it just wasn’t there. ---
**Author:** ![N9IWP](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/n9iwp/32/3154_2.png) [@N9IWP](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/N9IWP)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2023, 5:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ahsoka-trailer-in-op-spoilers-as-series-airs/982325/324 "2023-10-08T17:50:26Z")
I have to give props to the episode titles like “The Jedi, The Witch,and the Warlord” 😉 Overall I found it OK – not great, but I didn’t hate it either. Brian ---
**Author:** ![Alessan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alessan/32/465_2.png) [@Alessan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alessan)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2023, 10:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ahsoka-trailer-in-op-spoilers-as-series-airs/982325/325 "2023-10-08T22:25:48Z")
All in all, I’d put the season in the middle of the pack in terms of live-action Disney+ shows. In descending order: 1. _Andor_ 2. _Mandalorian_, Season 2. 3. _Mandalorian_, Season 1. 4. _Ahsoka_ 5. _Obi-Wan Kenobi_ 6. _Mandalorian_, Season 3. 7. _Book of Boba Fett_ While I had some major issues with it, I’d still call it a good show. I can’t say that about the seasons beneath it on the list. ---
**Author:** ![crazyjoe](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/f14d63/32.png) [@crazyjoe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crazyjoe)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2023, 11:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ahsoka-trailer-in-op-spoilers-as-series-airs/982325/326 "2023-10-08T23:01:03Z")
“I did a lot of unpredictable and unapproved stuff early in my career, and my master always backed me” –You mean the one who turned into a Sith Lord and killed a bunch of children? That master? Maybe he’s not the standard we should judge by. ---
**Author:** ![Pleonast](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pleonast/32/1183_2.png) [@Pleonast](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pleonast)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2023, 3:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ahsoka-trailer-in-op-spoilers-as-series-airs/982325/327 "2023-10-09T15:34:27Z")
Finally caught up to the end of Ahsoka, we enjoyed it. This is the most thematically “Star Wars” of the Disney shows. They’ve captured the tone and pacing perfectly of the original trilogy. The characters and locales are both interesting and memorable. The story is following the classic hero’s journey, with each character at a different point in the cycle. The Andor show was better written and acted, but it’s not as “Star Warsy” as the Ahsoka show. All the other shows are good, but not as great as these two. I’d rank them even better than Episodes 1-3 and 7-9. I’m kind of confounded by people who liked the original trilogy but not the Ahsoka show. I read the criticisms of this show and can’t understand why anyone would care about those things. That is, the criticisms aren’t wrong, they’re just totally missing the point of the show. They sound like the complaints people made in mid 1980s about the original trilogy. ---
**Author:** ![Alessan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alessan/32/465_2.png) [@Alessan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alessan)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2023, 3:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ahsoka-trailer-in-op-spoilers-as-series-airs/982325/328 "2023-10-09T15:40:20Z")
> [@Pleonast](#): > > I’m kind of confounded by people who liked the original trilogy but not the Ahsoka show. I read the criticisms of this show and can’t understand why anyone would care about those things. That is, the criticisms aren’t wrong, they’re just totally missing the point of the show. They sound like the complaints people made in mid 1980s about the original trilogy. I liked Ahsoka a lot, and I would have loved it if not for the ending. A SW story has to end with either a resolution, a revelation, or both. Episodes 4 an 6 had resolutions; Episode 5 had one hell of a revelation. Season 1 of Ahsoka had neither. Like others have noted, it felt like a midseason finale, the kind you get before a 6-week break. Not the end of a season. ---
**Author:** ![Horatius](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/horatius/32/3572_2.png) [@Horatius](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Horatius)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2023, 4:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ahsoka-trailer-in-op-spoilers-as-series-airs/982325/329 "2023-10-09T16:00:33Z")
> [@GuanoLad](#): > > That was deliberate. She was emotionally closed off due to her concern that her Master, Anakin, would rub off on her somehow. But after her ‘rebirth’ in the World Between Worlds, she opened up again, and the weight of the galaxy was lifted from her shoulders. But again, they didn’t really _show_ that. And that would have a been an interesting idea to build a series around: She’s one of the few who knows that Darth Vader was Anakin Skywalker, and not only that, knew him personally, grew up with him as a mentor before he turned to the dark side. Exploring that would have been very interesting. She’d have to be doubting everything she was ever taught by him, and sorting out the good from the bad would not be a trivial exercise. They touched on this lightly as her being a Jedi trained for war, rather than trained for peace, but they didn’t really lean on that. ---
**Author:** ![Darren\_Garrison](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/darren_garrison/32/92_2.png) [@Darren\_Garrison](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Darren_Garrison)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2023, 7:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ahsoka-trailer-in-op-spoilers-as-series-airs/982325/330 "2023-10-09T19:10:34Z")
What _I_ would really like to see is when Luke Skywalker meets Ahsoka for the first time, and hears stories about his parents. (And dispelled [the typical lies that Ben Kenobi loved to dish out]([YouTube](https://m.youtube.com/watch)? v=RkTibALwfNg).) ---
**Author:** ![DigitalC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ebca7d/32.png) [@DigitalC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DigitalC)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2023, 7:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ahsoka-trailer-in-op-spoilers-as-series-airs/982325/331 "2023-10-09T19:34:58Z")
Looks like we missed that already since they were already familiar in the Mandalorian. ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2023, 8:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ahsoka-trailer-in-op-spoilers-as-series-airs/982325/332 "2023-10-09T20:46:43Z")
I enjoyed the last episode, and the series overall. It did feel like a shorter episode, though. > [@Horatius](#): > > But again, they didn’t really _show_ that. It came across to me - not just the costume change, but she smiled more and was more open and warm. ---
**Author:** ![puzzlegal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/puzzlegal/32/3827_2.png) [@puzzlegal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/puzzlegal)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2023, 6:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ahsoka-trailer-in-op-spoilers-as-series-airs/982325/333 "2023-10-10T18:23:34Z")
moderating: > [@Darren\_Garrison](#): > > What _I_ would really like to see is when Luke Skywalker meets Ahsoka for the first time, and hears stories about his parents. (And dispelled [the typical lies that Ben Kenobi loved to dish out]([YouTube](https://m.youtube.com/watch)? > v=RkTibALwfNg).) Just to close the loop: after consulting with other mods, we felt a mod note was sufficient. But please be more circumspect about posting misogynistic memes, etc. in the future. It’s not a type of humor that’s welcome. ---
**Author:** ![DSeid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dseid/32/20194_2.png) [@DSeid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DSeid)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2023, 8:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ahsoka-trailer-in-op-spoilers-as-series-airs/982325/334 "2023-10-10T20:45:52Z")
> [@Pleonast](#): > > They’ve captured the tone and pacing perfectly of the original trilogy. That’s where our mileage varies. The pacing was relatively plodding relative to the originals. The tone was missing both the tension and the humor too. The sense of menace that Vader evoked is not captured by this version of Thrawn. The originals of course also had chemistry between the stars which set a tone that is absent here. ---
**Author:** ![Push\_You\_Down](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/push_you_down/32/9095_2.png) [@Push\_You\_Down](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Push_You_Down)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2023, 5:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ahsoka-trailer-in-op-spoilers-as-series-airs/982325/335 "2023-10-13T17:33:56Z")
> [@DSeid](#): > > That’s where our mileage varies. The pacing was relatively plodding relative to the originals. The tone was missing both the tension and the humor too. The sense of menace that Vader evoked is not captured by this version of Thrawn. The originals of course also had chemistry between the stars which set a tone that is absent here. Exactly. The parts of the show that worked WERE similar to the OT worked…there just wasn’t all that many. ---
**Author:** ![rocking\_chair](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rocking_chair/32/2918_2.png) [@rocking\_chair](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rocking_chair)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2023, 8:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ahsoka-trailer-in-op-spoilers-as-series-airs/982325/336 "2023-10-14T20:35:30Z")
I believe it flows together better when you watch it in one clip. A gloomy, dreary Saturday is just right. The music is really good and I like jacen’s green hair. ---
**Author:** ![Half\_Man\_Half\_Wit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/half_man_half_wit/32/21766_2.png) [@Half\_Man\_Half\_Wit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Half_Man_Half_Wit)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2023, 5:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ahsoka-trailer-in-op-spoilers-as-series-airs/982325/337 "2023-10-18T17:29:11Z")
The [honest trailer](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pHXDbVRxojo) for Ahsoka is brutally on point. 😁 ---
**Author:** ![vislor](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/vislor/32/5933_2.png) [@vislor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/vislor)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2023, 6:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ahsoka-trailer-in-op-spoilers-as-series-airs/982325/338 "2023-10-23T18:23:18Z")
Brilliant! That was good! Thanks for sharing! [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ahsoka-trailer-in-op-spoilers-as-series-airs/982325.md?page=16)