# Ahsoka (trailer in OP, spoilers as series airs) **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Tags:** tv-shows-scripted, disney-hulu\ **Created:** [April 7, 2023, 4:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ahsoka-trailer-in-op-spoilers-as-series-airs/982325 "2023-04-07T16:44:13Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 9
**Author:** ![Fair\_Rarity](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fair_rarity/32/153_2.png) [@Fair\_Rarity](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fair_Rarity)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2023, 9:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ahsoka-trailer-in-op-spoilers-as-series-airs/982325/161 "2023-09-14T21:33:09Z")
So are we going to see Hera get yelled at by the New Republic? Which, fair, I guess since it was brought up this week. But this is Ahsoka, not Hera, so on the other hand… why? And if we don’t, why bring it up all? Just some odd choices. And maybe it’s heretical, but I don’t like Jacen and maybe we could have briefly seen him and left him to be babysat by Zeb. I am looking forward to next week because at least it seems like it’s going to be new stuff? ---
**Author:** ![Half\_Man\_Half\_Wit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/half_man_half_wit/32/21766_2.png) [@Half\_Man\_Half\_Wit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Half_Man_Half_Wit)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2023, 9:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ahsoka-trailer-in-op-spoilers-as-series-airs/982325/162 "2023-09-15T09:41:46Z")
So what was that Sith Inquisitor guy exactly? He seemed to just sort of disperse when Ahsoka sliced him. Is there any precedent for this, from Rebels or Clone Wars perhaps? ---
**Author:** ![GuanoLad](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guanolad/32/42_2.png) [@GuanoLad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GuanoLad)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2023, 10:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ahsoka-trailer-in-op-spoilers-as-series-airs/982325/163 "2023-09-15T10:08:36Z")
Unknown, but the best guess is he was a resurrected (from death) Inquisitor under the power of the Witches of Dathomir, of which Morgan Elsbeth is a member. ---
**Author:** ![Darren\_Garrison](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/darren_garrison/32/92_2.png) [@Darren\_Garrison](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Darren_Garrison)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2023, 10:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ahsoka-trailer-in-op-spoilers-as-series-airs/982325/164 "2023-09-15T10:38:56Z")
> **[Spirit ichor](https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Spirit_ichor)** > > Spirit ichor was the base for all magic employed by the Nightsisters of Dathomir during the Clone Wars. According to Mother Talzin, it came from channeling the Winged Goddess and manifested as green smoke. Spirit ichor could be manipulated in a large... ---
**Author:** ![vislor](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/vislor/32/5933_2.png) [@vislor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/vislor)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2023, 3:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ahsoka-trailer-in-op-spoilers-as-series-airs/982325/165 "2023-09-15T15:34:42Z")
> [@Darren\_Garrison](#): > > Kind of like the previous time the World Between Worlds was used to save Ahsoka? Sadly, as much as I enjoyed Rebels, it didn’t stick with me. I also didn’t see Clone Wars, so didn’t remember that it had already saved her. Maybe I’m okay with it if it’s shown she has a connection to it. Overall, though, yes, I don’t like deus ex machina’s. It feels cheap. > [@Fair\_Rarity](#): > > So are we going to see Hera get yelled at by the New Republic? Which, fair, I guess since it was brought up this week. But this is Ahsoka, not Hera, so on the other hand… why? And if we don’t, why bring it up all? Just some odd choices. Those are also good points. It does seem that some series spread out a bit more. I mean, BoBF had several episodes, the best ones, without BF in them. This series hasn’t exclusively focused on Ahsoka, either. I thought it weird that they sent three cruisers to return Hera. This isn’t an enemy but one of their own. So that much seemed off. Why not a shuttle? Then, the rank of officer they send, shows the politics. A lowly lieutenant? They are pissed. A captain, they are showing respect but want her back. What they did seemed overkill when they complained about things being spread out. Thanks for the discussion! ---
**Author:** ![Push\_You\_Down](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/push_you_down/32/9095_2.png) [@Push\_You\_Down](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Push_You_Down)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2023, 3:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ahsoka-trailer-in-op-spoilers-as-series-airs/982325/166 "2023-09-15T15:48:41Z")
Not just three cruisers… don’t they say it’s Home-1…which is the MAIN Rebel/Republic battleship? Since I have not seen much of Rebels or Clone Wars…I assumed this was a spirit world and that was Anakin’s force ghost…but I see a lot of references to it actually being some force god from Rebels? And/Or Anakin has now become that force god…::shrug:: And honestly… my feelings on this show are clear (its bad)… but if fans can’t tell if Ahsoka is trying to train Sabine as a Jedi or is just trying to train her to be…better?..the show needs to be clearer in its storytelling and not just go back “Hey remeber The Clone Wars?” or “Hey remember this episode of Rebels?” ---
**Author:** ![Whack-a-Mole](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/whack-a-mole/32/141_2.png) [@Whack-a-Mole](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Whack-a-Mole)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2023, 3:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ahsoka-trailer-in-op-spoilers-as-series-airs/982325/167 "2023-09-15T15:54:31Z")
> [@vislor](#): > > Sadly, as much as I enjoyed Rebels, it didn’t stick with me. I also didn’t see Clone Wars, so didn’t remember that it had already saved her. Maybe I’m okay with it if it’s shown she has a connection to it. > > Overall, though, yes, I don’t like deus ex machina’s. It feels cheap. I agree but I think the recent episode did a light touch on it (and it is consistent with previous stories). ---
**Author:** ![Darren\_Garrison](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/darren_garrison/32/92_2.png) [@Darren\_Garrison](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Darren_Garrison)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2023, 4:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ahsoka-trailer-in-op-spoilers-as-series-airs/982325/168 "2023-09-15T16:11:01Z")
> [@vislor](#): > > Sadly, as much as I enjoyed Rebels, it didn’t stick with me. I also didn’t see Clone Wars, so didn’t remember that it had already saved her. Very detailed description of the _Rebels_ episode: > **[A World Between Worlds](https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/A_World_Between_Worlds)** > > "A World Between Worlds" is the thirteenth episode of the fourth season of the animated television series Star Wars Rebels. The episode premiered on February 26, 2018. Now inside the Jedi Temple portal, Ezra finds himself in a place like no other.... ---
**Author:** ![kenobi\_65](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kenobi_65/32/13178_2.png) [@kenobi\_65](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kenobi_65)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2023, 4:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ahsoka-trailer-in-op-spoilers-as-series-airs/982325/169 "2023-09-15T16:20:41Z")
> [@Fair\_Rarity](#): > > But this is Ahsoka, not Hera, so on the other hand… why? While Ahsoka’s name is on the series, and she’s the center of it, it’s become clear that the series, as a whole, is a continuation of _Rebels_. ---
**Author:** ![DSeid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dseid/32/20194_2.png) [@DSeid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DSeid)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2023, 5:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ahsoka-trailer-in-op-spoilers-as-series-airs/982325/170 "2023-09-15T17:27:37Z")
It is interesting however that the animated series were, on the whole, much better and more … mature … than the live action ones have been. Dud animated episodes duly acknowledged. My sense is that the live action are bigger bets, costing more, fewer eps, more on the line, and that as a result the runners are risk averse, falling to safer bets with tried and true tropes and formulae, which paradoxically are less likely to really succeed, even if they also are less likely to completely fail. This is a fine show. But compared to Ashoka’s CW arc and all of Rebels it is meh, much more high production value old Saturday morning fare. Which again is … fine. ---
**Author:** ![Darren\_Garrison](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/darren_garrison/32/92_2.png) [@Darren\_Garrison](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Darren_Garrison)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2023, 5:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ahsoka-trailer-in-op-spoilers-as-series-airs/982325/171 "2023-09-15T17:29:16Z")
> [@DSeid](#): > > It is interesting however that the animated series were, on the whole, much better and more … mature … than the live action ones have been. Yes, I’ve definitely noticed how much more story is packed into an episode of _Rebels_ than in an episode of _Ahsoka_. ---
**Author:** ![Whack-a-Mole](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/whack-a-mole/32/141_2.png) [@Whack-a-Mole](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Whack-a-Mole)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2023, 5:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ahsoka-trailer-in-op-spoilers-as-series-airs/982325/172 "2023-09-15T17:47:10Z")
> [@kenobi\_65](#): > > While Ahsoka’s name is on the series, and she’s the center of it, it’s become clear that the series, as a whole, is a continuation of _Rebels_. Seems fine by me. Makes sense for continuity. Finally some show runner understands that the people who they should cater to are the long time fans who have watched shows like “Rebels” (and also that they are older now and not kids). Those who haven’t seen “Rebels” won’t care but those who have care a lot. ---
**Author:** ![Whack-a-Mole](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/whack-a-mole/32/141_2.png) [@Whack-a-Mole](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Whack-a-Mole)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2023, 5:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ahsoka-trailer-in-op-spoilers-as-series-airs/982325/173 "2023-09-15T17:55:40Z")
> [@DSeid](#): > > My sense is that the live action are bigger bets, costing more, fewer eps, more on the line, and that as a result the runners are risk averse… My money is on fewer episodes. All of what you listed matter but, when you have eight episodes and not 15 or 16 per season you are MUCH more limited in how the story is told. This is a trend I hate. I grew up on 25+ ST:TNG episodes a season and now, these days, they can barely fart out eight episodes and I may need to wait two years for the next bit? Fuck that. It sucks. ---
**Author:** ![kenobi\_65](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kenobi_65/32/13178_2.png) [@kenobi\_65](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kenobi_65)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2023, 6:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ahsoka-trailer-in-op-spoilers-as-series-airs/982325/174 "2023-09-15T18:00:36Z")
> [@Whack-a-Mole](#): > > Seems fine by me. Makes sense for continuity. Finally some show runner understands that the people who they should cater to are the long time fans who have watched shows like “Rebels” (and also that they are older now and not kids). It’s fine with me, as well. And, in fact, _Ahsoka_’s show runner, Dave Filoni, held the same role on _Clone Wars_ and _Rebels_ (and _The Mandalorian_), so he’s a key part of that continuity. ---
**Author:** ![DSeid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dseid/32/20194_2.png) [@DSeid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DSeid)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2023, 6:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ahsoka-trailer-in-op-spoilers-as-series-airs/982325/175 "2023-09-15T18:55:25Z")
Only appealing to a base that watched your animated shows is not enough to justify the investment. _Ideally_ the shows work at the level of a new viewer coming in completely naive to any history at all, _and_ have a level of appreciation that established fans pick up on that may be missed by new viewers, working well for them, _and_ serve as entry points for the new fans to go back and watch the previous shows in the spirit of prequels. Tricky to accomplish but necessary. ---
**Author:** ![Airbeck](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/airbeck/32/6574_2.png) [@Airbeck](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Airbeck)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2023, 8:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ahsoka-trailer-in-op-spoilers-as-series-airs/982325/176 "2023-09-15T20:22:01Z")
I never watched Clone Wars or Rebels and I’m enjoying Ahsoka quite a bit so far. ---
**Author:** ![Whack-a-Mole](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/whack-a-mole/32/141_2.png) [@Whack-a-Mole](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Whack-a-Mole)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2023, 8:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ahsoka-trailer-in-op-spoilers-as-series-airs/982325/177 "2023-09-15T20:44:46Z")
I don’t buy that. There are many examples of a series that dumbs things down and pretty much no one likes it. Stop worrying the audience is stupid. Lean in to what made the books popular. You will nab those who are invested in it and others besides. We saw this with the first few seasons of “Game of Thrones”. It was successful because it remained hard-core and embraced the complexity in the books. Had they diluted it and tamed it down it would have sucked. Then we see something like “The Witcher” which was ruined and failed because the show runners felt they needed to alter the source material to be more generically appealing. Fuck that. ---
**Author:** ![DSeid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dseid/32/20194_2.png) [@DSeid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DSeid)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2023, 11:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ahsoka-trailer-in-op-spoilers-as-series-airs/982325/178 "2023-09-15T23:28:34Z")
> [@Whack-a-Mole](#): > > There are many examples of a series that dumbs things down and pretty much no one likes it. Good thing I didn’t suggest dumbing things down. Great example currently of hitting the marks in my mind is Lower Decks. Easy to enjoy completely on its own with no past knowledge of Star Trek. Good goofy fun with characters we can care about. Even more fun if you know some of the references. And even more fun knowing that even as a fan of the previous shows you are missing stuff. Note enjoying the show does not require knowing references. OTOH some old eps of different ST properties are getting rewatched and watched for the first time because of some of the references. Not dumbed down. Just not aimed only at those who are already in group members of the club, no new fans need apply. To quote a pithy assessment: fuck that. ---
**Author:** ![Whack-a-Mole](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/whack-a-mole/32/141_2.png) [@Whack-a-Mole](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Whack-a-Mole)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2023, 4:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ahsoka-trailer-in-op-spoilers-as-series-airs/982325/179 "2023-09-16T04:48:41Z")
As mentioned, “Game of Thrones” was a huge success because it didn’t dilute the complexity of the books. Those who had not read the books just had to get themselves up to speed…and it was a huge success…until the end when they gave up on that formula. There is no gatekeeping. The goal should be to draw people in…not water things down so the barely interested might have a look. ---
**Author:** ![Half\_Man\_Half\_Wit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/half_man_half_wit/32/21766_2.png) [@Half\_Man\_Half\_Wit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Half_Man_Half_Wit)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2023, 6:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ahsoka-trailer-in-op-spoilers-as-series-airs/982325/180 "2023-09-16T06:18:34Z")
Ah, thanks. I remember now that this was a thing in _Fallen Order_, although even there I never quite understood how the witches’ magic fit in with the force as it’s usually portrayed. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ahsoka-trailer-in-op-spoilers-as-series-airs/982325.md?page=8) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ahsoka-trailer-in-op-spoilers-as-series-airs/982325.md?page=10)