# AIDS/HIV manufactured for Population Controll...? **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [November 14, 2000, 2:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/aids-hiv-manufactured-for-population-controll/41101 "2000-11-14T02:24:47Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 11\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Badtz\_Maru](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/e36b37/32.png) [@Badtz\_Maru](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Badtz_Maru)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2000, 11:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/aids-hiv-manufactured-for-population-controll/41101/41 "2000-11-15T23:33:09Z")
> [@](#): > > Um, assuming that these men have sex with women, shouldn’t those numbers be equal? How can the average man have sex with 12 women, but the average woman have sex with only 3 men? Well, a man might be having sex with several women, but each of those women is only having sex with that one man. ---
**Author:** ![Lemur866](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lemur866/32/434_2.png) [@Lemur866](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lemur866)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2000, 11:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/aids-hiv-manufactured-for-population-controll/41101/42 "2000-11-15T23:43:25Z")
Yeah, but that’s two women, in real life women do not outnumber men two to one. To calculate the average, add up the total number of partners, and divide by the number of women. Since the number of women is roughly equal to the number of men, the average number of partners should have to be equal as well. ---
**Author:** ![Lemur866](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lemur866/32/434_2.png) [@Lemur866](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lemur866)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2000, 11:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/aids-hiv-manufactured-for-population-controll/41101/43 "2000-11-15T23:55:02Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Esprix \* > \*\* > > > [@](#): > > > > _Originally posted by **Lemur866** _ > > > > Esprix: Here’s the thing. Women are much less likely to want to sleep with strangers than men are. This is simply a common sense observation, I haven’t done any research, just observations of the people around me. Is this a controversial assertion? > > Yes, because my own direct experience is that my female friends get more than my male friends. This is why “common sense observations” aren’t. > > Esprix \*\* Hmmm. I seem to remember that someone actually went to the trouble to do a study on this. If I remember correctly from the news articles, they had a (supposedly) attractive person stop randomly chosen strangers on the street and ask if they were interested in having sex. A very large percentage of the males said that they would have sex with the female questioner. A very very small number of females agreed to go off and have sex with the male questioner. I remember hearing about it a few years ago, it was uniformly greeted with “Another sociologist proves the obvious” by the media. There might be a cite for it out on the web somewhere… ---
**Author:** ![lambda](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/5f9b8f/32.png) [@lambda](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lambda)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2000, 1:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/aids-hiv-manufactured-for-population-controll/41101/44 "2000-11-16T01:14:57Z")
> [@](#): > > _Originally posted by Lemur866_ > Yeah, but that’s two women, in real life women do not the total number of partners, and divide by the number of women. Since the number of women is roughly equal to the number of men, the average number of partners should have to be equal as well. I did a search, and I came across this [analysis]([http://www.icpsr.umich.edu/GSS99/report/m-report/meth65.htm](http://www.icpsr.umich.edu/GSS99/report/m-report/meth65.htm) analysis) of a study on sexual behaviour that deals pretty extensively with this issue. From the conclusion: _“In brief, nothing in the extant literature suggests a strong candidate for the gender discrepancy observed in the data. Of various possible explanations some combination of underrepresentation of female prostitutes and of female underreporting and male overreporting seems most plausible.”_ ---
**Author:** ![lambda](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/5f9b8f/32.png) [@lambda](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lambda)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2000, 1:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/aids-hiv-manufactured-for-population-controll/41101/45 "2000-11-16T01:18:04Z")
I apologize for mis-quoting you, **Lemur**. I deleted part of your original text by mistake. ☹ ---
**Author:** ![tomndebb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/b9e5f3/32.png) [@tomndebb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tomndebb)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2000, 2:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/aids-hiv-manufactured-for-population-controll/41101/46 "2000-11-16T02:06:25Z")
In the midst of all this speculation regarding sexual mores, two points are factually in error and should be cleared up: **HIV and Polio** : There was a serious examination of this potential contamination because some of the primates used in the earlier polio vaccination tests lived in the region where the SIV (Simian instead of Human) retro virus has been reported. Various scenarios were floated in which the vaccines developed for humans were contaminated by using serum from SIV infected animals. (There was more than one scenario proposed.) Despite the unlikelihood of this contamination, the original polio development and testing papers were all scrutinized. Aside from a few conspiracy buffs (of either “the government did it” or “pharmaceutical companies ignored safeguards” camps), the information discovered has clearly shown that the polio serum development and testing had no relationship to the development of AIDS. > [@](#): > > The airline steward who _intentionally_ spread it introduced it to the west coast via San Fransisco. _italics mine_ The airline attendant did not spread it deliberately. He can be accused of stupidity and callous indifference to his fellow man, as he continued to engage in sex with multiples of partners after he had been warned that he might be spreading disease. However, AIDS, as such, was not isolated and identified until after his death. The various immunity-attacking diseases from which he suffered (such as Carses Sarcoma) were not considered communicable and he shrugged off the warnings. There is no evidence that he ever set out to make anyone else sick. (If one of his ailments had been tuberculosis, then he was criminally negligent, beyond being callous, but there is _still_ no indication that his _intent_ was to infect other people.) ---
**Author:** ![Esprix](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/esprix/32/7899_2.png) [@Esprix](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Esprix)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2000, 2:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/aids-hiv-manufactured-for-population-controll/41101/47 "2000-11-16T14:43:11Z")
> [@](#): > > _Originally posted by **bryanmcc** _ > > boy we’re getting way off the subject, but esprix, i don’t see how you can argue the logic behind concluding that your average homosexual has more sexual partners than heterosexuals. Oh, is “personal experience” suddenly replacing “logic?” If that’s the case, then I’m the most attractive person in the country (logically, since I have no trouble going on dates), all elderly people fall in hospitals (logically, as my grandmother just did so), I am one of the top ten percent of posters by volume on the entire internet (logically, since I am here on the SDMB)… Your observations about women and men are just that - observations. Since you’re new, I’ll point out that here at the SDMB, personal observations are not treated as _de facto_ scientific evidence. > [@](#): > > i think most heterosexual males would agree with me that the opportunity comes up considerably less often than we would like due to the lower average female interest in sex. homosexuals would, however, reap the benefits of their common higher sex drive. it’s the same potential that exists for a straight woman with a larger libedo. it sould be easier for her to go out and score more often, as the potential candidates are more likely willing. Blah blah blah. Thank you for reducing the entire gay community to a bunch of horny guys lookin’ to score (and buying into the oldest stereotype in the book). Your “logic” doesn’t impress me. As I said before, I will certainly concede that men _probably_ have a higher sex drive than women (although I’ve yet to see cites to prove this to me, but I’ll grant it). This does not _ipso facto_ mean that gay men have more sex with each other than men and women do. Esprix ---
**Author:** ![puddleglum](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/puddleglum/32/137_2.png) [@puddleglum](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/puddleglum)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2000, 2:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/aids-hiv-manufactured-for-population-controll/41101/48 "2000-11-16T14:52:56Z")
I got my information about the gay steward from the book “The Band Played On”. In it he has the steward showing his sex partner a lesion and saying “This means I have gay cancer, and now so do you.” If the author of the book was been proven wrong about this I had not heard about it. I thought the entire book and this passage had verisimilitude. ---
**Author:** ![Esprix](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/esprix/32/7899_2.png) [@Esprix](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Esprix)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2000, 3:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/aids-hiv-manufactured-for-population-controll/41101/49 "2000-11-16T15:36:02Z")
And The Band Played On has a lot of liberties taken - it’s more of a “fiction based on real life” kind of thing. Think of it as a TV movie of the week. Esprix ---
**Author:** ![puddleglum](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/puddleglum/32/137_2.png) [@puddleglum](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/puddleglum)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2000, 6:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/aids-hiv-manufactured-for-population-controll/41101/50 "2000-11-16T18:06:37Z")
The author of “And the Band Played On” was a respected journalist and I have not heard any questions as to the books integrity before. I did however get the quote wrong. It should have been “I have gay cancer, I am going to die and now, so are you” ---
**Author:** ![Honesty](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/f04885/32.png) [@Honesty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Honesty)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2000, 5:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/aids-hiv-manufactured-for-population-controll/41101/51 "2000-11-21T17:39:51Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Esprix \* > \*\* > > > [@](#): > > > > _Originally posted by **Lemur866** _ > > > > And Esprix…I’ve just gotta disagree that homosexuals are no more promisciuous than heterosexuals. I mean, if I could have found willing female partners (before I was married), I would have slept with as many as I could. The horny gay man has a natural advantage in that his potential sexual partners are also horny gay men. > > What does that have to do with anything? There aren’t horny women? Just because you can’t get a date doesn’t mean you can speak for the entire heterosexual population. There are gay “players” and there are straight ones. There are gay virgins and there are straight ones. Get over it. > > > [@](#): > > > > That’s why you have gay bath-houses. They are the gay equivalent of brothels, only staffed with volunteers. > > So if they’re the equivalent of brothels, why would you say they have more sex than their heterosexual counterparts? Surely there is still heterosexual prostitution, is there not? > > > [@](#): > > > > But that doesn’t change the fact that straight men only wish they could have sex with casual acquaintances as often as gay men can. > > Nice stereotype. Got any cites to back it up? > > > [@](#): > > > > Let’s face facts. As a gay man, you could probably pick someone up tonight. As a straight man it would take me months…perhaps years…to accomplish the same task. > > Wait, let me check… nope, don’t care. Your personal failings aren’t indicative of the general population’s promiscuity. And why do you think I could get a date “as a gay man?” Are you saying I can only get a date because I am gay? Or that I couldn’t get a date if I were straight? And you’re jumping to some wild conclusions - I don’t date nearly as often as you seem to think (if only I did!). > > Esprix \*\* Esprix, I rarely post, I’m more of a reader and usually agree with 100% of what you say. However, as a 19 year old gay black man, let me tell you of my experiences. There have been many of times where at college, many men have came up to me and asked for sexual favors. When I graciously decline, I am scowled at, even one went as far as to cuss me out. Sad with the prospect of being alone, I decided to take ads in the Yahoo Personals. Again, my personals mailbox was filled with invitations to orgies and sex clubs. The one I did accept, turned out to be a disaster, since while we were out and came to his house we did nothing but watch sex videos on his television. I sighed heavily and deleted my ad from the Yahoo personals. I picked up a gay newspaper in our area called “Between the Lines” hoping that I could someone my age with a semblance of maturity. As I flipped through the pages, I was shocked to see nothing but advertisements filled with sexual inneundos. That is when I simply got fed up with the gay community and figure I’ll never find anyone. Amazingly, I have found someone at a gay group I went to who goes to my campus. (Which I stopped going to for pretty much the same reasons) He is smart, intelligent, and he is very handsome – even the girls hit on him. Unfortunately, the sociological experiences that encompass the above and the 6 years of \*hell from middle to the completion of high school. Has left me a emotional mess, virtually unable to communicate properly with the person I mentioned. While he has been patient with me and I seriously doubt our friendship will ever be anything more than that. If he leaves my life, I really don’t think I’ll ever find another gay person who isn’t a sex crazed addict. I don’t consider the previous posters’ assertions as stereotypes. From my experiences, they are nothing but the truth. Regards, B. Williams - Hell refers to the delightfully charming days of Public and Catholic High School when I was beat up, stolen from, and chased from school every day. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/aids-hiv-manufactured-for-population-controll/41101.md?page=2)