# Ain't really said it before... sayin' it now: I fucking told you so. **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [November 1, 2008, 5:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/aint-really-said-it-before-sayin-it-now-i-fucking-told-you-so/470544 "2008-11-01T05:32:48Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2008, 2:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/aint-really-said-it-before-sayin-it-now-i-fucking-told-you-so/470544/21 "2008-11-01T14:16:02Z")
I remember back when Bush was running for President and he was questioned about his beliefs on capital punishment. His answer was that basically he hadn’t spent a lot of time thinking about the issue and just went along with whatever decisions were handed to him for his review. (And this was Texas where numerous capital punishment cases are sent to the Governor for his review.) I thought that regardless of what your opinions on capital punishment are, nobody should be making these literally life and death decisions in such a casual manner. That’s when I decided Bush didn’t have what it took to be President. ---
**Author:** ![Peanut\_Gallery](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/838e76/32.png) [@Peanut\_Gallery](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Peanut_Gallery)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2008, 2:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/aint-really-said-it-before-sayin-it-now-i-fucking-told-you-so/470544/22 "2008-11-01T14:36:28Z")
> [@Stoid](#): > > … > > In that post, I predicted ruin at the hands of George W. Bush. > … > > I fucking told you so. > > However, I am deeply grateful to him. I believe it is precisely because he was so calamitous for our country that we have opened our minds and hearts to an African American, a man whom I believe has the ability to effect a positive change as great and much greater than the ruin that Bush brought about. I feel ya. Really. But I think you probably should have stopped at “I fucking told you so.” I like Obama, and I voted for him, but to say he is going to effect a greater positive change the GWB’s negative is making you look a little overboard IMO. (But then I realize what happened to the \*last \*people who thought you were overboard!) It is just SO much easier to break things than to fix them. “You know that ship you just drove into an iceberg? I’m gonna make it look better than new!” While I was cool enough to vote against Bush twice, my only prediction for him in 2000 was that he would steer the Supreme Court the wrong way. He certainly tried (Harriet:smack:), but the results of Roberts and Alito haven’t really offended me yet, and will take decades to unfold. I’ll be warming up my “I fucking told you so!” for like 2030. ---
**Author:** ![Peanut\_Gallery](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/838e76/32.png) [@Peanut\_Gallery](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Peanut_Gallery)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2008, 2:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/aint-really-said-it-before-sayin-it-now-i-fucking-told-you-so/470544/23 "2008-11-01T14:40:32Z")
> [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > I remember back when Bush was running for President and he was questioned about his beliefs on capital punishment. His answer was that basically he hadn’t spent a lot of time thinking about the issue and just went along with whatever decisions were handed to him for his review. (And this was Texas where numerous capital punishment cases are sent to the Governor for his review.) > > I thought that regardless of what your opinions on capital punishment are, nobody should be making these literally life and death decisions in such a casual manner. That’s when I decided Bush didn’t have what it took to be President. Sounds like our guy… “During his tenure, Bush signed the execution warrants for more death row inmates than any other Governor in the history of Texas, averaging a death every nine days.[6] The only death penalty case among the 153 that came across George W. Bush’s desk in his tenure as Texas Governor in which Governor Bush intervened and commuted the death sentence was that of serial killer Henry Lee Lucas.” > **[Governorship of George W. Bush](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_W._Bush_as_Governor_of_Texas)** > > George W. Bush served as the 46th governor of Texas from 1995 until 2000, when he resigned as governor amid his transition into the U.S. presidency after having been elected president in the 2000 United States presidential election. As governor, Bush successfully sponsored legislation for tort reform, increased education funding, set higher standards for schools, and reformed the criminal justice system. Bush also pioneered faith-based welfare programs and helped make Texas the leading producer o... ---
**Author:** ![Jolly\_Roger](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/91b2a8/32.png) [@Jolly\_Roger](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jolly_Roger)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2008, 2:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/aint-really-said-it-before-sayin-it-now-i-fucking-told-you-so/470544/24 "2008-11-01T14:43:34Z")
> [@Der\_Trihs](#): > > Which would have screwed up the economy even more. **And be quite bigoted as well;** I note you say nothing of prosecuting the people who employ them. Bolding mine. I’m glad you pointed the bigotry out. Too many people are too willing to want to say we’re a big melting pot but disregard anyone who isn’t like us. I guess they forget almost everyone in the US is a descendant of immigrants and in some cases (like me) people that were forcibly moved here and made to work and slaves. We may need better border control but a heavy handed action like shutting the borders isn’t a well thought out strategy. kinda like the McCain campaign. ---
**Author:** ![aerodave](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/f08c70/32.png) [@aerodave](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aerodave)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2008, 2:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/aint-really-said-it-before-sayin-it-now-i-fucking-told-you-so/470544/25 "2008-11-01T14:45:06Z")
> [@Stoid](#): > > In that post, I predicted ruin at the hands of George W. Bush. > > I was chided…nay, excoriated! for such a prediction, dismissed as a hysteric. Wait a minute. You expect us to believe that you were scorned on the SDMB for badmouthing a conservative? Bullshit. ---
**Author:** ![BJMoose](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/5fc32e/32.png) [@BJMoose](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BJMoose)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2008, 2:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/aint-really-said-it-before-sayin-it-now-i-fucking-told-you-so/470544/26 "2008-11-01T14:57:34Z")
> [@LouisB](#): > > I can’t find the story this morning and therefore can’t link to it. But, there was a story on MSNBC yesterday to the effect that Bush and his minions are working their butts off to loosen a bunch of regulatory measures, especially in the energy business. I can’t find the cite; maybe someone who is more skilled can. What took 'em so long? They really _are_ dumb – shouldn’t they have done that at the _beginning_ of their administration? Imagine how much bigger The Dick’s checks from Halliburton would have been! Mebbe President Obama can issue an Executive Order declaring the past eight years null and void. ---
**Author:** ![Stoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/stoid/32/272_2.png) [@Stoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stoid)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2008, 3:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/aint-really-said-it-before-sayin-it-now-i-fucking-told-you-so/470544/27 "2008-11-01T15:22:42Z")
> [@leander](#): > > **Stoid** has “fans”? And they are legion! ---
**Author:** ![Shayna](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/shayna/32/17976_2.png) [@Shayna](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shayna)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2008, 3:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/aint-really-said-it-before-sayin-it-now-i-fucking-told-you-so/470544/28 "2008-11-01T15:27:13Z")
[I am in despair](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=142902) > [@](#): > > Originally posted by **Stoid** , 11-05-2002 > > As another election day, the second in my lifetime, leaves me literally weeping. > > Despair is truly the only word I can find to fit the dark night of fear I have for so many things. The freedoms I truly cherish, the citizens of this nation who are not among the privileged, the citizens of the world in general, and of certain nations in particular, the natural world, and the dignity and honor that I have felt up to now my country has managed to hold on to in spite of some serious winds. > > I know I will be derided for taking it all so seriously…after all, as so many have said, “There’s not a dime’s worth of difference between the two parties”, right? > > I wish it were so. But I think that those of you who really believe that are going to get a very rude awakening, one that will last long after this horrible travesty has been technically undone. Which is the only light I cling to at this point…that the republicans will be so drunk with power that they will become giddy and mad, and show their truest colors, gladdening the hearts of some, but horrifying more, and the whole damn lot of them will be out on their asses in 2004. > > Of course, by then so much damage will have been done, it will be cold comfort. > > This is a black day. Feel free to gloat all you want. You were right (well, except you predicted their demise in '04. ::sigh:: Would that it had been. But better late than never). Signed, A **Stoid** fan. ---
**Author:** ![Stoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/stoid/32/272_2.png) [@Stoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stoid)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2008, 3:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/aint-really-said-it-before-sayin-it-now-i-fucking-told-you-so/470544/29 "2008-11-01T15:33:26Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > One, for sure. What you got? I don’t think it counts when I’m a bigger fan of the fan than the fan is of me, darlink. ---
**Author:** ![gonzomax](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e8c25b/32.png) [@gonzomax](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gonzomax)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2008, 3:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/aint-really-said-it-before-sayin-it-now-i-fucking-told-you-so/470544/30 "2008-11-01T15:33:45Z")
> [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > I remember back when Bush was running for President and he was questioned about his beliefs on capital punishment. His answer was that basically he hadn’t spent a lot of time thinking about the issue and just went along with whatever decisions were handed to him for his review. (And this was Texas where numerous capital punishment cases are sent to the Governor for his review.) > > I thought that regardless of what your opinions on capital punishment are, nobody should be making these literally life and death decisions in such a casual manner. That’s when I decided Bush didn’t have what it took to be President. When he said the state of Texas has never executed an innocent man,I knew he was a liar or stupid. Turns out he was both. ---
**Author:** ![Revtim](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/revtim/32/1042_2.png) [@Revtim](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Revtim)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2008, 3:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/aint-really-said-it-before-sayin-it-now-i-fucking-told-you-so/470544/31 "2008-11-01T15:35:26Z")
2002? (referring to **Shayna** ’s quote) ---
**Author:** ![Chefguy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chefguy/32/138_2.png) [@Chefguy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chefguy)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2008, 3:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/aint-really-said-it-before-sayin-it-now-i-fucking-told-you-so/470544/32 "2008-11-01T15:39:41Z")
I remember telling my sister (she’s to the right of almost everyone) that I feared that Bush would manage to destroy our country if he lasted two terms. That hasn’t come to pass, but it’s not because he hasn’t tried. In fact, he’s continuing to try even as we speak by signing 11th hour laws that further deregulate air, water, and emission standards. The next prez will spend the first four years trying to undo the damage wrought to our constitution, our reputation and our economy by this fucking gang of thugs. ---
**Author:** ![Captain\_Carrot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/f0a364/32.png) [@Captain\_Carrot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Captain_Carrot)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2008, 3:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/aint-really-said-it-before-sayin-it-now-i-fucking-told-you-so/470544/33 "2008-11-01T15:45:53Z")
> [@Shayna](#): > > Feel free to gloat all you want. You were right (well, except you predicted their demise in '04. ::sigh:: Would that it had been. But better late than never). I read that as hoping it would happen, rather than predicting it. ---
**Author:** ![SmartAleq](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smartaleq/32/163_2.png) [@SmartAleq](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SmartAleq)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2008, 4:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/aint-really-said-it-before-sayin-it-now-i-fucking-told-you-so/470544/34 "2008-11-01T16:03:19Z")
> [@Larry\_Borgia](#): > > While all presidents are imperfect and subject to forces beyond there control there was one thing GW willfully and deliberatly did that has screwed this country so badly it will take years to recover from it: Iraq. That’s a trillion dollar war that will somehow have to be paid for, along with a 700 billion dollar payoff to incompetent bankers. That’s all Bush’s fault. That’s what we get for electing a profoundly incompetent president. > > Bush cut taxes and raised spending while ignoring the regulatory functions of government. The next president will have no choice but to slash spending and raise taxes just to get us out of this hole. If Obama wins he’s totally screwed. Nope, the money part is bad, but it’s just money and we can make more. How about the torture part? The domestic spying part? The goddamned motherfucking eleven hundred “fuck you” signing statements? The sovereign presidency thing? The “Constitution free zones” where 2/3 of Americans live and work and can be rousted and/or imprisoned indefinitely for no reason without access to due process? The failure to respond to Katrina that has left one of our oldest cities destitute and broken with no end in sight? Gitmo? Abu Ghraib? The rest of the overseas prisons where we keep inconvenient people? The current glut of deregulation that’s taking place with zero congressional input or oversight? The gutting of our first, fourth, fifth, sixth, eighth and ninth amendment rights? As for Iraq, it’s not the money–it’s the 4000+ of our service people who won’t be coming back, and the damaged ones who’ve come back to inadequate medical care and indifferent mental health screenings that bother me more. The homeless vets, who served and came back to an economy where they can’t get a fucking job. The poor stop-lossed bastards who keep getting sent back into the meatgrinder, over and over. I’d almost be willing to believe in a god, if it meant that Dubya would pay for his crimes for eternity. ---
**Author:** ![Digital\_Stimulus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/aeb1de/32.png) [@Digital\_Stimulus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Digital_Stimulus)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2008, 4:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/aint-really-said-it-before-sayin-it-now-i-fucking-told-you-so/470544/35 "2008-11-01T16:16:25Z")
In 2004, I said that the only good that would (hopefully) come out of “4 more years” would be that the Republicans wouldn’t be able to escape the blame for what they’ve wrought, pinning it on a Kerry administration. With a now 22% approval rating for the Bush admin (tied with LBJ for lowest ever), it seems that at least _that_ much has come to pass. While I’m glad for it, and glad that it’s led to a Democrat resurgence, I can’t help but feel that no matter what the future holds, the last 4 (actually, 8) years has been a net loss for the country. ☹ ---
**Author:** ![Skald\_the\_Rhymer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecccb3/32.png) [@Skald\_the\_Rhymer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skald_the_Rhymer)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2008, 4:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/aint-really-said-it-before-sayin-it-now-i-fucking-told-you-so/470544/36 "2008-11-01T16:23:30Z")
> [@Rand\_Rover](#): > > I hereby predict “ruin” at the hands of either Barack Obama or John McCain. > > See you in 4 to 8 years, suckers! I am coming into this thread for two reasons. The first is to admit that, given my vote in 2000, I bear small but measurable culpability for the Bush reign of idiocy, and for that I apologize. The second and more important is to tell Rand Rover to\*\* fuck off.\*\* There. I feel better than James Brown. ---
**Author:** ![Baldwin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/baldwin/32/7264_2.png) [@Baldwin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Baldwin)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2008, 4:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/aint-really-said-it-before-sayin-it-now-i-fucking-told-you-so/470544/37 "2008-11-01T16:30:03Z")
> [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > I remember back when Bush was running for President and he was questioned about his beliefs on capital punishment. His answer was that basically he hadn’t spent a lot of time thinking about the issue and just went along with whatever decisions were handed to him for his review. (And this was Texas where numerous capital punishment cases are sent to the Governor for his review.) > > I thought that regardless of what your opinions on capital punishment are, nobody should be making these literally life and death decisions in such a casual manner. That’s when I decided Bush didn’t have what it took to be President. Have you seen that video of him mocking a woman whosedeath order he signed? Guy deserves to be punched in the dick. > [@Stoid](#): > > . . . an African American, a man whom I believe has the ability to effect a positive change as great and much greater than the ruin that Bush brought about. _Who_, not whom. Otherwise, hope you’re right. I felt good voting for him. ---
**Author:** ![waterj2](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/858c86/32.png) [@waterj2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/waterj2)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2008, 4:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/aint-really-said-it-before-sayin-it-now-i-fucking-told-you-so/470544/38 "2008-11-01T16:31:12Z")
> [@SmartAleq](#): > > The “Constitution free zones” where 2/3 of Americans live and work and can be rousted and/or imprisoned indefinitely for no reason without access to due process? Err, what exactly is this one about? I have trouble keeping track of the administrations shenanigans sometimes. At least the thread **Shayna** linked to was from when I had no internet access, so there don’t seem to be any embarrassing statements I need to retract in it. ---
**Author:** ![Baldwin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/baldwin/32/7264_2.png) [@Baldwin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Baldwin)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2008, 4:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/aint-really-said-it-before-sayin-it-now-i-fucking-told-you-so/470544/39 "2008-11-01T16:32:06Z")
> [@LouisB](#): > > I can’t find the story this morning and therefore can’t link to it. But, there was a story on MSNBC yesterday to the effect that Bush and his minions are working their butts off to loosen a bunch of regulatory measures, especially in the energy business. I can’t find the cite; maybe someone who is more skilled can. It’ll be interesting to see the lucrative Board of Director posts these fuckwads all settle into after they’re out of office. Of course, they should die in prison; that’d be nice. ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2008, 4:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/aint-really-said-it-before-sayin-it-now-i-fucking-told-you-so/470544/40 "2008-11-01T16:32:39Z")
> [@Clothahump](#): > > Nope. Not even close. His failure to slam the border shut, then round up and run out the illegals in the country is what will haunt him for the rest of his days. You really are a hateful cunt, aren’t you? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/aint-really-said-it-before-sayin-it-now-i-fucking-told-you-so/470544.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/aint-really-said-it-before-sayin-it-now-i-fucking-told-you-so/470544.md?page=3)