# Ain't really said it before... sayin' it now: I fucking told you so. **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [November 1, 2008, 5:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/aint-really-said-it-before-sayin-it-now-i-fucking-told-you-so/470544 "2008-11-01T05:32:48Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![Scylla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a5b964/32.png) [@Scylla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scylla)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2008, 12:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/aint-really-said-it-before-sayin-it-now-i-fucking-told-you-so/470544/61 "2008-11-02T00:13:10Z")
Well **Stoid** , at no point did I ever harbor the slightest doubt, that from your perspective, everything would suck. Nor was there every any doubt of whom you would blame. So, you can take that “I told you so” and shove it. From my perspective things are looking pretty good. In spite of 8 years of Democratic doomspeak we’re kicking ass so well, that security and our foreign engagements aren’t even election issues Really the only major issue is the credit crunch. If only those stupid Democrats would have listened to Bush in 2001 when he warned about this, things would be great. No matter though. We’ll get her fixed. ---
**Author:** ![Darth\_Nader](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ad7895/32.png) [@Darth\_Nader](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Darth_Nader)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2008, 12:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/aint-really-said-it-before-sayin-it-now-i-fucking-told-you-so/470544/62 "2008-11-02T00:20:51Z")
We need a “jaw drops to the floor” smiley. ---
**Author:** ![Jackmannii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jackmannii/32/311_2.png) [@Jackmannii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jackmannii)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2008, 2:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/aint-really-said-it-before-sayin-it-now-i-fucking-told-you-so/470544/63 "2008-11-02T02:20:31Z")
> [@Stoid](#): > > Of course, I refer to a post…many posts, really, but I’m thinking of one in particular that I wrote in the misty past…way back in year 2000, maybe it was 2001. > > In that post, I predicted ruin at the hands of George W. Bush. > > I was chided…nay, excoriated! for such a prediction I don’t recall this particular excoriation, seeing as you were blasted so many times by posters from all over the political spectrum for ill-informed, moronic statements on any number of issues. I’d never previously thought of you as a Cassandra, doomed to have all her accurate soothsaying ignored, mostly because in classical mythology Cassandra didn’t deserve her fate and you did. > [@](#): > > I believe it is precisely because he was so calamitous for our country that we have opened our minds and hearts to an African American This is the main reason you can think of for backing him? Holy crap. This is stupid, even for you. I am voting for Obama on Tuesday, but supporters like you are cringe-worthy. > [@](#): > > I think that we should all hope that I will be able to be back here in 8 years saying I told you so again. We should all hope it’s eight more years before you’re back here spouting more idiocy. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2008, 2:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/aint-really-said-it-before-sayin-it-now-i-fucking-told-you-so/470544/64 "2008-11-02T02:24:45Z")
> [@Scylla](#): > > Well **Stoid** , at no point did I ever harbor the slightest doubt, that from your perspective, everything would suck. Nor was there every any doubt of whom you would blame. So, you can take that “I told you so” and shove it… Sure she’ll be happy to, but you’ll be wanting some lube. ---
**Author:** ![Stoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/stoid/32/272_2.png) [@Stoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stoid)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2008, 2:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/aint-really-said-it-before-sayin-it-now-i-fucking-told-you-so/470544/65 "2008-11-02T02:34:18Z")
> [@Jackmannii](#): > > This is the main reason you can think of for backing him? Holy crap. This is stupid, even for you. I am voting for Obama on Tuesday, but supporters like you are cringe-worthy.We should all hope it’s eight more years before you’re back here spouting more idiocy. Your reading skills have suffered tremendously since we last met, Jack. Try again. ---
**Author:** ![Stoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/stoid/32/272_2.png) [@Stoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stoid)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2008, 2:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/aint-really-said-it-before-sayin-it-now-i-fucking-told-you-so/470544/66 "2008-11-02T02:36:22Z")
Shayna! Bless you, my dear, for scrounging that up! I wouldn’t have known where to begin (and couldn’t actually, being a mere guest. I was so bummed when I spaced and lost my chargter designation! Rude!) Weren’t we supposed to have coffee at some point? And Biggirl… I’ve been to New York twice in the last three years! You were among the Dopers I was most hoping would take note and have a pizza with me! Wah. ---
**Author:** ![RickJay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/bb73d2/32.png) [@RickJay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RickJay)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2008, 2:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/aint-really-said-it-before-sayin-it-now-i-fucking-told-you-so/470544/67 "2008-11-02T02:54:47Z")
> [@The\_Tof](#): > > She looks me dead in the eye and says with all seriousness.. “If he gets two terms- we will be lucky to still have a country after 8.” > > I start to laugh at this, and she stops me, “I am dead serious. You have no idea how awful he is.” (The slight condascesion aside- one of her faults) I remember thinking at the time that she was being fatalistic. And as things continued on- I realized just how prescient she really was. Um, but she wasn’t. The USA remains. Bush has been a bad President, but the United States remains a stable nation. He wasn’t catastrophically bad in the literal sense of that term - the country was far, far stronger than he was incompetent. By comparison, the administration of James Buchanan actually DID cause the country to split apart. Presidents have done a lot worse. Buchanan, obviously, and his predecessor Franklin Pierce. Lyndon B. Johnson’s “Gulf of Tonkin” play to escalate Vietnam was every bit as much a lie as “Weapons of Mass Destruction” and led to far more death and horror than the Iraq War has. The Hoover administration presided over a series of economic disasters that make the recent bailout look like a hiccup. ---
**Author:** ![Scylla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a5b964/32.png) [@Scylla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scylla)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2008, 3:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/aint-really-said-it-before-sayin-it-now-i-fucking-told-you-so/470544/68 "2008-11-02T03:06:56Z")
> [@Jackmannii](#): > > I don’t recall this particular excoriation, seeing as you were blasted so many times by posters from all over the political spectrum for ill-informed, moronic statements on any number of issues. > > I’d never previously thought of you as a Cassandra, doomed to have all her accurate soothsaying ignored, mostly because in classical mythology Cassandra didn’t deserve her fate and you did.This is the main reason you can think of for backing him? Holy crap. This is stupid, even for you. I am voting for Obama on Tuesday, but supporters like you are cringe-worthy.We should all hope it’s eight more years before you’re back here spouting more idiocy. My name is **Scylla** and I endorse this message. ---
**Author:** ![Skald\_the\_Rhymer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecccb3/32.png) [@Skald\_the\_Rhymer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skald_the_Rhymer)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2008, 3:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/aint-really-said-it-before-sayin-it-now-i-fucking-told-you-so/470544/69 "2008-11-02T03:58:46Z")
> [@Scylla](#): > > Well **Stoid** , at no point did I ever harbor the slightest doubt, that from your perspective, everything would suck. Nor was there every any doubt of whom you would blame. So, you can take that “I told you so” and shove it. > > From my perspective things are looking pretty good. In spite of 8 years of Democratic doomspeak we’re kicking ass so well, that security and our foreign engagements aren’t even election issues > > Really the only major issue is the credit crunch. If only those stupid Democrats would have listened to Bush in 2001 when he warned about this, things would be great. No matter though. We’ll get her fixed. Who is in charge of Scylla’s meds? S/he needs more aripiprazole. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Tao\_s\_Revenge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/73ab20/32.png) [@The\_Tao\_s\_Revenge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Tao_s_Revenge)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2008, 4:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/aint-really-said-it-before-sayin-it-now-i-fucking-told-you-so/470544/70 "2008-11-02T04:22:44Z")
nvm ---
**Author:** ![Malienation](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/4af34b/32.png) [@Malienation](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Malienation)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2008, 5:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/aint-really-said-it-before-sayin-it-now-i-fucking-told-you-so/470544/71 "2008-11-02T05:23:58Z")
> [@Larry\_Borgia](#): > > While all presidents are imperfect and subject to forces beyond there control there was one thing GW willfully and deliberatly did that has screwed this country so badly it will take years to recover from it: Iraq. That’s a trillion dollar war that will somehow have to be paid for, along with a 700 billion dollar payoff to incompetent bankers. That’s all Bush’s fault. That’s what we get for electing a profoundly incompetent president. > > Bush cut taxes and raised spending while ignoring the regulatory functions of government. The next president will have no choice but to slash spending and raise taxes just to get us out of this hole. If Obama wins he’s totally screwed. Which is why he is likely to be a one-term Prez, unfortunately. American voters are spoiled and impatient. The medicine the country is going to have to take to get us out of the hole we’re in is likely to be so unpleasant and slow-acting that by the time the 2012 election rolls around, the long hard slog we’ll have endured is still going be be, uh, sloggy. Of course, if Obama pulls it off, he could go down in history as one of the greatest of the modern Presidents. ---
**Author:** ![Stoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/stoid/32/272_2.png) [@Stoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stoid)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2008, 7:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/aint-really-said-it-before-sayin-it-now-i-fucking-told-you-so/470544/72 "2008-11-02T07:49:31Z")
> [@Malienation](#): > > Which is why he is likely to be a one-term Prez, unfortunately. American voters are spoiled and impatient. The medicine the country is going to have to take to get us out of the hole we’re in is likely to be so unpleasant and slow-acting that by the time the 2012 election rolls around, the long hard slog we’ll have endured is still going be be, uh, sloggy. > > Of course, if Obama pulls it off, he could go down in history as one of the greatest of the modern Presidents. Why limit it to modern? Maybe he’ll simply be one of the greatest presidents. ---
**Author:** ![Ludovic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/7ab992/32.png) [@Ludovic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ludovic)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2008, 1:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/aint-really-said-it-before-sayin-it-now-i-fucking-told-you-so/470544/73 "2008-11-02T13:47:10Z")
> [@Scylla](#): > > From my perspective things are looking pretty good. The fundamentals of the economy are strong! ---
**Author:** ![Evil\_Captor](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/f17d59/32.png) [@Evil\_Captor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Evil_Captor)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2008, 2:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/aint-really-said-it-before-sayin-it-now-i-fucking-told-you-so/470544/74 "2008-11-02T14:03:59Z")
I would just like to add that I told you so, too. I knew Bush would be a bad, bad deal for the US. I thought he’d do more censoring (Ashcroft was busy with a big censorship initiative when 911 happened and he had to go hunt actual criminals, i.e., terrorists, so it wasn’t for lack of TRYING) and that he’d let big business fuck us over (dead right about that one) especially with regard to the environment (also on the money) and he’d pack the Supreme Court with right-wing assholes (also spot on). I did not foresee his abuse of habeas corpus, his use of torture or his emergence as a war criminal with the unprovoked attack on Iraq. I simply had no idea HOW bad he would be. For his retirement, he deserves to be locked in a cell in the Hague, awaiting his war crimes trial. Good on you, Stoid, for calling it like it would be, way back when. On edit, I also didn’t foresee the Bush administration’s treasonous behavior in the Valerie Plame affair. (Don’t give me that “letter of the law” stuff, if I had done what the Bush people did, every conservative on the board would be calling me a traitor. ---
**Author:** ![Merijeek](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f05b48/32.png) [@Merijeek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Merijeek)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2008, 2:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/aint-really-said-it-before-sayin-it-now-i-fucking-told-you-so/470544/75 "2008-11-02T14:15:17Z")
> [@Rand\_Rover](#): > > I hereby predict “ruin” at the hands of either Barack Obama or John McCain. > > See you in 4 to 8 years, suckers! Wow, we haven’t even had the election and already some fucking retard is going for “But Obama…”. -Joe ---
**Author:** ![Merijeek](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f05b48/32.png) [@Merijeek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Merijeek)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2008, 2:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/aint-really-said-it-before-sayin-it-now-i-fucking-told-you-so/470544/76 "2008-11-02T14:17:35Z")
> [@Der\_Trihs](#): > > Which would have screwed up the economy even more. And be quite bigoted as well; I note you say nothing of prosecuting the people who employ them. Businesses are blameless, holy creatures. Has the last eight years taught you nothing? -Joe ---
**Author:** ![Peanut\_Gallery](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/838e76/32.png) [@Peanut\_Gallery](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Peanut_Gallery)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2008, 2:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/aint-really-said-it-before-sayin-it-now-i-fucking-told-you-so/470544/77 "2008-11-02T14:38:34Z")
Scylla is the master at whooshing people. I’m going to assume that’s what his post was all about. And Rand Rover is definitely an obnoxious troll, in case there was some doubt left on that point. Takes one to know one. And a special fuck you to James Buchanan for setting the bar so damn low that we actually have to argue if GWB was The Worst or not! Although I love the defense, “hey at least it wasn’t \*our \*country he tore apart!” ---
**Author:** ![buttonjockey308](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/bcef8e/32.png) [@buttonjockey308](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/buttonjockey308)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2008, 3:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/aint-really-said-it-before-sayin-it-now-i-fucking-told-you-so/470544/78 "2008-11-02T15:34:24Z")
> [@Larry\_Borgia](#): > > While all presidents are imperfect and subject to forces beyond there control there was one thing GW willfully and deliberatly did that has screwed this country so badly it will take years to recover from it: Iraq. That’s a trillion dollar war that will somehow have to be paid for, along with a 700 billion dollar payoff to incompetent bankers. That’s all Bush’s fault. That’s what we get for electing a profoundly incompetent president. > > Bush cut taxes and raised spending while ignoring the regulatory functions of government. The next president will have no choice but to slash spending and raise taxes just to get us out of this hole. If Obama wins he’s totally screwed. WHOA, WHOA, WHOA!!! The mess in Iraq? That’s all geedub, but the mess on Wall Street? That’s all us, cousin. George Bush didn’t force us into a $500K interest-only mortgage on a house that was only worth $275k to begin with. The economic mess, at least as far as housing and credit is concerned, isn’t on this administration, it’s on the people, but the people need a scapegoat, may as well be Bush, why bother to learn our own lessons? It’s true, there are a lot of things to blame on Bush, but we have short, short memories when it comes to the truth. He’s not totally at fault and frankly, had some actual potential in the beginning and especially after 9/11. He has, in fact, proven himself to be the candidate most worthy of the booby prize, but your fellow Americans, at least just better than 1/2 of them, elected him. Twice. So, Stoid, you were right. Whoop-de-fuck. Now what? We’re literally hours from the potential start of a new era in American politics, does anyone think that maybe, JUST maybe, we can let this bullshit go and focus on where we’re going? We know what was wrong with the last 8 years. It ain’t a fuckin secret, what do we DO about it? Elect Barack and hope for the best. I, as a supporter of Barack predict he will fail the test in his first hundred days. I think that he’ll do stupid things with good intent and learn from them. I also predict that we will all have smaller paychecks and bigger government, thick with social programs, which frankly, I would rather have my money go to than, say boeing or Haliburton, but never-the-less, we will be individually poorer because you can’t get to where Barack wants to go without more taxes, or more money from us. He doesn’t want to strike a balance, he wants to even the score, there’s a difference, and I’m not sure he sees it. All that said, he will get my vote because I think at some point he WILL see how important that balance is and do his best to make it right. McCain/Palin don’t have a chance in hell of seeing that forest for its’ trees. ---
**Author:** ![Captain\_Carrot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/f0a364/32.png) [@Captain\_Carrot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Captain_Carrot)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2008, 3:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/aint-really-said-it-before-sayin-it-now-i-fucking-told-you-so/470544/79 "2008-11-02T15:43:37Z")
> [@Scylla](#): > > From my perspective things are looking pretty good. In spite of 8 years of Democratic doomspeak we’re kicking ass so well, that security and our foreign engagements aren’t even election issues They would be if the economy hadn’t recently gone down the shitter. People care less about overseas adventures when they’re worrying intensely about their paychecks and houses (and yes, I know a lot of people aren’t worried about that, but many are). ---
**Author:** ![The\_Tao\_s\_Revenge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/73ab20/32.png) [@The\_Tao\_s\_Revenge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Tao_s_Revenge)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2008, 4:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/aint-really-said-it-before-sayin-it-now-i-fucking-told-you-so/470544/80 "2008-11-02T16:03:00Z")
> [@Captain\_Carrot](#): > > They would be if the economy hadn’t recently gone down the shitter. People care less about overseas adventures when they’re worrying intensely about their paychecks and houses (and yes, I know a lot of people aren’t worried about that, but many are). Republicans: “you want something to worry about? We’ll GIVE you something to worry about!” [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/aint-really-said-it-before-sayin-it-now-i-fucking-told-you-so/470544.md?page=3) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/aint-really-said-it-before-sayin-it-now-i-fucking-told-you-so/470544.md?page=5)