# Ain't really said it before... sayin' it now: I fucking told you so. **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [November 1, 2008, 5:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/aint-really-said-it-before-sayin-it-now-i-fucking-told-you-so/470544 "2008-11-01T05:32:48Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![Merijeek](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f05b48/32.png) [@Merijeek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Merijeek)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2008, 4:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/aint-really-said-it-before-sayin-it-now-i-fucking-told-you-so/470544/81 "2008-11-02T16:06:15Z")
> [@The\_Tao\_s\_Revenge](#): > > Republicans: “you want something to worry about? We’ll GIVE you something to worry about!” Ahh…just like dear old mom. “If you don’t stop crying, I’ll GIVE you something to cry about!” -Joe ---
**Author:** ![Rand\_Rover](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/db5fbb/32.png) [@Rand\_Rover](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rand_Rover)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2008, 4:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/aint-really-said-it-before-sayin-it-now-i-fucking-told-you-so/470544/82 "2008-11-02T16:06:49Z")
> [@Merijeek](#): > > Wow, we haven’t even had the election and already some fucking retard is going for “But Obama…”. > > -Joe Huh? The OP is crowing about predicting some vague notion of “ruin,” so I thought I’d do the same thing and cover my bases by issuing the same prediction for both candidates. I guess in your world having the temerity to not acknowledge Obama’s divinity makes one a “fucking retard.” ---
**Author:** ![Merijeek](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f05b48/32.png) [@Merijeek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Merijeek)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2008, 4:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/aint-really-said-it-before-sayin-it-now-i-fucking-told-you-so/470544/83 "2008-11-02T16:17:56Z")
> [@Rand\_Rover](#): > > Huh? The OP is crowing about predicting some vague notion of “ruin,” so I thought I’d do the same thing and cover my bases by issuing the same prediction for both candidates. > > I guess in your world having the temerity to not acknowledge Obama’s divinity makes one a “fucking retard.” So, you predict both sides and that makes you all prescient? You are a fucking retard. I’m sorry it comes as a shock. Don’t forget to wear your helmet, Corky. -Joe ---
**Author:** ![Rand\_Rover](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/db5fbb/32.png) [@Rand\_Rover](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rand_Rover)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2008, 4:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/aint-really-said-it-before-sayin-it-now-i-fucking-told-you-so/470544/84 "2008-11-02T16:57:09Z")
> [@Merijeek](#): > > So, you predict both sides and that makes you all prescient? You are a fucking retard. I’m sorry it comes as a shock. Don’t forget to wear your helmet, Corky. > > -Joe So Stoid predicts some vague notion of “ruin” and that makes Stoid all prescient? That’s all I was saying with my original post. You need to get ahold of yourself. ---
**Author:** ![waterj2](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/858c86/32.png) [@waterj2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/waterj2)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2008, 5:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/aint-really-said-it-before-sayin-it-now-i-fucking-told-you-so/470544/85 "2008-11-02T17:45:17Z")
> [@wring](#): > > **waterj2** -I’ll admit I tensed up when I saw your name, but your post surprised me. good on you. I’d like to think that even back then, I was pretty civil, and it’s not like I was ever a Bush supporter, just a conservative-leaning Libertarian. These days, I tend more towards left-liberalism, with a bunch of libertarian tendencies tossed in. Something about not being a 22 year old college student whose theories have yet to be contradicted by real life anymore. I do kinda miss having all the answers, though… ---
**Author:** ![Stoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/stoid/32/272_2.png) [@Stoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stoid)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2008, 9:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/aint-really-said-it-before-sayin-it-now-i-fucking-told-you-so/470544/86 "2008-11-02T21:39:09Z")
> [@waterj2](#): > > I’d like to think that even back then, I was pretty civil, and it’s not like I was ever a Bush supporter, just a conservative-leaning Libertarian. These days, I tend more towards left-liberalism, with a bunch of libertarian tendencies tossed in. Something about not being a 22 year old college student whose theories have yet to be contradicted by real life anymore. I do kinda miss having all the answers, though… My recollection is that you were indeed always civil and reasonable. And sane. ---
**Author:** ![wring](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/838e76/32.png) [@wring](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wring)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2008, 12:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/aint-really-said-it-before-sayin-it-now-i-fucking-told-you-so/470544/87 "2008-11-03T00:49:09Z")
> [@waterj2](#): > > I’d like to think that even back then, I was pretty civil, and it’s not like I was ever a Bush supporter, just a conservative-leaning Libertarian. These days, I tend more towards left-liberalism, with a bunch of libertarian tendencies tossed in. Something about not being a 22 year old college student whose theories have yet to be contradicted by real life anymore. I do kinda miss having all the answers, though… tensed 'cause I seemed to recall strong disagreements. But frankly folks have work pretty hard to get on my “I remember you as being an asshole” list (and political persusion isn’t a pre-req) Re: the 22 yr old know it all gig- yea, I remember being real deep back in college. So I feel yr pain. ---
**Author:** ![wring](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/838e76/32.png) [@wring](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wring)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2008, 12:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/aint-really-said-it-before-sayin-it-now-i-fucking-told-you-so/470544/88 "2008-11-03T00:58:09Z")
:smack: Sheesh- clarification- **waterj2** is/was not on my ‘asshole’ list - in case it mattered to ya. ---
**Author:** ![xenophon41](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/xenophon41/32/253_2.png) [@xenophon41](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/xenophon41)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2008, 1:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/aint-really-said-it-before-sayin-it-now-i-fucking-told-you-so/470544/89 "2008-11-03T01:25:08Z")
> [@Stoid](#): > > My recollection is that you were indeed always civil and reasonable. And sane. And articulate and considerate. And a fine role model for how to disagree respectfully. And also not one of the folks I remember arguing against reality based politics, so probably not one who needs to hear “I told you so.” But there are many who do need to hear it, so say it loud, sister. (And I wish we’d been wrong.) ---
**Author:** ![Measure\_for\_Measure](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/measure_for_measure/32/557_2.png) [@Measure\_for\_Measure](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Measure_for_Measure)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2008, 6:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/aint-really-said-it-before-sayin-it-now-i-fucking-told-you-so/470544/90 "2008-11-03T06:04:11Z")
Factually speaking, GWBush presided over the first economic expansion where median income actually fell. Even before the worst financial crisis since 1929-1933, the economy sucked. ---
**Author:** ![Mosier](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/7ea924/32.png) [@Mosier](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mosier)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2008, 8:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/aint-really-said-it-before-sayin-it-now-i-fucking-told-you-so/470544/91 "2008-11-03T08:05:36Z")
> [@Clothahump](#): > > Nope. Not even close. His failure to slam the border shut, then round up and run out the illegals in the country is what will haunt him for the rest of his days. Holy freaking Jesus Hussein Christ, you missed the ball so hard I think you’re not even in the right stadium. ---
**Author:** ![buttonjockey308](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/bcef8e/32.png) [@buttonjockey308](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/buttonjockey308)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2008, 1:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/aint-really-said-it-before-sayin-it-now-i-fucking-told-you-so/470544/92 "2008-11-03T13:12:07Z")
> [@Measure\_for\_Measure](#): > > Factually speaking, GWBush presided over the first economic expansion where median income actually fell. > > Even before the worst financial crisis since 1929-1933, the economy sucked. Perhaps, but what does that amount to? ---
**Author:** ![Lust4Life](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/ecc23a/32.png) [@Lust4Life](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lust4Life)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2008, 1:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/aint-really-said-it-before-sayin-it-now-i-fucking-told-you-so/470544/93 "2008-11-04T13:37:42Z")
> [@Stoid](#): > > I was chided…nay, excoriated! for such a prediction, dismissed as a hysteric. In fact, of all the things I’ve ever said around here, I think that one was one of the ones that brought even my fans up short, thinking I was being dramatic. > > . I’ve always been wary about the risk of escoriation,any fucker even TRIES to excoriate me then they’re fucking dead matey… Bastards! ---
**Author:** ![Evil\_Captor](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/f17d59/32.png) [@Evil\_Captor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Evil_Captor)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2008, 2:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/aint-really-said-it-before-sayin-it-now-i-fucking-told-you-so/470544/94 "2008-11-04T14:32:02Z")
> [@buttonjockey308](#): > > Perhaps, but what does that amount to? What Measure for Measure was saying is that even when times were goingwell, he let the wealthy classes rip off the rest of the nation so enthusiastically that median income actually fell. (Income for the top 2 percent went through the roof.) Now we’re having the worst financial crisis since the Great Depression. I translate that as, George Bush and the Republican Party have been total fucking failures at managing the economy – for all eight years for most of us, and for the last six months, for all of us. ---
**Author:** ![lieu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/c2a13f/32.png) [@lieu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lieu)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2008, 2:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/aint-really-said-it-before-sayin-it-now-i-fucking-told-you-so/470544/95 "2008-11-04T14:58:15Z")
I don’t think many expected Bush 43 to be a good president. He was simply the less offensive of two miserable candidates. 50% of the voting public beat you to the “told ya”, **Stoid** , and here you are trying to take credit for your dog’s superior powers of insight into the hearts of men on your effing TV. ---
**Author:** ![buttonjockey308](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/bcef8e/32.png) [@buttonjockey308](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/buttonjockey308)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2008, 3:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/aint-really-said-it-before-sayin-it-now-i-fucking-told-you-so/470544/96 "2008-11-04T15:16:44Z")
> [@Evil\_Captor](#): > > What Measure for Measure was saying is that even when times were goingwell, he let the wealthy classes rip off the rest of the nation so enthusiastically that median income actually fell. (Income for the top 2 percent went through the roof.) Now we’re having the worst financial crisis since the Great Depression. I translate that as, George Bush and the Republican Party have been total fucking failures at managing the economy – for all eight years for most of us, and for the last six months, for all of us. Oh, is THAT what he meant. Well in that case…Bullshit. He didn’t LET anyone DO anything. He doesn’t have the power. What we’re experiencing is a two-fold problem with the darkest side of capitalism. First, in a free market economy the stooges with the coins make the rules, second, the people least able to pay are most put upon to do so. (i.e. bad/no credit=high interest rate=inability to pay or afford goods and/or services). We wanted big houses and big mortgages with small monthly payments, no credit checks and no money down. The banks wanted to give us these things because that meant THEY would make money. It was, as the tech bubble, a false foundation that gave way right before the election. This, I predict, is why the Democrats will win in a landslide. I will also predict that the Democrats aren’t going to be able to fix this mess in four years and may actually screw it up worse before it gets better. As far as sky-high executive salaries, as bullshit as it seems to pay the execs more while the little guy starves, that’s the nature of the beast. You can’t have a free market like the republicans want because shit like this happens, you can’t have a big regulatory body controlling your businesses because they can’t compete in the world market. Obama doesn’t have the answer, neither, obviously does Bush, but this particular debacle isn’t on his head, at least not alone. ---
**Author:** ![gonzomax](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e8c25b/32.png) [@gonzomax](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gonzomax)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2008, 3:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/aint-really-said-it-before-sayin-it-now-i-fucking-told-you-so/470544/97 "2008-11-04T15:30:10Z")
> [@Rand\_Rover](#): > > I don’t think I’m either. I’m not a knee-jerk conservative, I’m just fiscally conservative (i.e., I want small government) and I think the Republicans still are the more fiscally conservative party even though they may no longer be all that fiscally conservative on an objective basis. I also don’t take positions that I don’t believe in just to get a rise out of people (which is what I think a troll does–some people use that term just to mean a person on a message board they don’t like, and I guess I do fit this latter definition for you). > > Also, don’t know if you saw it, but in some thread a guy cited your grandpa’s vote for McCain as evidence that some black people can’t stomach the thought of a black president because it goes against their view of the social order or some shit, and I posted saying that your grandpa was voting for McCain because of his view on abortion. So next time you see grandpa tell him you told the guy that stood up for him to fuck off. You want small government yet you vote republican. Do you not pay any attention to what they do as opposed to what they say. They always make government bigger and more expensive. They greatly increase the national debt yet convince people they are fiscal conservatives. If I wanted a smaller weaker federal government ,the repubs would not be my choice. ---
**Author:** ![Rand\_Rover](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/db5fbb/32.png) [@Rand\_Rover](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rand_Rover)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2008, 3:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/aint-really-said-it-before-sayin-it-now-i-fucking-told-you-so/470544/98 "2008-11-04T15:46:39Z")
> [@gonzomax](#): > > You want small government yet you vote republican. Do you not pay any attention to what they do as opposed to what they say. They always make government bigger and more expensive. They greatly increase the national debt yet convince people they are fiscal conservatives. If I wanted a smaller weaker federal government ,the repubs would not be my choice. I’ve asked at least three times on these boards for someone to argue that Obama is the better chice for someone who wants small government and so far no one has taken up the challenge. Polls close in 8 hours or so, so get cracking if you want to be the first. Also, note that I want small government, not just fiscally responsible government (that is, I want low government spending on an absolute basis, not just when compared with tax revenue). ---
**Author:** ![Shodan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9f8e36/32.png) [@Shodan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shodan)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2008, 4:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/aint-really-said-it-before-sayin-it-now-i-fucking-told-you-so/470544/99 "2008-11-04T16:30:57Z")
> [@Rand\_Rover](#): > > I’ve asked at least three times on these boards for someone to argue that Obama is the better chice for someone who wants small government and so far no one has taken up the challenge. Because Bush sux. Any questions? 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Tom\_Scud](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/f08c70/32.png) [@Tom\_Scud](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tom_Scud)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2008, 5:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/aint-really-said-it-before-sayin-it-now-i-fucking-told-you-so/470544/100 "2008-11-04T17:07:42Z")
> [@Rand\_Rover](#): > > I’ve asked at least three times on these boards for someone to argue that Obama is the better chice for someone who wants small government and so far no one has taken up the challenge. Polls close in 8 hours or so, so get cracking if you want to be the first. Also, note that I want small government, not just fiscally responsible government (that is, I want low government spending on an absolute basis, not just when compared with tax revenue). War is the health of the state, and the only thing that McCain has consistently believed in over the years is that America should get involved in more foreign wars. Though I’ve no great faith in Obama ratcheting down our military (or even slowing its growth), he’s much more likely to do so than McCain. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/aint-really-said-it-before-sayin-it-now-i-fucking-told-you-so/470544.md?page=4) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/aint-really-said-it-before-sayin-it-now-i-fucking-told-you-so/470544.md?page=6)