# Ain't that a shame - Pat Boone on evolution **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [January 31, 2007, 10:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/aint-that-a-shame-pat-boone-on-evolution/390337 "2007-01-31T22:39:12Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Jackmannii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jackmannii/32/311_2.png) [@Jackmannii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jackmannii)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2007, 10:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/aint-that-a-shame-pat-boone-on-evolution/390337/1 "2007-01-31T22:39:12Z")
The [Master](http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=53967) speaks. Fallacies and straw men abound. I used to think Pat would chiefly be remembered for emasculating and bowdlerizing good blues/rock songs. It looks like he’s trying to replace that legacy with one of Fundamentalist Dolt. _"Did his IQ leak out his ears? "_ Apparently so. :dubious: ---
**Author:** ![Terrifel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/c68b51/32.png) [@Terrifel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Terrifel)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2007, 1:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/aint-that-a-shame-pat-boone-on-evolution/390337/2 "2007-02-01T01:18:30Z")
It’s kind of amazing in a way to see creationism articulated \*even more superficially \* than it is by professional creationist outlets like ICR. Evidently this article’s the first in a series; I hope Pat is able to maintain the level of ironclad rhetoric that he demonstrates with the potato chip analogy. Honestly, it’s probably a good thing Pat’s on the side of creationism, because I hate to imagine him trying to defend evolution. The ads on WorldNetDaily are like a slideshow of my uncle’s mind, except with less profanity. ---
**Author:** ![Caridwen](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/c89c15/32.png) [@Caridwen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Caridwen)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2007, 1:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/aint-that-a-shame-pat-boone-on-evolution/390337/3 "2007-02-01T01:27:12Z")
I love how they have a picture of him when he’s about 30 years old. He’s about 130 now. ---
**Author:** ![Darryl\_Lict](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/7cd45c/32.png) [@Darryl\_Lict](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Darryl_Lict)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2007, 6:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/aint-that-a-shame-pat-boone-on-evolution/390337/4 "2007-02-01T06:56:46Z")
Poor Pat. I will have forgotten his legacy as a mediocre crooner of inconsequential pablum. His new legacy is creationist fucktard who can’t properly regurgitate antiscientific babble. He’s old though. Looking back I guess **Terrifel** said the same thing. Wasn’t his daughter sort of hot about 30 years ago? ---
**Author:** ![LouisB](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/dfb087/32.png) [@LouisB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LouisB)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2007, 11:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/aint-that-a-shame-pat-boone-on-evolution/390337/5 "2007-02-01T11:39:17Z")
I’ve despised him ever since I heard him (try to) sing _Hearts of Stone_ back in the 1950s. I think his daughter had a hit with _You Are The Wind Beneath My Wings_ although that might have been the refrain and not the actual title. ---
**Author:** ![Revtim](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/revtim/32/1042_2.png) [@Revtim](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Revtim)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2007, 1:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/aint-that-a-shame-pat-boone-on-evolution/390337/6 "2007-02-01T13:53:55Z")
[QUOTE=LouisB] I think his daughter had a hit with _You Are The Wind Beneath My Wings_ although that might have been the refrain and not the actual title. [/QUOTE] You might be thinking of “You Light Up My Life” ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2007, 2:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/aint-that-a-shame-pat-boone-on-evolution/390337/7 "2007-02-01T14:25:27Z")
Moving thread from IMHO to BBQ Pit. ---
**Author:** ![Giles](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/giles/32/60_2.png) [@Giles](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Giles)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2007, 2:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/aint-that-a-shame-pat-boone-on-evolution/390337/8 "2007-02-01T14:35:38Z")
[QUOTE=Caridwen] I love how they have a picture of him when he’s about 30 years old. He’s about 130 now. [/QUOTE] [He’s 72](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pat_Boone), but what’s 58 years between friends? But he seemed ultraconservative to me back in the 50s, and he’s obviously still ultrtaconservative, so I’m not sure that this makes him much more ridiculous. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2007, 2:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/aint-that-a-shame-pat-boone-on-evolution/390337/9 "2007-02-01T14:36:08Z")
His album of covers of heavy metal went lead. ---
**Author:** ![Electrical\_Storm](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/ac8455/32.png) [@Electrical\_Storm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Electrical_Storm)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2007, 2:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/aint-that-a-shame-pat-boone-on-evolution/390337/10 "2007-02-01T14:38:14Z")
Wait, wait, Pat Boone went heavy metal about ten years ago. He’s still cool! He was freakin’ out the establishment, man! 😃 [“No More Mr. Nice Guy”](http://www.showbuzz.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/11/30/music/main2221267.shtml??source=RSS&attr=_2221267) The creationist crap he’s giving out - well, no surprise there. But he messed up some of the best heavy metal tracks around - now \*that’s \* offensive! 😃 Edited to add: I just bothered to read the caption under his mug shot on the site - he has no plans to quit performing! Skreeeech! :eek: ---
**Author:** ![h.sapiens](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/e0b2c6/32.png) [@h.sapiens](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/h.sapiens)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2007, 2:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/aint-that-a-shame-pat-boone-on-evolution/390337/11 "2007-02-01T14:45:01Z")
This quote, referring to scientists, is deliciously ironic: “If humans want to prove some theory, no matter how farfetched and self-serving, they will inevitably find some ‘evidence’ that they can wedge into their theory.” Can he really not see how that applies even more appropriately to people of his own ilk? Jackass. ---
**Author:** ![tdn](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/94ad74/32.png) [@tdn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tdn)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2007, 2:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/aint-that-a-shame-pat-boone-on-evolution/390337/12 "2007-02-01T14:50:23Z")
Pretty sad, his claim that evolutionists start out with a preconceived notion and then cherry-pick evidence to support it. Because almighty God knows, creationists never do that. ---
**Author:** ![tdn](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/94ad74/32.png) [@tdn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tdn)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2007, 2:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/aint-that-a-shame-pat-boone-on-evolution/390337/13 "2007-02-01T14:52:12Z")
You beat me to it, **h.sapiens**. Fundie creationists are really accomplished at projection. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2007, 4:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/aint-that-a-shame-pat-boone-on-evolution/390337/14 "2007-02-01T16:09:22Z")
> [@](#): > > “If humans want to prove some theory, no matter how farfetched and self-serving, they will inevitably find some ‘evidence’ that they can wedge into their theory.” There’s a case of the rice calling the snow white. (This is Pat Boone - pots and kettles just don’t work as a metaphor.) ---
**Author:** ![KarlGauss](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/karlgauss/32/3713_2.png) [@KarlGauss](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/KarlGauss)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2007, 4:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/aint-that-a-shame-pat-boone-on-evolution/390337/15 "2007-02-01T16:18:55Z")
[QUOTE=Jackmannii] ". . . transitional post [/QUOTE] 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Jackmannii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jackmannii/32/311_2.png) [@Jackmannii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jackmannii)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2007, 4:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/aint-that-a-shame-pat-boone-on-evolution/390337/16 "2007-02-01T16:22:04Z")
[QUOTE=Czarcasm] Moving thread from IMHO to BBQ Pit. [/QUOTE] Goddammit, Pat Boone is too inconsequential to be Pitted! Initial forum selection actually was a tossup between IMHO and MPSIMS. > [@LouisB](#): > > I think his daughter had a hit with You Are The Wind Beneath My Wings although that might have been the refrain and not the actual title. I believe you are thinking of Bette Midler, which is unfortunate in its own right. It still has never been proved to my satisfaction that Pat Boone and Dick Clark are not the same person. ---
**Author:** ![tdn](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/94ad74/32.png) [@tdn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tdn)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2007, 4:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/aint-that-a-shame-pat-boone-on-evolution/390337/17 "2007-02-01T16:26:30Z")
[QUOTE=Jackmannii] It still has never been proved to my satisfaction that Pat Boone and Dick Clark are not the same person. [/QUOTE] Dick Clark deserves a pat on the back. Pat Boone is a dick. Clearer now? ---
**Author:** ![Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/8edcca/32.png) [@Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hentor_the_Barbarian)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2007, 4:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/aint-that-a-shame-pat-boone-on-evolution/390337/18 "2007-02-01T16:29:47Z")
Whenever I think of Pat Boone, the first thing that comes to mind is his “dick in a box” picture that was going around the tubes of the internets a while back. Never let a picture of yourself with your dick in a box be taken. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2007, 4:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/aint-that-a-shame-pat-boone-on-evolution/390337/19 "2007-02-01T16:37:42Z")
How could anyone ook at the fossil record and say this? > [@](#): > > As a real scientist, he looked again at what he’d gullibly accepted in college. And, examining the prevalent claim that life “evolved” from molecule to man by a series of biological baby steps, tiny mutations over millions of years, he realized there is no historical evidence for that claim. He writes, “Millions upon millions of fossils have been collected to date, but there is no evidence of transition fossils, that is, fossils of organisms in an intermediate stage of development between steps on the evolutionary ladder.” > > Had you thought about that? If all life on this planet were actually in a process of “evolution,” would every species evolve in lock step, regardless of different environments? Or wouldn’t there be all the intermediate steps still in evidence, at various places around the globe? Wouldn’t there be plenty of evolving apes, tending toward homo sapiens, in the jungles and rain forests, possibly developing verbal skills and capable of elementary math and reasoning? > > None such. Ever. Nada. Apes have always been apes, and humans always human (though some of us less so than others). Well, it’s obvious. That person did not, in fact, look at the fossil record. There are dozens and dozens of “intermediate” species in the fossil record. Hell, the human lineage is one of the best examples out there. “Apes have always been apes” is an absurd statement on the face of it. An ape is whatever we define it to be. Many of the extinct species that we call “apes” would not look much like an ape to anyone alive today. We put them in that category because they fit there by some definition, not because they are obviously in that category instead of being in the category we call “monkey”. ---
**Author:** ![LouisB](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/dfb087/32.png) [@LouisB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LouisB)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2007, 4:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/aint-that-a-shame-pat-boone-on-evolution/390337/20 "2007-02-01T16:42:38Z")
[QUOTE=Revtim] You might be thinking of “You Light Up My Life” [/QUOTE] Absolutely; getting old and senile is terrible; some days I can barely remember my name. [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/aint-that-a-shame-pat-boone-on-evolution/390337.md?page=2)